Taylor's Remington Conversion takes a percussion cylinder?

[Cimarron Lawman]

Didn't someone post here last year that the new Taylor's conversion is a cartridge-only gun? That is, because of a higher bore axis, you can't stick a Uberti percussion cylinder in the gun and have the chambers line up with the forcing cone.

Well, Taylor's shows a percussion cylinder with the gun:
http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/products/cfRemingtonConversion.tpl

I'm confused.

[Cimarron Lawman]

Ah, here it is. Check out the third post.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,14847.0.html

[Marshal Will Wingam]

I understand that the initial advertising was going to include both, but no one I know has ever seen a percussion cylinder for them. I can understand the reasoning. The bore is for 45 Colt. not .44 BP. The bore size for the .45 is smaller and could cause problems with ball size. In addition, eventually someone would accidentally try the wrong cylinder and get really hurt due to the mis-alignment of the cylinder to the bore. If there aren't any percussion cylinders available, no one will be looking to try it.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

What's the difference between .451 and .451, give or take a coupla "thou"?

[Abilene]

The problem is not related to bore size.  Bore for .44 percussion and 45LC is the same, that's why you can buy a Kirst or R&D conversion cylinder for a .44 and it works fine.

I don't know about the Taylors '58 conversions but I do know about the Cimarron models, and I suspect it is probably the same scenario.  As you know, the conversions have a larger frame opening and larger cylinder than the standard Uberti '58 cap'n'ball guns, to work better for a six shot 45LC.  The guns are received from Uberti with the cartridge cylinder installed and fit to the gun.  Percussion cylinders for this model have also been received from Uberti.  This percussion cylinder is also larger than the cylinders that come in the cap'n'ball guns and is not interchangeable with those percussion-only guns.  The problem is that the percussion cylinders have not been fitted to the guns, and from what I've seen takes a LOT of work to get one fitted and have both percussion and cartridge cylinders work properly.  So the percussion cylinders are usually not shipped with the guns.  They sit in bins in the parts department.  I think Sportsman's Warehouse has some with both cylinders, but the percussion cylinder was not fitted.  I would think you might be able to get your hands on one of these percussion cylinders but like I said getting it fitted to the gun so both cylinders work might be a pain and might void your warranty.  When the guns were being hyped before becoming available the dual cylinder option was being mentioned, but when they showed up the reality took over.  That's the way it is at Cimarron, don't know for sure if Taylors has also received the larger percussion cylinders from Uberti or not.

[Major 2]

Abaline & Will  are about spot on...
I have one of the Taylor imported Forged Frame Remy conversion... did not come with a Percussion cyl.

If you call and speak to Sue or Pam they will explain the advertising on-line for Taylor's has not been updated.

[Tjackstephens]

I bought one of the 58's in 45 colt 5 inch. There was no other cylinder with it or no information to order one. It is a great revolver and I really like it. I use it and my 66 yellowboy in 45 colt when shooting working cowboy. The last two shoots I shot clean. I understand you can buy it in several calibers and also an 8 inch model. TJ

[Deadeye Don]

I will stick with my Pietta 58 with RandD cylinder in 45 colt.

[Tjackstephens]

I have been told that the 58 Taylor's Remington Conversion is a true copy of the one Remington made. It was really a complete new revolver for centerfire. Does anyone know if this is true? TJ  

[Deadeye Don]

I have been told that the 58 Taylor's Remington Conversion is a true copy of the one Remington made. It was really a complete new revolver for centerfire. Does anyone know if this is true? TJ  

Seems to me that I read a review in Shoot or Guns of the Old West that indicated the Taylor Remington  Conversion is not a reproduction of a real gun,  but dont quote me on that, I will search my records.

[Major 2]

I have been told that the 58 Taylor's Remington Conversion is a true copy of the one Remington made. It was really a complete new revolver for centerfire. Does anyone know if this is true? TJ  

yes and no... it is a thick plate conversion ...The thick plate design was use on the smaller Navy revolver.
The so called thin plate was use on the 44 Army Frame... however examples of thick plates on Army Frames exist though made in small numbers, I've seen a photo one example.

[Fox Creek Kid]

I was under the impression that all Remington FACTORY .44 conversions were thin plate. Maybe someone with the Roger Phillips book will chime in here. Col. Flashman, are you there?

[Oldelm]

In Roger Phillips book , on page 71, it states....

"In rare instances conversion rings, usually with loading gates hinged to them, rather than thin backing-plates occupied the space between cylinder and squared off recoil sheild face. Examples occuring in non-Remington factory conversions are pictured in Figs 35,39,88, and 93"

All those are four examples of the thick back-plate.
Figure 93 is a nice Frank Osgood-altered New Model Army .45 center fire revolver with thick back-plate.

So according to the Phillips book, as far as I can tell, confirms that all the factory conversions were THIN back plate, and the thicker back-plate conversions were non-Remington factory.