Cabela's Sale, buy or no

[Crow Choker]

$199 for a 1860 is a deal, steel frame too!!!!-----' Hey 'Fidgety Bob', ifin you aren't familiar with the size and dimensions of Colt style grips, the 1851 Navy size (which is what the Colt '73 Peacemaker ie 45 Colt is patterned from) is favored by many so they can curl their little finger under the grip. Some claim it helps to control recoil, others like the smaller dimensions due to having smaller hands. The 1860 size/style found on the 1860 percussion, '60 conversions, and in the later Army style ''72 Open Top is longer in that you can wrap all four fingers around the grip. Was told once that the Army grip was designed longer so the troops wearing gloves could get a better grip-sounds reasonable. How depth, girth, width, etc., etc., differ between the Navy and Army as far as actual inches/mm, I've never seen it written down, but am sure it's recorded and someone has access to it. All I know is that the Army style fits my hands and feels better, feels fuller, and more stable. Wish my Rugers and Dakota 45 Colt had the Army style grips on them. The real truth is, my favorite percussion gun is my 2nd Model Dragoon. Big grips, alotta heft, and mucho 'shock and awe'!  I don't have overly large hands(wear a size large glove), but like to be able to wrap all four fingers around the grip. Some shooters with bigger hands than I have, like the Navy grip better. To each his own liking.  If you know a shooter who has both types, feel/try both, maybe they'll let you shoot both styles. If you live near a Cabela's, take the trip and check out both styles. Good luck in your endeavor.

[The Trinity Kid]

Glad t' see I'm not the only one who bought himself a .45 caliber Christmas present!   Just post lots of pictures, BobbyF.  Come over to the STORM page as well.  Even a whole thread devoted to pictures of 1860s!  After my Navy gets converted, and I get a second Remington, the '60 is next on the list.  BP revolvers are infectious.

--TK

[Tornado]

Glad t' see I'm not the only one who bought himself a .45 caliber Christmas present!  Just post lots of pictures, BobbyF.  Come over to the STORM page as well.  Even a whole thread devoted to pictures of 1860s!  After my Navy gets converted, and I get a second Remington, the '60 is next on the list.  BP revolvers are infectious.

--TK

I have one headed my way too!  
Speaking about Freud, I can't wait 'til my Dragoon comes back from Hoof!

edit: I meant to add that Cabelas had the Walkers on sale for $350 too!

[Major 2]

A friend of mine waltzed in to our favorite gun shop .... and there is very well done 3rd. Model Uberti Dragoon w/ Kirst gated conversion and it's original  cyl. , extra set of nipples, probably OEM because the ones in the Cyl. are AMPCO NIPPLES.
I'd say it was done by Hoof or another of Walt's installers...
A flask, a nipple wrench & a sealed full box of Speer of 454 balls .
It was on consignment, and appears un-fired,  the price was well within reason considering what was there... and the deal was made.
I'm just a little jealous, I did not go in somewhat earlier myself....  
I believe it would have found it's way to my Tree...

[Tornado]

Wow, that was a nice find!

[Cliff Fendley]

Bobby F. Just looked at yesterdays mail and the flyer from our Cabelas and has the 1858 Army (steel frame) on sale for 179.00. That is a good deal and the best price you will likely see it go for.

Now is the time to buy a BP revolver, the best deal is now on two of the most popular and nicest of the Pietta's. The 1860 for 199 or the Remington for 179.

I didn't check but assume that price is available at other Cabelas stores as well as online, the flyer was for our local store.

[Pettifogger]

If the brass frame 1860 is good enough for Bohannon, its good enough for me.

[Blair]

Pettifogger,

Don't you know nothing?
That is a Griswold.
Sorry, as Flip Wilson use to always say," the devil made me do it!"
My best,
Blair

[Crow Choker]

Bobby F: Cliff is right on. Good price at Cabela' on the 1860 Colt and '58 Remington to get started out on and to keep on shootin'. Didn't address anything ref the Remington grips in prior posts, but the Remington sits in the hand different than the Colts, but if ya get a Remmy it shoots as well as the Colts. All what ya get used to. Adapts well to small and large hands IMO!

[Buzzard II]

Try holding each of the guns before you make a decision.  Years ago I thought my Ruger Vaqueros felt good-UNTIL I fired a couple of 2nd generation Colts.  What fits YOUR hand better?  With light loads, either brass or steel will be fine, although I do prefer steel, it is stronger!  Good luck and good shooting.  Bob

[Cliff Fendley]

It's interesting you guys bringing up Bohannan.

Am I the only one that noticed, and was very pleased to see he was using a Remington steel frame during the episodes that aired last season? In one episode he even did the cylinder change, they stole that from Pale Rider.

I guess the movie production had to wait for a Cabelas sale before upgrading his "reel" gun to a "real" gun.

[Major 2]

Cliff

You must of missed the issue of "Guns of The Old West"  they address the  Brass gun that never was , and the heat they took...

what made it worst was the DIPSTICK armorer said on Making of "Hell on Wheels"
Holding up the Brass frame gun that never was ..."This is Grizwold & Gunnison"  !
He also said   "... the 66 Winchester was the only repeater available at the end of the Civil War" 

[Cliff Fendley]

Major, I guess I missed that issue. I suppose I should subscribe instead of picking them up off the news stand.

Also since I think you've done work in that area I have to ask, comparing just common knowledge of just ordinary folks like ourselves with a bit of interest of history, and compared resumes to the ones that work with these filming productions, it amazes me the idiots that get hired as prop technicians and armorers.

Is there just not enough folks with real knowledge interested in those positions or what is the deal with that?

I sit and watch shows like Hell on Wheels, Hatfields and McCoys and cringe and just pick apart the choice of gun leather, firearms, etc. when they could have just as easily chosen a model that would be accurate.

The dumbest thing about that Griswold and Gunnison comment is Pietta actually makes a fairly accurate G&G pistol. And since they do it confuses me as to why they even bother to offer the brass frame 51 along with the blatant lies in the product description claiming the south was forced to reproduce them with brass frames.

[Major 2]

I had a number of friends that worked on "Ride with the Devil"  it was pointed out to the Armorer that the
Brass frame Remington's the principles were carrying were anachronisms....in fact several times.
He took a bit of an attitude...
The quote I remember best was " the brass frame just looks Civil War " and shows up on camera ....

On  " Hell on Wheels " the script calls for a Grizwold & Gunnison,  it is in the dialog and part of the plot !
Yet they used a brass frame gun that never was (brass frame 1860)
As you point out , Pietta makes a Griswold & Gunnison... Uberti & High Standard used to and they show up on Gun broker from time to time...
They could have a Pietta Spiller & Burr in place of the Remington on "Ride with the Devil" or "Hatfields & McCoys" if BRASS is so photogenic....

[Cliff Fendley]

They could have a Pietta Spiller & Burr in place of the Remington on "Ride with the Devil" or "Hatfields & McCoys" if BRASS is so photogenic....

I thought the same thing, I guess they figure so few people know or care but if I were doing it my thinking is why not make it accurate for the same cost.

[Pettifogger]

It's Hollywood guys.  99.9999999% of the people watching these shows don't know the difference and could care less.  Even though we know there was no brass frame 1860 they look neat.  Almost bought a pair just cause they was pretty.  But since I already have to many C&Bs I managed (just barely) to talk myself out of buying them.  I bought a pair of Spiller & Burrs.  Most uncomfortable gun I have ever held.  Hurts my hands just holding them.  Thus, I have never fired them. 

[Major 2]

yeah well .... that's just the cop out ...It's Hollywood , Tinseltown , make believe  
I made a fair living at the shows I did , I always tried to insist things within my scope be accurate.
Used my budgets wisely.... worked with Continuity, and double checked.

The Armorer on HOW clearly did not know what he was talking about !  


I often point out " John Wayne's "The Comancheros" is so full of Anachronisms (it's like a poster child for the subject )
Plot sets it when Texas was Independent, 1843 , with the Duke as a Texas Ranger....
Colt Peacemakers, (30 + years) and ( 60 years newer designs ) Winchester 1892's substituted for Henry's which were 18 years in the future. ..... ( 1 year earlier Wayne's "The Alamo" did far better armament wise )
I suppose if that is OK  Hollywood , why not AR 16's in "Sands of Iwo Jima", or The Garand in the hands of "Sergeant York" ?


Before one states ..Well, maybe in 1961 when The Comancheros was made there were no correct period arms...
Then,  that one , never strolled though Stembridge Gun Rentals or even Western Costume gun collection.


It is the pride of having done the job right ....
but maybe you're right "... people watching these shows don't know the difference and could care less "  

anyway ...I'm way off topic , I'll step off the soapbox now , back to the point that brung ya 

Hope you enjoy your (steel) 1860 Army & Merry Christmas 

[Cliff Fendley]

Well said Major.

Merry Christmas everyone!