Authenticity Check

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

Is the 1858 New Army Police .36 Caliber Revolver historically accurate?

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pietta-Model-1858-New-Army-Police-36-Caliber-Revolver/731694.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3D.36%2BCaliber%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=.36+Caliber&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products

¿Dónde está el Senador Pancho Pacificador cuando realmente lo necesitas? ¿Qué tan auténtico es un vaquero que no puede hablar español?

Itchy

[Books OToole]

I don't have any references in front of me but:  Remington did make a .36 "Navy."  I'm not sure of the name "Army Police."

If the pistol in question looks like the .36 cal. "Navy," it should be approved.

Books

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Remington made their revolvers in five models.  Each had its own frame size.  There were;

Army - .44
Navy - .36
Belt - .36 - This one would be nice! 6 shots & 5 inch barrel.
Police, - .36, &
Pocket - .31

If you look at Cabela's description, this one is an Army model with smaller caliber and shorter barrel. It is not an historical firearm.  I think it is NCOWS legal, at least I have never heard of a problem.  My son in England uses a brace of them where SASS rules are followed.

[Yuma Kid]

Sir Charles,
I am not the Judge, but if it is not historically accurate, then it in not NCOWS legal.  That is alway the simplest test for authenticity, did it exist, is it a historically accurate reproduction.  If the answer to either of these 2 questions is NO, then it is not legal.
Yuma

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Sir Charles,
I am not the Judge, but if it is not historically accurate, then it in not NCOWS legal.  That is alway the simplest test for authenticity, did it exist, is it a historically accurate reproduction.  If the answer to either of these 2 questions is NO, then it is not legal.
Yuma

I recall that rule very well!  I just haven't heard any discussion on the modern navy caliber Army pistol.  Rugers aren't PC either, but get used!

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

The reason why I was checking is because I bought a Remington Shoulder Stock.  Once I get it set up I will return with pictures of same.

I am putting together a three gun combination that is 36 caliber.  I will have to do some more research on the Remington 36 Caliber that I can use the same stock with.

How it works is there is a screw and special nut combination that travels through the revolver the hammer assy rides on.  There are channels in the "business" clamp end of the stock the resulting nubbins ride in and a adjustable screw keeper that holds the whole business together under the frame at the grips like a big C clamp.  Ya really don't need the cut out some frames have under the grip.  My CAS bud Wolfgang told me about this.

So far I have bought a used 1851 for my other shoulder stock set this one HAS the cut out under the neath side of the frame at the grips.  I am thinking of having two 36 caliber 1851's and a Paterson.  Or one 1851, 1858 Remmie 36 caliber, and a Paterson.  The latter combo if I can find a historically accurate 1858 Remmie that will work so I don't have to buy a $225 shoulder stock.  The Remmie shoulder stock is not as dear at $185.

I may have a line on a used 1861 shoulder stock which will change the scenario altogether.



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[River City John]

On the left is a Uberti .36cal built on the .44 frame, which is what is offered today. On the right is the .36cal by Euroarms (now out of production) that is accurate dimensions.

I'm not sure of the practicality of using a five-shot cap 'n' ball revolver with a shoulder stock as a substitute for a long arm, if that's what you're thinking. You'd have to reload on every stage to complete your rifle targets, or just take the misses.

Be that as it is, the Remington is approved and the caliber is approved. Slight differences in dimensions don't matter, as just about every reproduction offered today has compromises either in dimensions or caliber.
Remington did offer a belt pistol in .36cal, and I have shot my Uberti for a number of years and it has not raised any eyebrows.
BUT, when I found my Euroarms .36cal I jumped for joy. It just feels better in my hand and has greater pointability.

RCJ

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

Midway has the Uberti .36 Navy.  It looks to be a more slender pistol.  $301