HELP Identify my Spencer Carbine *** Photos Added ***

[aldo]

I am new to the forum and sorry for my English, but please I need your help to identify my Spencer Carbine.
I bought here in Argentina and would like to now the history of this gun.
The serial number is 1144 and the model is 1860 of Boston Mass.







Information on your New Model Spencer Carbine:


                                               (Photos added by Two Flints)
Thank you very much

[Arizona Trooper]

It is a new model carbine made on a sporting rifle receiver. Note the screws beside the hammer for a tang sight, and the offset serial number. That saddle ring may have been added later. Looks rather Winchester-ish.

[Herbert]

This is the 3rd Spencer Sporting rifle converted to carbine with the Winchester type carbine ring that has showed up on this forum,it is making me more convinced this is Wincester made conversion and a definit sub type,3 identical carbine turning up on 3 diffrent contenets can not be chance

[Arizona Trooper]

Just noticed, that's a sporting rifle butt stock too. The narrowed comb only was done on those.

[Herbert]

Just noticed, that's a sporting rifle butt stock too. The narrowed comb only was done on those.

The other 2 found in Europe and 1 in the US all are conversion from sporting rifles with the identical Wincester type carbin ring,butt stock and action all are Spencer sporting rifles,with the NM carbine barrel an for-stock fitted,all I think had the frot sling fitted as well.It is my therory that these carbine were put together by Winchester to fill orfers for Spencer carbines that they had ,thoug striping a Sporting rifl for this seems a bit extream,I am begining to think that a some of Spencer sporting rifles were not completed as the the lenth and shape of barrels was chosen when orderd,as well as set or single trigger and sights,these unfinished actions would have ended up with Winchester who would not be interested in compleeting Sporting rifles so would have been finished off as carbines with other parts on hand plus ading a Winchester carbine ring as this would have been much easyer and cheeper than fitting a Spencer carbine ring,just a theroy but it would fit

[aldo]

I first want to thank to everyone for the help. I'm a little bit confused by my English first.
I understand that this weapon was modified by Winchester. Knowing the history of the weapons of my country, I'm sure that this gun was imported into the state it is, without modifications, the question that I have is if Argentine could be bought this before 1870 for the Paraguay war, or after 1870. I have reference that Spencer carabines were used by the presidential guard in my country. This modification detracts or makes the gun more expensive because of the rarity?
I feel sad because hoped that this gun was used in the civil War and in the Paraguay War.

Thank you very much

[Herbert]

Very posibl the carbine could have bee used by the presidental guard or used in the war with Paraguay.Winchester was selling stocks of Spencers to all commers at this time,Brazil and Argentinie were just some of the buyers.To me this carbine is defintly worth more than either a NM carbine or a Sporting rifle.I belive in time the Winchester conection may be proved,if this is the case it will be in the price range of other early Winchester expermental rifles,which is way up there,even if it can not be proven there is now enough surviving examples exactly the same as your carbine to put it into a sub-class modle,and this one seems to be in extreamly good condition,you are a very lucky man in my opinion,I would treasure this carbine