Need help identifying. Uberti 1858 Remington Army?

[Black Jack Shellac]

Just bought this at a flea market. It appears to be a Uberti percussion 1858 Reminton. 8" octagon barrel and what I assume to be .44 cal. The problem being there are no manufacturer markings anywhere on the pistol. The only markings i found were on the butt of the frame under the grips after I removed them. On the butts' left side is what I assume is the serial number 111. I also found this number stamped on the barrel under the cylinder pin. I had to remove the loading lever and cylinder base pin for it to be visible The right side of the butt is marked  nuo VA. Anyone have any ideas?

Also the only way I can get the pistol to go to half-cock or full cock is to push the trigger forward until it latches in the appropriate notch. Did I do something wrong when I re-installed the cylinder or is it broken?
Thanks in advance from a true novice

[The Avocado Kid]

Its not a date code! The gun could have been made by any one of a number of makers. We are starting to see a-lot of guns with no markings or guns with date codes missing,why? My guess would be cutting cost. Here are the Italy date codes for all fire arms by law:  1      1945      XXVI      1970         BF      1995
2      1946      XX7      1971         BH      1996
3      1947      XX8      1972         BI      1997
4      1948      XX9      1973         BL      1998
5      1949      XXX      1974         BM      1999
6      1950      AA      1975         BN      2000
7      1951      AB      1976         BP      2001
8      1952      AC      1977         BS      2002
9      1953      AD      1978         BT      2003
X      1954      AE      1979         BU      2004
XI      1955      AF      1980         BZ      2005
XII      1956      AH      1981         CA      2006
XIII      1957      AI      1982         CB      2007
XIV      1958      AL      1983         CC      2008
XV      1959      AM      1984         CD      2009
XVI      1960      AN      1985         CE      2010
XVII      1961      AP      1986
XVIII      1962      AS      1987
XIX      1963      AT      1988
XX      1964      AU      1989
XXI      1965      AZ      1990
XXII      1966      BA      1991
XXIII      1967      BB      1992
XXIV      1968      BC      1993
XXV      1969      BD      1994

[Black Jack Shellac]

didn't represent this as a date code only a possible serial #. Any more opinions or possible info?

[The Avocado Kid]

VA is not a date code, at least not yet! If you have no other markings I don't know what to tell you other than this,if you know someone else that has an 1858 remy try to inter change or swap cylinders with them,if the cylinder fits then you may have a good idea who made the revolver BUT without any markings on the gun you are kinda up the creek, as they say. A member here on this forum(Bootsie)just told me a-lot of guns from Italy are being shipped to the USA without markings,date codes and other markings etc. Why? Who knows? FUBAR! Sorry I was not much help to you. Dusty. PS: The Uberti 58 is smaller than the pietta 58,the EuroArms 58 is smaller than the Uberti 58 more too the size of the orig's. this may be the way for you to find out who made your gun.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

A picture might help us.
Look for a DGG anywhere on the bbl and frame.
There may be the box with the letters between the TG and the rammer on the bottom of the frame in front of the cylinder.

Perhaps your gun has been defarbed and reblued? If then we are all up the creek in identifiying it. As Dusty says try to swap the cylinders into and out of different 58 Remy's. Pietta's will be too long to fit Uberti or Euroarms. These two will fit into a Pietta. The Pietta's cylinder is about .018 or more longer than the others. Euroarms and Uberti's will interchange.

It could also be a Santa Barbra made in Spain. A very good maker, they make all of Spain's martial arms for their military.

Are there any threads showing at the breech or are they covered by the frame? If covered by the frame then it is either Santa Barbra or Euroarms/Armi San Paolo (same company). These are the only two makers I know of that make thw Old Model Army version of the '58 Remy. Lyman did, but it was made by Euroarms.

[The Avocado Kid]

Yep! Charlie is correct,reenactors have a thing for de-farbing items- guns is a big one and they don't just remove,they add also! Dusty.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

That's why Uberti statred putting their markings under the bbl. so as not to show on camera.

[hellgate]

Another way to tell or narrow down the maker is to look at the amount of "beef" (metal) where the barrel screws into the frame. The Piettas are the beefiest. There is a decided step down to the barrel whereas in the Euro/Armi San Poalo guns the frame tapers almost to the level of the top of the barrel as in the originals. Uberti is nearly as close as the Euroarms guns. Euros also have the smallest and most narrow grips.

[Flint]

As to the last question, if you must manually set the trigger at the cocking notches, you either have a broken or a misplaced trigger/bolt spring.  Sometimes when reassembling the gun the trigger spring can slip under the trigger's shelf while tryng to  turn the screw tight, so the trigger will seem as if the spring is broken.  In any case, pull the triggerguard and check the trigger/bolt spring.

Also, make sure the trigger/bolt spring is not installed upside down  The longest fork is the trigger spring, and must sit on the step on the trigger.  The short, more "s" shaped fork is the bolt spring.

[Major 2]

A picture might help us.
Look for a DGG anywhere on the bbl and frame.
There may be the box with the letters between the TG and the rammer on the bottom of the frame in front of the cylinder.

Perhaps your gun has been defarbed and reblued? If then we are all up the creek in identifiying it. As Dusty says try to swap the cylinders into and out of different 58 Remy's. Pietta's will be too long to fit Uberti or Euroarms. These two will fit into a Pietta. The Pietta's cylinder is about .018 or more longer than the others. Euroarms and Uberti's will interchange.

It could also be a Santa Barbra made in Spain. A very good maker, they make all of Spain's martial arms for their military.

Are there any threads showing at the breech or are they covered by the frame? If covered by the frame then it is either Santa Barbra or Euroarms/Armi San Paolo (same company). These are the only two makers I know of that make thw Old Model Army version of the '58 Remy. Lyman did, but it was made by Euroarms.

I've lost count on how many I've defarbed for reenactors & films ... If by any stretch of imagination it is one I did, it will be either a Uberti or EuroArms.
I never did a Pietta because of the over-sized grip frame.

[Montana Slim]

My Old Remington repro only has one mark to identify & it's on the face of the cylinder. A very small triangle logo of Pietta.....it would be very easy to miss if you weren't looking for it.

Slim