What do do with this Pietta 1860? And the story gets worse...

Hoof Hearted · November 14, 2015, 08:06:31 PM

This is exactly why my daddy warned me NOT to take the engine apart in my new car...............(yes I'm being a Smart A$$)

Cowtown call me (817) 219-2966 before you drive up to Cabella's.
I will ease your mind!

HH

Coffinmaker · November 15, 2015, 02:13:31 PM

Cowtown,
In answer ...... NO. The QC at Uberti is no better nor worse than the QC at Pietta. You were very concerned about the visual condition of
the screw bore and threads at this point. Nearly ALL the Single Action guns I have worked on over the last 20 or so years have shown an amount of thinness in this area.
It is a non-stress no-drag area. the only purpose the screw serves is to hold the trigger in position. The screw is supported at both ends
and is only stressed by the amount of moxie YOU apply with the screwdriver. Nothing rubs on it. Were it my gun, I'd clean away any loose flakes of threading and install the screw with a drop of purple LocTite (I do that anyway) and not worry about it. There is only a small amount of the screw bore showing into the hand channel and it's not enough to cause future problems.
I much much prefer Pietta to Uberti. Uberti have REAL problems.

Coffinmaker

PS: Give Hoof Hearted a call. He will re-affirm what I have said. You can still take em back to Cabellas. I consider that to be a waste of gasoline and time.

Lefty Dude · November 15, 2015, 03:39:28 PM

The returns end up in the Bargain Cave, and I buy them at a considerable discount. Keep the returns coming, please. I have bought several in this condition. They clean up well with my Diamond files and stones.

Cowtown · November 15, 2015, 03:40:10 PM

Quote from: Coffinmaker on November 15, 2015, 02:13:31 PM
...The screw is supported at both ends and is only stressed by the amount of moxie YOU apply with the screwdriver...

This is probably why when I removed the screws from the frame they were all barely snugged in place. All of the screws, the trigger, bolt and hammer screws were all not quite loose, but barely snugged down. Must be a reason the assembler knew to NOT apply amount of torque to the trigger screw. Set 'em in place, call it good and ship it on down the line.

Hoof and Coffinmaker, thank for the words of encouragement.

Lefty Dude · November 15, 2015, 06:50:02 PM

My Pietta C&B revolvers never have tight screws, it is Uberti who employs the Gorilla with the air gun.

Coffinmaker · November 15, 2015, 07:53:25 PM

Lefty,

Be polite. The gorilla's name is Bongo. It is also suggested one not be in the assembly area when Bongo is working. Unless one has
cinnamon rolls with white sugar frosting.

Coffinmaker

Crow Choker · November 15, 2015, 10:54:54 PM

Cowtown: If you haven't already done so, I'd take em' back to Cabela's. No reason to be buying and accepting shoddy workmanship as your pictures show. Taking them back and complaining maybe will trigger Cabela's to contact Pietta and demand better quality products. Your situation isn't the first time I've heard of poor quality cap and ball revolvers coming from Cabela's. Information was once floating around that they sell Pietta 2nd's. Can't confirm or not trying to continue a rumor, but Cabela's does sell a lot of in my opinion shoddy pieces that I have personally seen. A few burrs here and there are the norm, what you have cannot be fixed by using some diamond files and stones-missing metal can't be replaced and you shouldn't have to accept poor quality firearms that you laid down hard earned greenbacks for, esp when buying new piece's. I wouldn't hover over Cabela's bargain bin like some vulture waiting for junk to come along either. When I buy a firearm I want it to be as high a quality piece as possible, not something I will always have buyers remorse for or have to spend time and dollars to fix. Used is a different story. Let Cabela's know you expect better quality. As for me, I'd rather pay a little more somewhere else than have what you ended up with.

Flint · November 16, 2015, 06:15:26 PM

I have Ubertis with the same screw problem.....

Thumb Buster · November 16, 2015, 06:35:22 PM

Just looked at my 1861 Pietta ('CM'-2014) noticing it did indeed have the new trigger with the tighter radius on it. pulled the grip an trigger guard and saw an ever so slight break-through on the hand channel, but not as drastic as Cowtown's. Besides the radius on the trigger what else did they change?

Niederlander · November 16, 2015, 07:00:00 PM

Hmmmmm..................the design only worked for what, a hundred fifty years? I can see why it would need to be changed.............

Crow Choker · November 16, 2015, 11:12:00 PM

Quote from: Flint on November 16, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
I have Ubertis with the same screw problem.....

I have 10 Uberti's and 2 Pietta's-none have the problem. Crow

Hoof Hearted · November 17, 2015, 12:28:32 AM

Quote from: Flint on November 16, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
I have Ubertis with the same screw problem.....

Flint

"Problem" may not be the right term (unless of course it caused a problem)...........
Unless the looks of the inside of said revolver mean more than it's actual function

Cowtown called me. I had a CM dated Pietta 1860 on the bench that had the first thread (from the outside lookin in) and the corresponding corner of the backside of the screw head "showing air" (this is disassembled and looking from the inside out). I explained to Cowtown hat when the action is cycled the hand and/or spring do not come in contact with this area. Therefor there is no "feel" of this spot when cocking. As mentioned before there is no load or possibility of screw or thread problems either.

Since the call I have had 5 other pistols of varying dates apart (by the way you cannot see this without stripping the trigger guard, grip frame, and all internals) and each and every one of them has this same situation to some varying degree. None of the owners have complained and all the guns work fine.

Regards, HH

45 Dragoon · November 17, 2015, 03:26:54 AM

Yep.

I just got done with a "slap cocker" ! (The same condition inside)

This one has interchangeable barrels (4 7/8" and 8") and a pair of cylinders! And, no matter what barrel/cylinder combo is installed, you can dry fire! (He can practice while watching Gunsmoke!!!)

Mike
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Story · March 21, 2016, 05:28:54 AM

Quote from: Lefty Dude on November 15, 2015, 03:39:28 PM
The returns end up in the Bargain Cave, and I buy them at a considerable discount. Keep the returns coming, please. I have bought several in this condition. They clean up well with my Diamond files and stones.

You should accurize your handle.

Full Charge · March 29, 2016, 07:14:42 AM

" LOL", Story !!! ☺☺☺ This is unacceptable design/machining & QC period !

Trailrider · March 29, 2016, 11:21:04 AM

Can you say, "Ruger Old Army", boys and girls?

Lefty Dude · March 29, 2016, 11:44:33 AM

Yes I can say it, but I don't like it !

Coffinmaker · March 30, 2016, 07:52:06 PM

I can also say Ruger Old Army. Yuck. Not a reproduction of anything. Well made. Reliable function. Wouldn't have one on a bet. I
don't shoot Ruger cartridge guns either. Worked on a lot of em. Yuck.

Coffinmaker

45 Dragoon · March 31, 2016, 04:39:30 AM

OK,
I'll be the odd one here and say "yes" I can say it and I don't mind "too much"!! Lol !!!
Nothing will replace a perfectly timed Colt type action but, I'm just finishing up a pair of " fraternal " twins - a fixed sight ROA (highly modified previously) and a Pietta Remie - both in stainless with 5 1/2" tubes.
I used to not like Rugers till I owned one (not enough clicks!! (Didn't know the difference about the 3 screws!)) Now, I appreciate the modern mechanics of them (Bill did a great job) and the strength of um. Not my first choice (45 ROA ?! nope, 45 Dragoon!!!)
I am working on a gated conversion for the ROAs though.

Mike
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