conversion cylider ??

[Bow View Haymaker]

Hi

I am new here and finally starting to be an active shooter in CAS. I have a Pietta Copy of a Remington .44 cal army percussion revolver. 1858?

I have been reading here about the cartridge converters made by R&D and Kirst.
Where can I get these from? My gun originally came from Cabellas but they don't have the converters. The local gun store didn't know what I was talking about. After some talking I got him to check for me and he found some in a Brownells catolog.
$249 for the Kirst and $279 for the Taylor(R&D i think)
I also found an R&D on the Midway website for $229

Are those ok prices? What is a good price? Which is better the kirst or the R&Dr?

I don't plan on shooting a ton with it but the only other single action I have now is a blackhawk, so it would get me started. The local group lets me use a double action revolver shot single action. Our local club is a rifle club, invloved in many diffferent shooting diciplins, that is NOT SASS afiliated and probably never will be but there are some of us that want to play cowboy and get more shooters involved. I have used the remington when I want to take the time to load it and the cleanup time afterwards. I like the way it shoots and handles. I think the converter would be the best of both worlds.
Can I use light factory loads in the converter?

Thanks for any help.

Haymaker

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Both sound reasonably  priced. Both have their following. I have not used an R & D but have shot a friends and it worked well
I shoot Kirst Convertors in two Euroarms '58 Remingtons and they are ACES!
One was made for a Pietta and it fit like a glove. I reworked the Pietta Kirst cylinder length to fit my  Uberti '58 Rem. Carbine (they are shorter cylinders). It works like a charm.

I load 28 Grns BP 2FG or 3Fg in my cartriidges. Or 43/4 grns. Trail Boss Smokeless.
Mine are 44 Rem. C.F. avaiable by special order from Kirst, River Junction Trade Co. or Old West Moulds, and a couple others. I went with the 44 Rem as they were true 6 shot cylinders, not 5 and a safety (Kisrt 45LC)

If you buy your ammo use cowboy action loads and you will have no trouble. If you reload your own. then the above loads will work in 45LC also as a starting place.

Hope this helps.

[Marshal Will Wingam]

Charlie hit it on the head. I reload for mine and the best smokeless powder I've found is the Trail Boss he mentions. I shoot light loads in mine and they work great. If I were to buy factory loads, I'd get the cowboy action loads for sure. If you go with the black powder loads, you shouldn't have any problems at all.

I have one R&D cylinder and one gated Kirst. They're great conversions. I've bought a few R&D cylinders and they all dropped right in and worked flawlessly. My Kirst took a bit of fiddling, but it now works as good as the others. Both are, in my opinion, well worth the money spent.

The Remingtons, for some reason, seem to be tack nailers. I prefer them over anything else I've shot. You have a good start with that one. Welcome to the game.

[Major 2]

I have a R&D myself. I meet Kenny Howell some years back on a Film Set.
My R&D is fitted to an almost 30 year old Second Gen. 1860 Colt, it was a drop on, but required a touch of timing to make it perfect.
Of course it needed a touch anyway....
The cylinder was actually for a Uberti 1860 Army.

It's a fine product, and holds to closer tolerances the the Krist, also simply, because Kirst won't make one for the 1860.
I also like the fact that the Firing pins are replaceable (unscrew), if need be.
Kirst firing pins are penned in.

$229-249 is the going price retail , but if you watch the Classifieds they turn up in the $150-190 range.
I bought mine from Triggersmith, he'd only fired 1 ...45 LC , through it....

[Bow View Haymaker]

thanks for the great info guys.  I am leanign towared the R&D, butnowI have to startsaivng my pennies.
For the next ??  Does anyone have an R&D cylider for sale for a pietta ?
And which Remington model can use a .38 special conversion?
I also want to get an 1875 rem eventually.

Thanks again for your help

Haymaker

[Marshal Will Wingam]

And which Remington model can use a .38 special conversion?

You can get the .36 cal models and you can use a .38 spl cylinder if you load heeled bullets for them. If you have Kenny sleeve the gun, any caliber will do because the barrel gets bored and the sleeve bonded in. Mine started out as .44's because I wanted the 5 1/2" barrels and the .36's don't come that short. Here's a pic:

[Major 2]

Seems like i just saw one on the SASS Net about a week ago.
I think he wanted $ 190.

Here is a pair , maybe he will seperate...... not the one I remember (it must be sold)


http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46446

[Marshal Will Wingam]

Here is a pair , maybe he will seperate......

These things are like potato chips. You can't have just one.... Even with one pistol, a second cylinder is good to have. What do you do if you want to reload on the clock? Look out Pale Rider.  I shot a whole match that way one time. Ten stages with one pistol. Great fun switching those cylinders for the second pistol targets.

[Bow View Haymaker]

 

"Nothing like a good piece of Hickory!"  Pale Rider was on tv last night.  I had to pay close attention on his reloads.
What is the other smaller pistol he carries?

I was originaly thinikng of using the 58 until I could afford a 75 remington but now I might just look for a second 58 iwht ocnversion, or both .

[Marshal Will Wingam]

"Nothing like a good piece of Hickory!"  Pale Rider was on tv last night.  I had to pay close attention on his reloads.
What is the other smaller pistol he carries?

It may be one of the .31 cal Remington pocket pistols, but I haven't seen the movie recently enough to remember for sure.

I was originaly thinikng of using the 58 until I could afford a 75 remington but now I might just look for a second 58 iwht ocnversion, or both.

I was going to have one of each until I realized that although they both point the same, they are very different feeling pistols. The action on the '58 (or NMA, as it really is) is really quite shorter than on the '75. It's a whole lot lighter, too. The '75 has more room for your finger behind the trigger guard so that's a plus. Basically, if you want to really be quick, have a pair of pistols that feel the same. That way you aren't having to change your aim and the balance is the same. That's why I have one R&D drop-in and one gated Kirst conversion. I can pick up either pistol with either hand and not really feel any difference between them, yet I still have a semi-mismatched pair of pistols. I bought a pair of 1875's but they were too heavy for my tastes. They're great feeling guns, though. Another advantage to the '58 that I like is if I trash one, the conversions can go into a new pistol without consting any more. Just the cost of another '58. The conversions are so well-made that they will outlast the guns by a great margin.

[jake1964]

It was a converted Remington '63 pocket revolver.

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