A question....

[jake1964]

I don't know if this is this proper place for this, but here goes. 
On page 295 of Ron Harris' book, "All about Cowboy Action Shooting", there is a photo of what appears to be a pair of shotgun chaps that button all the way down the outside of the leg.
The picture only shows from the knee down, so it is possible that they are pants rather than chaps. Does anyone know who makes these or have any other information on them?
I'll scan the picture and see if I can attach it.

[Major 2]

Those are Charo's or Charo Chaps typically Mexican they were fit tight from the upper the thigh & full length buttoned down the leg.
Often allowed to be open at the boot, similar to the way Bota's ( 1/2 length & tied or buttoned above the calf ) are worn.

There is a source today, though most are zippered...
I have a period correct pattern for Bota's which I prefer as cooler and correct for the Florida Cow Hunting era and early Texicans.

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

I don't know if this is this proper place for this, but here goes. 
On page 295 of Ron Harris' book, "All about Cowboy Action Shooting", there is a photo of what appears to be a pair of shotgun chaps that button all the way down the outside of the leg.
The picture only shows from the knee down, so it is possible that they are pants rather than chaps. Does anyone know who makes these or have any other information on them?
I'll scan the picture and see if I can attach it.

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[ChuckBurrows]

With respect but those are not chaps of any kind, but rather a type pf pants - calzoneras is the Mexican name for them - they were/are made both in cloth and buckskin as these are (those look like brain tan which the originals were most often made of when leather was used). Not sure who or if anyone  is making them, but Tombstone Outfitters carries a pattern for them. They are a southwestern/Mexican style of pants that goes back to at least the 17th Century. They were usually worn with thin, white cotton full length drawers underneath - the higher class ones often had fancy edges to show through the area(s) left unbuttoned. The Buffalo Hunters and Scouts Sketchbook, by Hanson (available from the Museum of the Fur Trade www.furtrade.org as well as several other vendors), shows several pairs and if one is good at making patterns from such sketches it is a good source.
As for botas (full name botas de ala which translates to "winged boots") - Crazy Crow Trading post is now carrying a botas kit that looks good - also I make them and you can see several pairs on my website. Original Botas came in several different styles so there is no single correct pattern (my pattern is based on several pairs of originals)....

[ChuckBurrows]

Here's a circa 1870's California vaquero wearing both calzoneras and botas...

[Major 2]

Chuck , I bow to your knowledge,
one is never to old to learn

I have for 35 years known the style I describe as Charos, The pants you describe as calzoneras are distinctive and you are spot on correct.
In fact I have stolen your print as my new screen saver.

here is the style I described , they button under the tooled fringed closure


I would gladly share my botas de ala pattern, taken from a set in the collection at Jefferson barracks.

Thank you for the education

[ChuckBurrows]

Howdy Major -
Now those are definitely charro style chaparejos!
I'd like to see you botas pattern - besides the originals I've examined, there are patterns in the Mtn Men Sketchbooks and in the Buffalo Hunters I mentioned above..

[Major 2]

Howdy Major -
Now those are definitely charro style chaparejos!
I'd like to see you botas pattern - besides the originals I've examined, there are patterns in the Mtn Men Sketchbooks and in the Buffalo Hunters I mentioned above..

you got it... first chance I get, (kinda busy at work this week ) I'll trace mine and send the pattern to you..
mine are Mule dear hide single button with woven (red & Black) wool ties.

you want it mailed ?

By the by , I Have Hansons Sketch book ... I used some of his idea's to make my dear skin coat ( that was a project ! )

[Mogorilla]

Hey Major,
If possible, could you scan the pattern (not to scale) and post it.  If I have a decent drawing with measurements, its all I need and it could be shared across the board.   I belive Chuck did this at one point.

[Trinity]

I don't know if this is this proper place for this, but here goes. 
On page 295 of Ron Harris' book, "All about Cowboy Action Shooting", there is a photo of what appears to be a pair of shotgun chaps that button all the way down the outside of the leg.
The picture only shows from the knee down, so it is possible that they are pants rather than chaps. Does anyone know who makes these or have any other information on them?
I'll scan the picture and see if I can attach it.

If you are interested in pair of pants instead of chaps, Hamilton Dry Goods sells something very similar.  I have personally never seen them, and cannot attest to their state of PC, but they look nice on the website:

http://www.hamiltondrygoods.com/Vacaro.htm

[Dr. Bob]

They are a Mexican style pant that goes back to at least the mid 1840's.  Worn with white drawers that show when the legs are unbuttoned, usually to about just below the knee.  Would be Vaquero pants and usually worn with a short waisted "bolero" jacket with braid sewed in pleasing patterns.  See the Time/Life West series, the Mexicans.

[ChuckBurrows]

Dr Bob - I keep reading that 19th Century dating for calzoneras (some say they were based on the Hungarian Hussars pants), but they go back further - here's a pic from 1791 - note the buttons along the side seam (I've also seen earlier references but can't find them now):


Major 2 -

you got it... first chance I get, (kinda busy at work this week ) I'll trace mine and send the pattern to you..
mine are Mule dear hide single button with woven (red & Black) wool ties.
you want it mailed ?

Been up to my ears in gators - thank you - you can mail to
Chuck Burrows
289 La Posta Cnyn Rd
Durango, CO 81303-9005
and yep coats can be a fun but a bear also- I pretty much refuse to make them anymore - I overstress on making them fit right - I do have one in the works though for a compadre - an 1830-40's Delaware coat along the lines of this one:

it will be out of brain tan and beaded.....

[HorsePen Henry]

    He'll be one lucky son of a gun. I bet he'll appreciate a fine coat like that 'un. That sure is pretty.


X Horse Pen

[Dr. Bob]

Howdy Chuck,

Thanks for the info.  I was pretty sure that they pre-dated the 1840's, but had never looked for earlier documentation.