Joseph Scheinigg of Austria 1860 revolver....the 44 mg of the era.

[llanerosolitario]

Finally some links about "the monster"...a 44 mg of the era: the unknown and ignored 13,9 mm Austrian Joseph Scheinigg revolver...( it reads  "13mm"  wrongly in first link)


https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/l/21020/perkussionsrevolver_scheinigg_13_mm_frei_ab_18?aid=40&Lstatus=0&ord=date_d&currentpos=22

https://www.dorotheum.com/en/l/1691209/#


https://www.gunauction.com/buy/14520655


https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/hermann-historica-ohg/catalogue-id-srher10002/lot-4a342236-cbf3-42ef-a2bc-a46e00017a91


Far more powerful, compact and advanced than the Walker, I hope firearms historians will finally give this fine revolver  the attention it deserves.

[LonesomePigeon]

Is it really more powerful? It shoots a .55 caliber ball but how much powder does it hold? It also has a shorter barrel than a Walker.

A Walker shoots a .44 caliber ball, holds 60 grains of powder and it has a 9 inch barrel.

[llanerosolitario]

This one hold also 60 grains of powder, with a huge caliber. In BP the caliber plays a more importanr role in energy than the amount of powder.

The Walker was "the most powerful" revolver for a short time, until de 1855's...when the British and the austrians developed their large caliber, 50", 54", and 560" revolvers based on the Adams Beaumont design.

In reality, not even that is truth, as the  british Baker transitional revolver, from 1852, in the huge  577 " caliber, and several other transitional revolvers, were more powerful than the Walker. Some models were gas sealed.

[Dave T]

If that revolver is truly as powerful as you claim, it's poor grip design would make it painful to shoot, or at the least difficult to control for follow up shots.

You seem to like it, and more power to you.  Don't tell me I have to like it as well.

Dave

[Coffinmaker]

But the question begs, at this point in time, WHO CARES ??  With no historical significance, what it was, or did, is immaterial. 

Unless you just want to start an argument ??

[Major 2]

It's a handsome piece,  some 14-15 years later in development to the 1847 Walker design....

[Smokey Dave]

No matter how awesome it is purported to be, it's just plain fugly.

[Major 2]

I Like it  .... tain't ugly to me

[Coffinmaker]

  Well . . .

I find it rather an interesting piece of kit as well as a nifty looking handgun.  I would hope the internal lock works more robust than early US guns (fragile).

I would not get wrapped around the axil that it's caliber rendered it the 44 Magnum of the era.  There are several mitigating factors involved.  Caliber, Weight of Shot, Velocity of the projectile all play an important role.

While I don't doubt it would pack a punch, to rate it as grater or lesser would be very difficult without modern scientific examination.  Personally, I'd rather NOT be shot with either one.

Play Safe Out There

PS:  You do occasionally present some interesting stuff.  However your methodology of deliberately trying to establish superiority of one over another, reduces your presence to that of a TROLL.  THAT is extremely annoying.

[wildman1]

Denigrating something to make what you are trying to build up is never an appealing tactic.
wM1

[Blair]

Coffinmaker,

Plus one for you and your reply!

I own, like and have shot many European firearms that I own within my collection, revolvers most of all.
I like all the "do-dads" they have on them to make them more user friendly. Some of these revolvers (mostly English made) can be in rather large caliber.
While the revolver in question was no doubt made in Austria, it is however a copy of an English Addams revolver and not of Austrian design. Did Austria act with the Okay of the Addams Company?
At this point, I really don't much care. Due to the fact that the OP  seems to be more interested in trying to create an argument than a discussion.
My "not so" best to this poster,
Bair

[llanerosolitario]

Joseph Scheinigg was a famous manufacturer in its time, which also made  versions  of the  Adams revolver in "normal" 44 calibre, like its austrian officers 1860 revolver.

I ignore if he paid royalties. Other manufacturers of Adams type revolvers, , like Francotte, in Belgium, paid royalties to the Adams company.

[Blair]

Not only did you ignore issues of royalties with the Adams Co. but with Colt and Smith & Wesson, among others, for their royalties and patents by various Arms Making European Countries.  All while using bad quality materials and very poor workmanship.
You Sir, truly are looking to create an argument over arms used in Europe and those used here in the State and how "WE" may view them... compared to those made in Europe that "WE", for the most part, never saw!

I like your posts about firearms from Europe. Many of these, most of us have never seen. I think that would be a much better approach.
With that, I leave you.
Blair