Cap n ball conicals?

[Dakota Widowmaker]

Who uses conicals in their cap-n-ball revolvers, and if you do, what mould do you work off of?

Are you using pure lead, or mix?

I would assume you put lube/bore butter on AFTERWARDS, still...right?

[Cuts Crooked]

Years ago I used a few in an old Colt Army. The mold was cheap brass one that came with the gun. Didn't care fer em much and went to RBs and stayed with them. Seemed to have more recoil but not as good in the accuracy department as RBs.

I would assume you put lube/bore butter on AFTERWARDS, still...right?

No reason not too, but they have a groove fer lube jist like ca'tridge projectiles so they's no reason too iffin ya don' wanna.

[Qball]

I tryed an interesting thing, have a few thousands .45acp ogeval  200 grainers
and calibrated some to .451 ( yep them's hard cast) then loaded my -58 with them
i use a remote cylinder loader, not recomend it thou. Grouping was not bad at all
but the loading procedure is to slow and it was hard to get it straight in.
If you cast your own y not use acp in pure lead.

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[Lincoln Co. Regulator]

Conicals are all I use. Don't think I've ever shot a round ball through my .44's. Use the Lee mould and pan lube them afterwords with the same lube mix I use for my cartridge bullets. So I don't put anything over them. The idea was to simplify loading at matches so I could keep up with everybody else, and I didn't want my hands getting all greasy. Course they get black, but they're dry. I was using straight wheelweights (I know they're hard but they're free), but now I'm diluting the wheelweights with pure lead to soften them up a mite. They are a little hard to seat cast straight. I'm shooting a pair of Pietta 1860s.

[Dakota Widowmaker]

Lincoln, are you shooting rems or colts?

The Lee conical mould for 36cal it TIGHT. For 44, its not too bad in my Walker. (.450 at the base of the conical, my Walker likes .454 round balls, so, it does fit)

I am thinking of loading up some paper cartridges with 45gr of FFg and "going to town".

[Paladin UK]

Because its............ All we are trusted with here in the UK,  I think us UK pards have become quite adept in the use of the venerable C&B revolver!

Soooo....... fer all its worth I can tell ya that Ned Pepper UK, Rooster Cogburn UK `n my veryownself have all now switched to Dick Dastardlys ROA Big Lube Boolit fer our ROAs...........



As ya can see its a conical with a lube groove the size of the Grand Canyon.

It is without doubt the most accurate BP boolit we have shot, we normally shoot approx 60-80rds at a time and not once has the gun gummed up!! and the cylinder will still be spinning like a top!!

Ned has a piccie of a group shot off hand at 15yds and ALL 5 are in a approx 1 1/2in group!! Not bad at all I`d say!! for an out of the box gun `n DDs boolit combo!!

Paladin (What lurvs his Rooger ) UK

[El Paso Pete]

What Paladin UK said.  IMHO, the only ones that are any good are the ROA Big Lubes.  These have a lube groove and you size and lube 'em to .454 with a good BP lube.  Then load and shoot, no bore butter on top or wads under.

What's got me wonderin is how much powder old Paladin is usin?    Must be a bunch, he can barley get the boolits started in the cylinder.  Must be hard ta rotate too.

El Paso (who had 3/4" group goin on 15 yd target till it caught fire and burned) Pete

[Paladin UK]

Okay Pete!!............

T`aint No Problem seatin them boolits!! I got me a reel BIG Hammer

Sooooo C`mon now jest How Many Boolits   wuz in yer........... `3/4" group` `cos ONE   dont count as a group!!

Paladin (Whats reeel innersted in Petes Marksmanship ) UK

[Dick Dastardly]

Here's whut I dun.  I took the fine LEE conical design for the Ruger Old Army and made it into a true Big Lube(tm) bullet.  The LEE design was a good one, but the two skimpy lube groves just didn't do the job.  I know, I've had one since back in the early 70s.  When the pards like PRS, Mav and Snakebite showed the way to design Big Lube(tm) bullets they really opened a door wide.  Now there are ten successful Big Lube(tm) designs and the DD/ROA is one of 'em.

I've found that in my ROA that bullet does something nothing else can.  It has that neat .452 rebated base that starts straight into the chamber and the lube retainer ring that makes it stay absolutely square under the rammer.  Then, when the lube/sized .454 bullet is rammed home on top the powder it gives a nice snug interference fit without shearing any metal.  I've found that since this the case, I can shoot harder bullets and now I cast my DD/ROA bullets from straight WW metal.

Yes, they are accurate, and so was the original LEE conical.  But, they don't foul out where the LEE did promptly after one or two cylinders full.  The true hallmark of the Big Lube(tm) bullets with Holy Black is that they do not foul out and accuracy and function remain optimum.  I'm happy to say that the DD/ROA brings the benefits we have been enjoying in BP cartridge guns to BP front stuffers.

One more thing.  I've found some 13mm vials that nicely hold five lube/sized DD/ROA bullets each.  A shot shell box full of these will see you thru a main match with some left over.  When a pard using these goes to the loading table, he merely dumps in powder and seats a pre-lube/sized bullet near quick as loading a cartridge revolver.  Then, he has only to cap and he's good to go.  No need for cookies, grease over top, cylinder base pin lube, felt wads or any of the stuff that slows down the action.

I'm havin' a ball with this bullet, plus, I don't have reload any ammo when I'm done. . .

DD-DLoS

[Paladin UK]

I used  DDS vials this very morning (Sunday) `n yup they are the answer ta keeping yer loadin neat `n under control!! Shot 50rds today through my Rooger n like before NO binding at all!!
I know, I must sound a bit like a saleman fer DD But honestly. I aint!! he jest makes a bloody good product that makes shootin with the....Hoooooly Black a breeze!!

Hats off to ya pard!
Paladin (What jest Lurvs the Holy Black!) UK

[hellgate]

OK,
I gotta question: Are the DD molds made for the ROA only? Is there a similar mold for the Remington & Colt clones like the LEE mold (i.e. to throw .454 diameter)? I like the LEE molds and even have a hollowpoint 36cal from way back when.

[Paladin UK]

Fer Hellgate..........

I`m with you on this one pard I stuffed (Eventually!!) 3 DD ROAs into my ASM 1873 C&B (Wont fit into a Remmie, recess in frame is way toooo small )...............

Well, I`ll tell ya!! it kicked like a mule!!  and was really inaccurate So I reckon  iffn DD made a lighter boolit (a bit like the Lee conical fer the cattleman but with his HUGE lube groove ). he`d be on another winner!!

Paladin (What NEEDS a DD Boolit fer his Remmie `n his 1873 ) UK

[Cuts Crooked]

Paladin!!!! You gots a 73 C&B!?!?! I seen them in catalogues but never got ta handle one! Tell use about it..please!  (note: They are on the TGs agenda for us here in the Colonies, possible they will added to the legal list fer Frontiersman)

[Grapeshot]

And where does one get one of these big lube bullet molds?

[El Paso Pete]

Paladin!!!! You gots a 73 C&B!?!?! I seen them in catalogues but never got ta handle one! Tell use about it..please!  (note: They are on the TGs agenda for us here in the Colonies, possible they will added to the legal list fer Frontiersman)

Cuts Crooked,

I have seem them (1873 C&B) here, I just don't remember where, Dixie may have them.

[El Paso Pete]

And where does one get one of these big lube bullet molds?

Send a PM to Dick Dastardly.

[Paladin UK]

Fer Cuts........

I got it from Annie`O` as a Xmas prezzie 2 yrs ago  Russ made me some grips for it n it looked like this............



It shoots like this.............



And this.....



I decided that I wanted it to look a bit different from my other pistolas sooooooooooo

It handles like a dream BUT,  it shot a bit low n to the left   I made a new front sight I spent a while de-blueing and ageing it and now it looks like this...........



It differs from the Uberti model in that the Whole of the rear of the cylinders have been removed leaving the nipples fully exposed, this means that it is virtually impossible fer a bit of cap ta get hung up!! I anit had ONE mis-fire or jam!! (ya`ll Know whats gonna happen now!! dont ya!!).

Paladin (Whats `specting his ASM ta jam the very next time he shoots it!) UK

[El Paso Pete]

I pick up a pair of ROA on the SASS wire last month and managed to put 200 of DD's boolits through 'em.  They work like the old Timex and just kept on tickin.

One suggestion, decrease the heal diameter from .452 to .450, it would make 'em alot easier to load.

El Paso (who will not put his bullets in pee pee tubes or eat steak and kidney pie like some people do) Pete