New here and pic's of my '58 Rem.'s

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Oldelm suggested that I come to this forum and introduce myself. and show some pictures of my recent pietta '58 Rem.s that i have/in the midst of/ converted and antiqued.
here are a few shotsts of my babies.
2005 Pietta '58 Rem.  now a six inch bbl and not finished, due to an over zealous builder in Italy that deformed the rifling installing the front sight and the rammer latch. I ported the frame and the Kirst Conversion.(now in the other pistol.


2002 Pietta '58 Rem full conversion  and antiqued. This one will drive tacks.


and a picture of both;


The Kirst Konverter is in 44 Rem, I still need to order the one for the 2005 pistol it too will be 44 Rem.
I got all the components to load 44 Rem from Old West Moulds. I had 2000 44 Colt primed brass.
Thanks for allowing me to post these here.
I'm on the firing line forums/cowboy&bp forum

[Yankee John]

Welcome to the forum Old Dragoon!

Very glad to see your Remington's- They're beauties!  I love the antiqued finishes that you've applied. I  did the B-C Plum Brown treatment to one of my Remingtons and it is my baby.

It's also very nice to see yours have the Kirst Konversions.  I have a used Kirst complete set-up in .45LC & .45 ACP on the way- really nice to see how it looks completed (mine is the non-gated version too). I have an R&D in a Pietta 5 1/2" Remington and it is a dream to shoot.

A tip for you on shortening the barrel on your Remington;  If you haven't cut your factory loading lever yet,  get a replacement from Dixie Gun Works for a Remington New Model NAVY.  The Navy loading lever is 7/8" shorter than the Army lever.  If the shorter lever off the Navy works in your application,  a $10 investment may save you much time & effort.

Glad to see another Remington shooter here!

John

Here are pics of my plum browned Remington, and a comparison between the Army & shorter Navy loading levers:

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Thanks John,
That is a great idea and I think it'll work, I was pulling my hair out because I want to do a full conversion on this gun too. and the ejector keeper end falls just behind the round og tthe rammer. just where I was going to drill the keeper spring hole deeper.
That tidbit sure will solve that problem. I know I'll have to shorten the ejector rod, but that isn't much of a problem.

[Pappy Hayes]

Is the 44 Rem ammo different from the 44Colt you can buy? I now River Junction sells what they call 44Rem ammo. Is this what you are loading? By the way nice looking guns. I would like to eventully port mine but not sure I can do it. I have never worked with a dremmel tool and I am afraid I will ruin my gun.

[Dakota Widowmaker]

Damn fine job on the rems...

"inexpensive" guns look better with aging/browing.

I plan to leave my 58 Rem (also Pietta) as is with the blue finish, but, if I ever get a hankering, I might do a bob-job on another 58rem and antique it like I did my Uberti Millenium revolvers.

Man, I need to go shooting now... 

[Marshal Will Wingam]

A tip for you on shortening the barrel on your Remington;  If you haven't cut your factory loading lever yet,  get a replacement from Dixie Gun Works for a Remington New Model NAVY.  The Navy loading lever is 7/8" shorter than the Army lever.  If the shorter lever off the Navy works in your application,  a $10 investment may save you much time & effort.

I shortened mine, but that would have been a good way to go. If I ever do it again, I'll use one of them.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Pappy hayes,
Nope.
The 44 Colt loads are the modern 44 Colt...430 bore. These are .451 for the original Remington and Colt and most other C & B 44's
and now the new remington convertors in 44 Rem. it is 44 Colt case, I use 30 Grns BP (Elephant BP, I bought several years ago for $10.00 for 15 1lb cans from a guy getting out of BP shooting)
Posted elsewhere on this forum is a picture of the 44 Colt, a .451 ball loaded in a 44 rem, Mag case with the rim turned down and the 44 Rem .I went this route to be historically accurate as trhe first Rem. and Colt (and all other 44's) were 44 CF. (Remington did 46 RF first as stated elsewhere on this forum).

I love this load. it is very accurate in my 2002 Pietta(don't know about the 2005 as it's still down getting a new sight and rammer latch and 2 inches cut off the bbl.)

I can providethe detyails for where to get the components for this loading by private email or if it is ok I'll post Old West Mould's info.

[Pappy Hayes]

Pardon my stupidity, I have never done any reloading and not studied all the data. You are using th 44Colt casing but the actuall lead bullet is different correct?

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

That is correct, I can also use 44 Special cases with a turned down rim with this bullet and 35 Grns BP(this load approximate the original 45LC load,(weight and Grn of bullet), but this bullet will not work in a 44 Rem case with turned down rim...pokes it's little nose out the Chamber mouth and won't let the cylinder rotate. Not good at all.
Old West Moulds has 3 weights/sizes of bullets in this configuration that will allow the use of 44 Rem Mag cases with 38 Grns BP.
My original intention was to make a conversion cylinder out of the BP cylinnder that would accomodate the 44 Rem Mag case and the .248 bullet. That will wait for another time. The Kirst 44 Rem Konvertorworks great.

[Pappy Hayes]

Let me stupid one more time just to clear my old brain. The 44Colt being made today won't work in the 6 shot Kirst 44 cylinder? My thought was to get the 44 and have the barrel sleeved for the .429 lead.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

The modern 44 Colt cowboy loads will fit the cylinder, not the bore. If you slleeve the bore then it will work.

Funny thnig the first ten cartridge shots from my 2002 were with 44 Colt that I hafve loaded for a pistol I no longer own. they did OK at 15 yds, I had shot 2 cylinders of BP Cap and Ball first. so I believe that the fouling caused the good results.

The first 5 44 Rem were point of aim below and left of the bull ( where I held evidently)on a 25 yd official pistol and rapid fire target, I held in the bull and put the next 5 breaking each other accross the ten and X ring. This one (2002) shoots a lot better than I can hold!

[Pappy Hayes]

Thanks pard for your help. Now I have to figure out how to get me one of the Kirst 44 6 shot cylinders. I wonder why R&D has not made a 44 drop in. They should be able to do it and not angle the cylinder bore I would think.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

I'm getting my Kirst Konvertors from River Junction Trade Co. In mcGregor, Iowa.
Jim will treat you right.

[Oldelm]

Hey there Old Dragoon!
I see you found your way over here to SCORRS ok. Great!! 

Good folks here, and I'm sure they appreciate looking at your converted Rems and hearing about the Kirst .44 Conversion Cylinder and your loads for it with Old West's bullets. You're loading the 248gr Old West heeled bullet in the Starline .44Colt cases, too, right?  Would you by any chance be able to show us a close up pic of one of these loaded .44Rem/Colt cartridges so as to see the crimp you got on it? I love the look of those .451 heeled bullets in the .44 case . Thanks!

edited,...whoops, never mind about the closeup of the cartridge,....I just noticed you posted a closeup pic in another thread here.
I should look around more before askin questions..LOL!

[Jubal Starbuck]

  Nice looking shooters, Old Dragoon. What brand of grips do ya have on 'em?  I really like the looks of those.

Regards,

  Jubal Starbuck

[Cuts Crooked]

Here's a link to River Junction: http://www.riverjunction.com/

I've done business with them several times and have always been very happy with their service and products.

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Thanks Jubal,
The grips are from Girps.com and are Ivory-Like for a Pietta '58. They come lilly white, I soaked them overnight in lemon and Lime juice, and Apple Cider Vinegar. Then went over them with a butane torch. Be Careful as they will burn. That Crack on the right is a strss crack that just happened when I was heating them, Looks like an age line crack and you cannot feel it with your thumb nail. Pretty cool HUH?
I tried to get one on the other grip and darn near burned it up LOL. They will burn. My nest try I'm going to see if I can scrimshaw some age lines in the butt and on the sides.

The real yelolow ones came with the gun and I don't know from whence they came All I did was inlet the original (to the Pietta wood Grips) into the grips  cause I don't like the puny escuthens and screw that ccame with the grips..same storu with the other grips too. haven'y got around to inletting the bigger escutchens into those grips.

Hey Oldelm.
Thajnks fer invitin' me over here. I joined SCORRS too.

[willyboy]

Just beautifull!

[deucedaddyj]

Now that is what I call purty. That ranks right up there with women, beer and cars.

[Lucky Cuss Russ]

Fine lookin' Rem's!!

I'm plannin' to antique my '58 this weekend using Dakota Widowmaker's method.  Hope I can get mine to turn out as nice as your beauties. 

The grip you did looks great too!

LCR