1860 Vs 1851 Conversion Question

Rube Burrows · March 21, 2023, 07:33:44 PM

Quote from: Abilene on March 21, 2023, 02:16:53 PM
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The 1860 Richards and R-M's are identical except for the barrel and ejector assemblies (except the ones in .38 as noted above). The R-M barrels are similar to the '51 R-M except being round.

You would't happen to have a side by side photo for comparison showing the differences in the Richards and Richards Mason would you? What about the barrel is shaped differently?

Am I correct in that the ejector rod sticks out a little more on the Richards than does on the RM?

Coffinmaker · March 21, 2023, 08:06:09 PM

Hey Rube!!

I just love that greeting. OK, shortcut. Hop up on Cimarron's Web Pages. Take ganger (a long gander) or even a "print Screen" of the Richards/Mason 1860 Conversion and pay attention to the Ejector Assembly.

Then go to the Richards Type II and do the same thing. Paying lots of attention to the Ejector assembly.

Then it get's even more complicated when you go looking for pictures of Richards Type I.

then we can get into ..>>>

Abilene · March 21, 2023, 08:27:26 PM

I've never owned a '60 R-M and have no pics of one. But like Coffinmaker said, pics are on Cimarron's website. Yes, the Richards (Type II, that is) has part of the ejector rod exposed. It is the under barrel lug area that is different, as the Type II originally had a rammer attached, and the R-M was a new dedicated barrel for cartridges so didn't need that big hunk of metal underneath the barrel. The R-M barrel is also similarly shaped to the Opentop barrel.

'60 R-M: https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/products/revolvers/conversions/1860-conversions/1860-conversions-1860-richards-mason-army.html

'60 Richards (Transition / Type II): https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/products/revolvers/conversions/1860-conversions/1860-conversions-1860-richards-transition-model-type-ii.html

Note that the ejector rod is short in those pictures, barely longer than the ejector housing. Those are old pictures. Some originals were like that, including the one owned by Mike Harvey that was sent to Italy to copy. But it makes it harder to eject empties, so they quickly changed to the full length rod.

Coffinmaker · March 21, 2023, 08:46:07 PM

Oh Balderdash. I als forgot, one needs to not the difference in the Barrel Lug. The 1860 Richards/Mason has the "new" manufacture barrel with the "S" Lug while the 1860 type II Transitional reflects the use of the original 1860 Army pattern Percussion Barrel.

And then Along Came Jones!!

Rube Burrows · March 21, 2023, 11:25:43 PM

Thanks y'all for the explanation and pics/links to show exactly what you're talking about.
So many fun guns. I'm
So thankful for Uberti and their importers for giving us a chance to shoot these great firearms.

Coffinmaker · March 22, 2023, 09:28:24 AM

Well Heck

I should also reflect . . I don't like Uberti. Piffel Squeak

People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health

Rube Burrows · March 22, 2023, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: Coffinmaker on March 22, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
Well Heck

I should also reflect . . I don't like Uberti. Piffel Squeak

People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health

I have read that before. I have had pretty good luck so far with them.

Graveyard Jack · May 27, 2023, 10:39:25 AM

IMHO, "both" is never the wrong answer.

Rube Burrows · May 28, 2023, 07:35:20 AM

Quote from: CraigC on May 27, 2023, 10:39:25 AM
IMHO, "both" is never the wrong answer.

I won't disagree there. I'll prob. end up with both barrel lengths in the long run also cause I just love them all.

Coffinmaker · May 28, 2023, 09:34:09 AM

Ha, Well

I'm a fan of the "None of The Above" camp (snicker snicker snort). My conversions ALL sport barrels cut to the same length as the Ejector Housing. Quite good looking they are too. This is also true of my Open Top "Chameleons." I added Barrel/Cylinder sets to my Open Tops, so as to chamber and shoot ALL three offered cartridges. .38, .44 and .45 Schofield. A disclaimer, when I acquired my Open Tops the .45 chambering was for 45 Schofield. 45 Colt wasn't offered at the time.

My Pietta 1860 .44 conversions and 1851 .44 conversions sport barrels Four and a Quarter inch length. Balance is superb.

Pappy Hayes · May 28, 2023, 03:34:09 PM

I am a 1860 Richard's guy. All mine have the long barrel except the R/M I recently bought. I really wanted Richard's 5 1/2 in .44 but aren't available. The 5 1//2 R/M is .45. Wish I hadn't rushed into buying it. I am now lookin to buy a Richard's in .38 Richard's with Navy frame to create a 1861 conversion for my collection.

Rube Burrows · May 28, 2023, 05:46:17 PM

Quote from: Pappy Hayes on May 28, 2023, 03:34:09 PM
I am a 1860 Richard's guy. All mine have the long barrel except the R/M I recently bought. I really wanted Richard's 5 1/2 in .44 but aren't available. The 5 1//2 R/M is .45. Wish I hadn't rushed into buying it. I am now lookin to buy a Richard's in .38 Richard's with Navy frame to create a 1861 conversion for my collection.

Excellent grouping Pappy Hayes.

Rube Burrows · May 28, 2023, 05:46:43 PM

Quote from: Coffinmaker on May 28, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
Ha, Well

I'm a fan of the "None of The Above" camp (snicker snicker snort). My conversions ALL sport barrels cut to the same length as the Ejector Housing. Quite good looking they are too. This is also true of my Open Top "Chameleons." I added Barrel/Cylinder sets to my Open Tops, so as to chamber and shoot ALL three offered cartridges. .38, .44 and .45 Schofield. A disclaimer, when I acquired my Open Tops the .45 chambering was for 45 Schofield. 45 Colt wasn't offered at the time.

My Pietta 1860 .44 conversions and 1851 .44 conversions sport barrels Four and a Quarter inch length. Balance is superb.

That's a pretty good length as well.