Cap & Ball Cylinder In Remington Factory Conversion

[Frizzen]

Has anybody been able to get the cylinder to shoot cap & ball in the Taylor 1958 Remington Factory conversion in
45 Colt?  I called them and they are not in stock. Been thinking about getting one when they do get in stock and
was wondering just how hard the fitting will be, or do you think this will just be a drop in? Surely somebody out there
wants to shoot cap&ball in their Remingtons other than me. It ought to shoot round ball real nice. By looking down
the barrel, looks like a rather fast twist. Say 1-22 to mebby 1-28. Oughter to be a good shooter.     Thanks

PS   Given the size of the cylinder, it ought to hold more powder also than the regular Remington cylinder.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I think the "factory conversion " has a larger radius "wheel" than the Capnballs

[Wolfgang]

I think the "factory conversion " has a larger radius "wheel" than the Capnballs

That is whut I read in the reviews of the "factory conversion" when it was introduced.  You cannot put a cap & ball cylinder in it.  If you want a convertable Remington get a standard Cap & Ball gun and then get a conversion cylinder for it. 

[Frizzen]

I think you are both mistaken. Yes you can put a cap & ball cylinder in the factory  conversion 1858 Remington. Taylor's have it on their
Web site and I have talked to them about it. It is a larger cylinder than the typical one for Remington's. It is made just for the factory
Conversion model and won't fit other Remington's . Taylor's have them on order but don't have any in stock at this time. I was just
Wondering if anybody has gotten one yet and how did it fit. The standard Uberti Remington cylinder won't fit .Sorry if I didn't make
Myself clear. Old age is beginning to creep up on me. I just turned 70.

[Major 2]

Taylor's has had the so covertable conversion on the website for some time.

I've had one of the 45 Forged Frame coversions since it was first available (in fact it was the very gun subject to a writen gun review)
it does not have a C&B cyl. nor was one ever fiited to it.
It does have a larger radius "wheel" than the Cap "n" balls as Sir Charles pointed out.

I have yet to see or hear of "your" factory offered C&B Cyl. being available in the past 6 years. 

[Slowhand Bob]

I have found 'non-standard' parts listed for guns in the past that just never seemed to get beyond the idea stage.  For me the idea of keeping Remingtons convertible between cartridge and cap-n-ball is a big deal but most may not not think it important enuff so as to make the special stock cylinder financially viable.  Since mine were done from original Pietta cap-n-balls there was no problem and this even allows me to collect extra c-n-b cylinders for match convenience.  Those size differences and their accompanying change in feel was what lead me to sell my Uberti RM Conversions and go to plan B, converting actual cap-n-ball Colt clone revolvers.  Perhaps mental but they just feel better and a bit more petite than does the made for market conversions to me.   

[Frizzen]

Well I guess I  probably  will never see it. I thought some had been made. The lady on the phone at Taylor's
sounded like they were waiting for the second shipment of them. So they never got the first. Never was one.
I like the small ones too. I have a Euroarms that is smaller than the rest. Love it. I guess I will just shoot 45 Colt in
the Uberti Remington. It is a pretty thing. Ordered some aged ivory grips from "Tombstone" grips. Cut the barrel
off to even with the loading lever latch. Made it 6 1/2 inches. Looks good. Than you all for your info.

[Wolfgang]

I think you are both mistaken. Yes you can put a cap & ball cylinder in the factory  conversion 1858 Remington. Taylor's have it on their
Web site and I have talked to them about it. It is a larger cylinder than the typical one for Remington's. It is made just for the factory
Conversion model and won't fit other Remington's . Taylor's have them on order but don't have any in stock at this time. I was just
Wondering if anybody has gotten one yet and how did it fit. The standard Uberti Remington cylinder won't fit .Sorry if I didn't make
Myself clear. Old age is beginning to creep up on me. I just turned 70.

Didn't know that.   When the factory conversions were first introduced they were strickly cartridge . . . no cap/ball cylider.  I hadn't paid much attention to them since reading the first review when they were introduced. 

[Major 2]

Taylor had them in the on line catalog... I have not look lately may still be there...

It was a conceptual idea to my knowledge Uberti has not made them, at least none have made it to this side of the pond I'm aware of.

Personally, if a convertable is what you want, I contact either, Jerry Barns or Jay Strite....

[Abilene]

Well folks, here is the deal.  When the gun was first announced there were articles about it in the gun mags indicating that the gun would be a convertible with the C&B cylinder included.  I think they produced a few like that which were in said magazines.  As it turned out, fitting both types of cylinders to the gun is a big pain and time-consuming so they decided to just offer it without the percussion cylinder.  HOWEVER, they have made C&B cylinders for the gun (as mentioned, larger diameter than the percussion guns they sell).  Cimarron, last I checked, had a number of them on the shelf.  I know that a few of these cylinders have been fit to some conversions, but again, it was not easy nor do I know how well this worked out.  I think I heard that it is difficult getting the hand to work with both.  Definitely not a drop-in from what I have heard.   Don't try to buy one of the guns from Cimarron with the extra cylinder fitted, they did a few but they won't do any more.  But if you want to try it or have a good gunsmith who will do it, the cylinders are available. I'm not sure if it is in the parts list.  I do see: 1014005 - identified as "Cylinder .44 Avanc." ; don't know what Avanc. stands for, but possibly Italian for percussion???  I don't think the ones on the shelf at Cimarron have a p/n on the bin anyway, just a note that they are the percussion cylinders for the conversions.  I won't be back there for another month so can't look.  But if you want one, call and ask for Chris and he should know where they are, tell him Abilene sent ya. Or, wait until Taylors gets theirs in.  Either way, good luck.   Hope that helps.

[Frizzen]

Thank you so much. That has been very helpful. Here is how the gun turned out.



I guess you could get a second hand. Fit it for the cap & ball cylinder. That way you would change not only the
cylinder, but the hand as well. I'll have to think on it a spell.