KIK Black POwder

sundance44`s · October 05, 2006, 04:01:56 PM

Has anyone used the KIK 3f powder ... looks like it`s a little cheaper than Goex but i was wondering how it compairs ?

TAkaho kid · October 05, 2006, 04:38:20 PM

Sundance,

KIK is good stuff. Unlike GOEX they use the proper charcoal for a rifle or sporting grade powder - Alder. In fact it might be Buck thorn (which the Swiss use) but I am not quite sure. I have only used a few cans of it but I certainly perfer it over GOEX.

Cleaner burning, higher velocity.

Fox Creek Kid · October 05, 2006, 09:34:40 PM

The first batch that came in circa. 1999 was pure unadulterated crap. I ended up using it in a 12 ga. This last batch seems to have some better reports, although I know of not one serious long range shooter who uses it and that is always a benchmark for what powder is best IMHO. I have a can of FFFg that I haven't even opened yet. The problem seems to be the "fines", i.e. sloppy processing. Then again, Cuts Crooked had some good results in a Pedersoil RB with KIK. For CAS shooting any BP works, especially with a Big Lube bullet. Just my 2 cents worth.

sundance44`s · October 06, 2006, 07:33:35 AM

Thanks fer the info pards .. i`ve been useing Goex and i noticed this KIK powder the other day when i was ordering .. looks like it`s only a buck a can cheaper ..

TAkaho kid · October 06, 2006, 09:52:26 AM

Quote[The problem seems to be the "fines", i.e. sloppy processing. /quote]

That seems to be the common issue with KIK and something I noticed as well. They have all the right stuff and a strong powder but the finish and QC are a little slack. For CAS it would be fine as is. As for the fines etc. try socking it. Take a nice thick sock, dump some powder in it and roll it around. This will get rid of a lot of the fines and excess graphite.

DONT USE THE NEW PAIR YOUR WIFE JUST BOUGHT YOU AND PLEASE DO IT OUT SIDE!

Cuts Crooked · October 06, 2006, 10:10:38 AM

The pards are telling ya right!

KIK is a good powder, better than Goex by far, especially if you "sock" it. I've been using KIK 3F in all my BP cartridge applications with great success. My 45-70 loads shoot better than I'm capable of. A good freind of mine can shoot the center out of the bull at 200 yards with my loads, in his gun or mine.

sundance44`s · October 06, 2006, 10:32:49 AM

Now thats what i like about this site ,, just because i haven`t tried a product .. i can always get the lowdown on it here ... the site hasn`t failed me yet ! I understand different strokes for different folks ... no one said it was nasty and bad for excissive fouling .. that would be most important at the head of my list ... i`ll try some next time i order .........Many Thanks

Linn county ranger · October 06, 2006, 04:42:53 PM

Hello Sundance,

I've been using it for a year now 2f and 3f in 38 spl. 38 long colt 45 sch 44 wcf 45-70 and 45-90 with real good results.

The 45-70 and 90 I just started doing load developing with good results. 3f in the 45-70 and 2f in the 90. and both the 45-70 and 90 have been shot at 200 and 300 yards so far.

Ordering another case next week evan.

LCR