44 special black powder loads

[Dick Dastardly]

I sell the molds, but I wish I could take credit for inventing the Mav Dutchman bullet design.  Thanks Mav Dutchman.  Your creation lives on.  Now, with a deeper crimp groove, you can even size them down to .427 and still have a groove to crimp into.

I load 'em in 44 ELR over a compressed charge of FFFg Schuetzen black powder.  I'm very satisfied with them.  Lube size the bullets and seat them to compress the powder and you're good to go.  Nothing else needed or wanted.

DD-MDA

[rifle]

I came back here just for kicks to read nsomething. Reading about someones bullets with lube pills flying lke lopsided carts or whatever was said got me to wondering. I've not had that problem from lube pills sticking to my bullet bases. Maybe it could be suspected with cap&ballers though.
Anywhooooo.....is it inferred that there's no "flyers" with wide lube grooved bullets? Could it be flyers with wide lube grooved bullets are dismissed as being caused by anything else but lube sticking in "part" of the lube groove?
A wide lube groove in a bullet carries as much or more lube than a thin "lube pill". Wonder why a thin lube pill makes accuracy erratic by sticking to the bullet base but the same or more lube in a wide lube groove wouldn't do the exact same thing.
I guess some people must check each of the flyers after recovering the bullet to see if there is lube on the base or some rendition of that.
I use the lube pills just out of habit and shoot hundreds of blackpowder loaded cartridges without much trouble. I've used the die in my press from Buffalo Arms made for punching wool wads or paper or cardboard wads to make printing paper wads to place on the lube pill that is placed right on the powder. Seemed it made no difference in the accuracy of my loads. Needless to say I'm older now.....injured from past battles....and don't shoot as well as I did when I was younger. Considering the human error involved it would be difficult to tell what causes an occassional flyer. A fouled barrel definity does cause flyers as does any other regular standard deviation widdening aspect to reloading.

Anyway... I use the lube pills(grease cookies have been around for decades and decades) and figure they cause no more problem than an overly wide lube groove in a bullet. I'd suspect that in some instances the overly wide lube groove could be a source of non-support for a bullet going from chamber to forcing cone and let bullets cant some on entering the barrel some.
I guess one conclusion here would be that in all fairness a thin lube wad would carry no more of a problem than an overly wide groove in a bullet.
Also...in all fairness I'd say it would be less trouble reloading with blackpowder using a bullet with an overly wide lube groove  than making lube wads or grease cookies.
There are extruders made to make ribbons of lube for lube wads. Blackpowder Cartridge Long Range Shooters been using Lube Pills or grease cookies for decades. Some make the lube pills all the same thickness by pouring hot wax/lube on very hot water in a pan so natural leveling makes all the sheet of wax/lube the same thickness.
Anywhoooo....I just typed this out for the sake of fairness in conversation and informational discussion..... For the sake of open mindedness. Lube pills or grease cookies would be a good place to start while waiting for a wide lube grooved bullet mould..... or while waiting for some wide lube grooved bullets to come in the mail.
Anywhoooo....until I get up the change for a mould or moulds  I'll keep using my infernal lube pills to reload blackpowder cartridges in 38 Special, 44 Colt, 44 Special, 45 Scholfield, 45 Colt, and 45/70.
Truthfully the one major reason I don't have the Big Lube Bullet moulds already is.....I don't like casting with a six bullet gang mould. Maybe a four cavity mould but not a six. Too heavy ifin yer casting a lot of bullets.