Taylor/Cimarron better?

[Stophel]

Are the 58 Remingtons (or 51 navies, or any other) from Taylor's or Cimarron really any higher quality than the ordinary Pietta guns commonly available?  If so, is the quality worth the extra 80 bucks or so?  Is the quality of the guns up to par with the cartridge guns?

Taylor's has a "forged frame" Uberti '58 Remington.  Is this one worth getting over the normal one?  I am interested in quality of manufacture- good design, good materials, good precise execution, not just "finish"...which is just lookin' pretty.

Anybody have a plain one and a Cimarron/Taylor one (particularly the "forged frame" one) and can make a side-by-side comparison?

I'm not too dissatisfied with my Pietta '58 (after quite a bit of work, mechanical and otherwise), but I think I might like another that was higher quality to start out with.  I'm also hankerin' for a '51 Navy, and want to just start out with the best the first time.

[Tuolumne Lawman]

Howdy,

I have the forged frame Taylor's.  Awesome gun!  Out of the box it is well worth the extra over a Pietta. (Piettas are good guns, but the forged f4rame Taylor's has it beat!)  The frame openning is slightly larger, as they use the same frame for their .45 Colt factory conversions. (though the cylinder on the BP won't work in thew 45 Colt.  The barrel is farther from the axis of the cylinder to accomadate the larger 45 Colt cylinder.

The fit and finish, timing, and everything in general is superior on the foged frame.  I also use my with a Kirst converter in 45 Colt/Schofield.

[Major 2]

I answered your similar question in Storm..
but echo TL's opinion here...
I have (actually was TL's) the Forged Frame conversion... It is the first Remington I call my keeper... I've bought and owned to many to count ( for Props ) I defarbed most of them ( removed marking & applied honest wear)
Mostly, I have been talked out of or traded these, even gave a few to actors that carried them....
I just could not manage to keep one....

However, this Conversion was the gun TL wrote his test Article about... we did a trade awhile back and I got it....
aside from a missing ejector spring screw ( probably lost in shipping from TL ) it was just as fine as he states in the Article.
The Screw was acquired from Suzanne Webb of Uberti ( in fact they sent 3 should I lose another ) for just an email.
The guns fit & finish and works flawless , I did however, remove the reddish finish of the grips and refinished to a more pleasing walnut.

[Stophel]

One problem I have with the Pietta is the fairly soft material the frame is made of.  Actually, it's the only real problem that I can't correct.

I had the hammer set up so that it stopped on the frame just a hair short of hitting the nipples (when I first got it, it struck the nipples pretty hard, and even after just a few snaps, it had battered the crap out of the hammer nose...can't have that).  Worked fine, but I saw that even after firing it a couple dozen times, that the hammer had slammed its way forward and had begun touching the nipples.  The hammer was hitting the frame only at the top corners, so it was digging its way in pretty good.  So, I went to file down the frame (and clean up the hammer) so that I got much better contact with the frame and hammer.  I got it to hit the shoulder of the hammer about 2/3rds of the way down, which is all I could do, and a durn sight better than it was before.  Spreading the impact out has to help lessen the impact...basic stuff.  Well, after getting everything set up again, I have snapped the gun many times, and can see that I will likely run into the same thing again...only it will take a bit longer to show up.  The frame steel just isn't up to the task of taking the impact.  Apparently, it's just mild steel, and that's it....which would be fine if the frame were heavily case hardened (which I cannot do, small parts, yes, pistol frames, no).

As I understand it, Uberti uses better/harder/tougher steel for their guns.  Is this so?  It would definitely make them better and that alone would prompt me to make my next purchase an Uberti.