.45-75 Winchester brass

Started by Cimarron, March 19, 2018, 05:37:51 PM

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Boone May

Buffalo Arms is listing reformed and trimmed Starline .50-90 brass now for .45-75.  Has anyone tried it?  Inquiring minds want to know.  I would like to know how it works in original rifles. 
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MoonValley

I recently bought the Uberti 1876, and due to my own stupidity, didn't realize it was .45-75 and not .45-70.  That's turning out to be an expensive mistake.  I've been researched what brass can be reformed to make the loads.  Now I'm finding that no one is selling dies.  I tried reaching out to Uberti, only to find that they have ceased to offer the rifle in that caliber.  So now I'm stuck with an expensive and useless wall ornament. 

I did see one company offering brass made from 500 Alaskan, but they're asking $4.00 per case, and they're out of stock. 

Anybody wanna buy a brand new 1876 Uberti?  It's out of production now, so does that make it "rare"?   ::)

Slamfire

 Hey Moon, go up to classifieds, there is a 1886? 45-75 loading tool for sale. I use a 1884 loading tool for my 40-60 win. they work great.

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Coal Creek Griff

I'd give Buffalo Arms a call (208-263-6953) to discuss the issue. He could at least give you an idea about availability of reformed brass and dies.  Don't give up on the .45-75. It's a great cartridge.
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Cliff Fendley

Quote from: MoonValley on March 17, 2022, 12:28:34 PM
I recently bought the Uberti 1876, and due to my own stupidity, didn't realize it was .45-75 and not .45-70.  That's turning out to be an expensive mistake.  I've been researched what brass can be reformed to make the loads.  Now I'm finding that no one is selling dies.  I tried reaching out to Uberti, only to find that they have ceased to offer the rifle in that caliber.  So now I'm stuck with an expensive and useless wall ornament. 

I did see one company offering brass made from 500 Alaskan, but they're asking $4.00 per case, and they're out of stock. 

Anybody wanna buy a brand new 1876 Uberti?  It's out of production now, so does that make it "rare"?   ::)

Out of production entirely? and no not rare at all. They always make those in runs and someday when supply and demand is back in order I'm sure you can get one through Cimarron or Taylors.

I'm sure you could sell it.
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greyhawk

Quote from: MoonValley on March 17, 2022, 12:28:34 PM
I recently bought the Uberti 1876, and due to my own stupidity, didn't realize it was .45-75 and not .45-70.  That's turning out to be an expensive mistake.  I've been researched what brass can be reformed to make the loads.  Now I'm finding that no one is selling dies.  I tried reaching out to Uberti, only to find that they have ceased to offer the rifle in that caliber.  So now I'm stuck with an expensive and useless wall ornament. 

I did see one company offering brass made from 500 Alaskan, but they're asking $4.00 per case, and they're out of stock. 

Anybody wanna buy a brand new 1876 Uberti?  It's out of production now, so does that make it "rare"?   ::)

ahhh I wish there werent so much salty water between us - I could relieve you of your burden (at an appropriate discount of course )

I am out of touch with prices (and reality I guess) can you not find 348 winchester brass to convert over ? That is by far the easiest route I think - need a shell holder and a full length size die (only for the initial forming operation) ---My Dies are LEE

I am a great fan of the 45/75 - its unique profile and is the most "real" of the 4 calibres offered for the 76 - well worth the extra hassle for me . 45/60 of course is the common sense choice - but I never wanted to be common and often enough lacked sense - so ....................

once you calm down some there is a lot of info on this forum that can help to get you shooting - "she'll be right mate"

Boone May

Has anyone tried Bertram .45-75 brass?   It seems to still be available from some sources. 
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Boone May

Last fall I bought some .45-75 cases made by Ammunition Artifacts.  See link below.

These cases were made from 32 gauge shotshells, resized, trimmed and annealed.  Expensive and I had mixed results. 

They empty case cycled well in the action of my 1887 vintage Model 1876 rifle.  I loaded them with 75 grains by volume of Goex cartridge grade powder.  I found these cases will hold a full charge of black powder and seat the bullet with no free space.   I used a Winchester large magnum primer because that's what I have.  I think large rifle would work just as well.

Bullet is from an original Winchester 1878 fourth type .45-75 mold sized to .457" and lubed with SPG.  Lyman #458192 is identical to the old Winchester mold.  It was reproduced in the early 2000's and can sometimes be found on eBay or the secondary market.

The problem is that the case walls are a wee bit too thick so after the bullet was seated, the loaded round would not chamber.  At least it would not chamber freely.  This is a problem. 

https://www.ammunitionartifacts.com/unitedstatescartridgecases/4575winchester-9wd8j
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Bearskinner

The easiest way I found to make 45-75 brass ( I tried Starline 50AK, 348 brass, and 50-90) is use starline 50Alaskan. $1.08 each. Cut to length, run thru sizer die, finish trim on brass cutting tool, load and shoot. I do batches of 50 in an hour
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missourijack

Starline 50 AK is back ordered. I found 45-75 brass available form Northern Shooter Supply and got excited until I realized they're in Australia and shipping is rather high as in $91 for 40 cases. Uberti quietly dropped production of the 45-75 chambering in 2020 and almost no one has had brass available for nearly two years. I still have the 20 cases I bought from Ammunition Artifacts earlier this year. They've been sold out ever since. I'm willing to go the reloading route, have an original tool and components, but it's strange that a new production high quality rifle (my NWMP Cimarron is brand spanking new) is an ammunition orphan.

pinto beans

I agree the 45-75 is an "ammunition orphan".  There seems to be extinction event occurring with several older cartridges and what we consider regular offerings are difficult to come by.  Would seem if you are not a user of modern calibers options are not just limited but not available.  Have been reading and researching why the supplies of materials to reload are in such short supply and the standard answers are what is given.  Let us hope new businesses will appear to fill the void we are seeing form.

King Medallion

Glad I stocked up when they were relatively easy to find. Watch the classified, put in an WTB ad it your favorite classifieds, here, SASS classified, ect. Someone will lets some go eventually.
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missourijack

I did as you sugggested and scored 55 rounds of NOS factory fodder by Colorado Cartridge (now defunct). Wasn't cheap, but I now have at least a starter supply of shootable ammo.

King Medallion

I saw. Good for you. yes, pricey! But it's something to get you started!.
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Bearskinner

Apparently not a lot of 45-75 shooting going on, but every year a large group of us trek up the NRA Whittington Center range for a week of shooting, visiting, and just enjoying each others company. I take my original (3 digit serial number) and shoot a hundred or so rounds each trip. Theres more than a couple folks lined up to try it.
      I made cut off jigs to shorten donor brass, as I still have a good supply of 50 Alaskan from Starline. I keep 150-200 loaded so I don't run out.
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