Judging Originals?

[Lars]

Hej you guys!! You can document that storks bring babies!!!!!!!!! Lotsa good "pictures" to support it too!!

However, as you point out, further research can/will disprove that, or at least document alternatives to the stork.

This "documenting" the "documentation" has an interesting history in some of the areas of interest to me. History "documentation", especially the written and pictoral, was often (nearly always?) created to support a particular point of view, typically that of the "winners" or the "believers". Then "new waves" of documentation provide peeks into the perspective or message on which the earlier documention was based. "Truth" was and is a very conditional thing in many matters. Don't know how that plays in the world of clothes, other than that most old photos were staged, or taken for special occasions, or in a studio with props, avoided certain topics, etc., etc.

Lars

[Delmonico]

To those who don't understand the joke, I did a fun little thing on research one tim on TFS, it got lost in the meltdown.  Has any one really seen much mention on preagnant women in the West?

They had babies of course but pictures of preagnant women and even meantion of it almost do not exist.  Well there are plenty of copyrighted books from the period, children's books of course that say the stork brought them.

I found a woman on the Solomon Butcher collection that was preagnant but it was hidden, it only showed on the enhanced images cause she was hiding it.

For fun try this:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/nbhihtml/pshome.html

Type preagnant into the search.  When you get the pictures fully enhanced there are about 50 of them, somewhat hidden, but there.

I also have in my books a copy of an 1890's marriage manual that explains it and one can always sneak a peek at Grey's Anatomy.

In reality once mass prodution and mass, cheap transportation (Rail Roads) came into being it gets very complex.

If you don't have enough to ponder, type crossbow into the same search.  Look on the roof of the soddy.  Don't ask me why it's there, but it is.

If research don't drive you batty wondering why, you ain't trying hard enough.


Lars: I suspected the stork story wasn't true, we don't have them in Newbrassky.

[Lars]

Yea Del,

All those sandhill cranes are really lacking in that regard, just like the European cranes. You need the kinda storks that build nests on top of cottages, making it easier for them to deliver babies. Obviously, all those folks in Nebrassky found some other way.

Lars

[French Jack]

  Del, and all the others that may be skeptical about this proposal, You are partially right. It is Living History Lite.  It IS a way to involve our members in reading, questioning, probing, researching History. 

Take for example, the persons that float through our organization, and exert no effort to scrape any deeper than the surface.  Any teacher can tell you, that the only way to teach is to get the students to want to learn and to look and do on their own.  That's what this is all about.  It provides an incentive for learning and some slight personal reward for doing so.  Believe me, once they really get those books open and start looking and asking questions, they are Hooked.  Look at all the people in our organization that do the looking for nothing more than personal curiosity and satisfaction.  You and O.T. are among the most visible.  That's the end result.  Personal learning.  Personal achievement.  No more, no less.

One misconception about the Originals is that it will be forced on clubs/posses.  That is not the case.  For the first part, unless there are at least THREE approved entrants, there can be no category.  There must be at least three entrants to do the scoring, as the process requires interaction on the part of the entrants.  There can be no offering to only one entrant.  It doesn't work that way.  There is no extra work involved on the posse level either, as the Range Officer simply gives the entrants their score time and they complete the process.

What's this mean?  Simple, unless there is enough interest in the local posse to achieve the necessary minimum of three entrants, it is non-existant.  As can be readily seen from this, the only way it could ever be mandatory would be at the National or Regional level, with LOCAL OPTION at the posse level.

Even then, if there are not enough entrants to field the necessary numbers to make it work, there can be no category. 
In this light, there is no way it is being forced down anybody's throat, singly or collectively.  As I said before, it is Self-limiting.  No interest, no category.  Enough interest, a category.

This is what I feel needs to be made plain when the proposal is made to the Congress.

BTW, where there are no storks, babies are left under cabbage leaves.  Everyone knows that.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Cabbage leaves??! I sure have learn't a lot from you F. Jack!

[Dr. Bob]

Not gona catch me growin any cabbage!!

[Joyce (AnnieLee)]

 
One misconception about the Originals is that it will be forced on clubs/posses.  That is not the case.  For the first part, unless there are at least THREE approved entrants, there can be no category.  There must be at least three entrants to do the scoring, as the process requires interaction on the part of the entrants.  There can be no offering to only one entrant.  It doesn't work that way.  There is no extra work involved on the posse level either, as the Range Officer simply gives the entrants their score time and they complete the process.

What's this mean?  Simple, unless there is enough interest in the local posse to achieve the necessary minimum of three entrants, it is non-existant.  As can be readily seen from this, the only way it could ever be mandatory would be at the National or Regional level, with LOCAL OPTION at the posse level.

Even then, if there are not enough entrants to field the necessary numbers to make it work, there can be no category. 
In this light, there is no way it is being forced down anybody's throat, singly or collectively.  As I said before, it is Self-limiting.  No interest, no category.  Enough interest, a category.

This is what I feel needs to be made plain when the proposal is made to the Congress.

French Jack, now I am really confused. The way the by-laws are now, there's no requirement for three entrants. Earlier you wrote:

However, on the face of it, to reply to your question:  At this time you don't have to do anything.  If you wish to allow the entrant to do so, and have basis to believe that they have gone throulgh the "vetting" process, I guess they get to shoot against themselves.  If they haven't been approved by at least 3 "Originals" , they still don't get to enter as such.  If you by chance have the requisite number on hand, it is still your call.  The scoring is not a giant item, I can e-mail you the scoresheets we used at the Nationals.

This reads to me that one person can enter in the category. Which way is it, one or three?



AnnieLee

[French Jack]

Annie Lee, at this point in time, the bylaws do require all categories to be offered if there is one entrant.  This won't work in the Originals.  A minimum of three entrants are needed to complete the scoring.  One entrant could shoot, but would not get a complete score for the category.  In essence, a practice round.

If this is adopted as a catagory, it would require at least three entrants to complete the scoring process.  This means that it would have to be specifically stated that the bylaw did not apply. 

If the bylaw is changed, as is proposed, it would be moot, because no one would have to offer a category if there are less than three entrants.  With the proposals to greatly expand the categories, this may well be the answer to a lot of problems encountered by local clubs.  It would leave it to the option of the local club if they wished to waive the numbers.