Win 1897 or Clone?

Wandering Man · April 21, 2008, 03:29:41 PM

I've started looking for a shotgun for SASS, and I was wondering about just buying an original Win 1897.

How well do these hold up in competition? Or are they too old and fragile?

What/where do you go if or when something breaks?

Most that I see on line have 30" barrel. I noticed Norinco's have a 20" barrel. Do I keep looking for an original with the 20" barrel, or do find a smith to take some of the barrel off.

Thanks,

WM

boot strap jack · April 27, 2008, 01:07:58 AM

Get the IAC 97 newer steel and cheaper. Stay away from cai 97 not as well built loose tolerances.

Wandering Man · April 27, 2008, 07:45:12 AM

Thanks for the reply. The only clone I've had the opportunity to see so far was made by Norinco.

Who are IAC and CAI?

WM

Texas Lawdog · April 27, 2008, 10:06:47 AM

Most original 97s have the 30 inch barrel. The 20 inch ones are too valuable, sepecially if they are a trench gun. I have an Norinco that I have had completely smoothed up and it will feed hulls and works fine. The sear is the weak point on a 97. You nrrd to keep a spare with you at a match.

boot strap jack · April 27, 2008, 11:35:44 PM

I think the IAC is made by norinco, maybe wrong?

Wandering Man · April 28, 2008, 07:54:35 AM

So are all Win 97 clones made by Norinco?

WM

Camille Eonich · April 28, 2008, 11:16:48 AM

CAI is Century Arms International but I can't find anything out about a '97 clone from them. I do believe that all of the clones are made in China so that's the best reason to go with an orginal.

If you find a good one for a good price don't worry about the barrel being too long. Just get it cut off. If you're going to use it in CAS then it's not going to keep any value that it might have anyway. Find a good '97 smith to go through it for you and slick it up. You would have to do that with a Norinco anyway. The Noriincos are ugly, ugly too.

Ten Wolves Fiveshooter · April 28, 2008, 12:20:44 PM

Howdy Pards & Pard-eets

The CAI's, are sold here in California by Big-Five Sporting Goods, they also sell it as an 1893/1897. I picked up a real nice
IAC, 1897 from Walker47, which is strong , put together well and looks dang nice, it also comes with a walnut stock, and a large brass bead front site, I got mine in 12 gage with a 20 " barrel. I'll try to post a picture of it later. Here it is I couldn't fine one by it's self this is my IAC, 1897, and my TTN SXS, both in 12 gage, both these guns are rock solid and hard working guns.

tEN wOLVES

boot strap jack · May 03, 2008, 02:47:58 AM

Well I did not follow my own advise. Just bought a winchester 97 that has been gone through. I could not walk away for the price asked.

BSJ

Wandering Man · May 03, 2008, 07:45:01 AM

Quote from: boot strap jack on May 03, 2008, 02:47:58 AM
Well I did not follow my own advise. Just bought a winchester 97 that has been gone through. I could not walk away for the price asked.
BSJ

Let us know how it works out.

WM

Camille Eonich · May 30, 2008, 10:49:29 AM

Quote from: boot strap jack on May 03, 2008, 02:47:58 AM
Well I did not follow my own advise. Just bought a winchester 97 that has been gone through. I could not walk away for the price asked.
BSJ

I love my Winchesters.

boot strap jack · May 31, 2008, 10:25:15 PM

It has been here for awhile and just was playing with it today I think it is a keeper. All these years has made it nice and smooth. It is a take down, thought It was a std. but it is tight. Will probably shorten the barrel, but I will wait and see how it does. Yes it has been worked on by a sass smith? Don't know for sure, as I have not opened it up. It is smoother than my kaniaun chiniase one.
BSJ

Camille Eonich · June 05, 2008, 12:38:16 PM

The thing about having a shorter barrel comes in when you're shooting through windows and such. It just adds seconds to your time when you have to shove all that barrel through a window and adds even more when you have to pull it back through. It can also be a hindrance in situations where you have to go around stuff or if you're moving through train cars and narrow places.

Something to think about.

Get you some back up ejectors and keep them in a tool box that goes to the range with you. It doesn't hurt to keep a left side extractor close by either.

Have you started practicing with it yet? How are you going to load, over the top or from the right? Get good habits from the get go. When you are shooting a '97 it shouldn't come down off your shoulder until you're done shooting it. You shouldn't have to look at it to load it either it should be automatic. Get the stock fit to you. From your avatar it doesn't look as though that's going to be a problem for you though. My stock is down to about 12" now I think.

If you make dummy shells to practice with get some shells that are some color that you will never ever have live ones in that color. My practice rounds are lavendar.

Tionesta Toby · July 10, 2008, 09:46:18 PM

Quote from: Camille Eonich on June 05, 2008, 12:38:16 PM
If you make dummy shells to practice with get some shells that are some color that you will never ever have live ones in that color. My practice rounds are lavendar.

If, like me, you aren't interested in do-it-yourself, you can buy dummy rounds for various calibers & gauges from Brownells. In May I got a package of 5 12-ga dummies for $7.95 and a package of 5 - .45 Colt dummies for $9.95. Not cheap, certainly, but not all that expensive, either.