Cut down shotgun

[chris hickey]

Howdy all out there I was at a gunshow and came across a double barrelled hammer shotgun cut down to twenty inch barrels with the butt cut down to a pistol grip only.I thought this would be a lot of fun for shooting from the hip.Is it match legal? Cheers Hick

[Red Cent]

I am not sure but I would not vote for it. Sorry.

[Thomas (Tom) Horn aka James Hicks]

CH-
They are main match legal. (In the current issue of SASS Shooters Handbook there is nothing about not using this type of shotgun.  See SHOTGUN REQUIREMENTS pa.9 - 10 and requirements for all the different categories.)... I do not know what the numbers are for all of SASS, but I suspect only a very few would choose to shoot one,, especially the models with hammers, very easy to break the 170 RULE.  The shooter's who shoot this type of shotgun... shoot in "OUTLAW" category, and it is my understanding that not all clubs have that category... (and I could be wrong on that, I just do not know). That is about the only way you can shoot it.  Taylor's & Co., in their latest catalog show a Chiappa '87 cut down and it is called the "1887 Bootleg Series". I have only seen one shooter in the club that I belong to use this type of shotgun. Evidently he has a lot of experience in using it... he shoots OUTLAW and he very seldom misses with it. It looks cool, but I do not think I would try it... my opine.

[Major 2]

I like to re-visit  Tom Horns " They are main match legal" a moment 
Hick , I assume you are asking SASS legal 

I don't currently have SASS's latest Shooters Handbook handy so I can't vouch for them....


I can chime in as to NCOWS ...  Coach Guns ( 20")  & longer barrels are legal



Disapproved Shotguns

Modern shotguns with vent ribs
Modern recoil pads ( no white line spacers).
Short-stroke modifications to shotguns

( pistol gripped, sawed off stocks or stumpy's) are neither on any approved or on any dis-approved list.

Simply put they have not been addressed 

There for pistol gripped, sawed off stocks or stumpy's  would have to stand provenience, proof of existence in writing to the Authenticity Committee chaired by the National Judge.
They then re-view the application, and "may" offer a  a positive or negative recommendation to the NCOWS Congress for a vote.
Or they may table any recommendation , return it to the poster. The poster could then make his or her case to Congress seeking a ruling (vote ) at the national convention.

My point ?   they are not used at NCOWS events

[rickk]

Having tried my hand at bowling pin shooting with a Mossberg pump with only a Pachmyer pistol grip on it, I know they can shoot OK but there is a technique to it.

To start with, "hip shooting" doesn't work.

The only way to accurately aim is to hold it up like a rifle and "make believe" there is a shoulder stock on it. It has to actually be aimed like any other shotgun.

Then, when you hold it like that but have no shoulder stock, you have to make sure it doesn't knock all your teeth out of your mouth.

1 ounce rabbit (field) loads are manageable.

Buck shot or slugs or other heavy "magnum" loads are "less than pleasant" to shoot.... they will try to take your teeth out.

Also, the type of grip on the shotgun makes a big difference as well. The Pachmyer rubber grip I liked of all that I tried. The original hard plastic checkered Mossberg 'Cruiser" grip caused a blister the size of the entire palm of my hand after the first magazine full (5 rounds).

A wooden grip would be painful. A checkered wooden grip would be just like the plastic Mossberg one and remove skin.

There is little doubt in my mind that a cut down pistol gripped SXS would be historically accurate in at least some personal protection setting in the old west, but I don't think it would have seen much use other than at belly gun range.

Rick

[lonedog]

I could be wrong but I do believe SASS requires full buttstocks on all long guns used in SASS sanctioned events.