Reloading data for Gun Club (Remington) target

[Delmonico]

You are taking on a task that requires a lot of care, why do so many folks think it is unreasonable to expect folks to use a little common sense and do some research.  The comment about nobody suggested you call Remington to find out if the shells are the same, if you think about it would make people like me think perhaps it was time to do some real research. 

If your feelings are hurt so be it, the reason you should do some good research by reading established references is to keep you from being hurt and more important, to keep others from being hurt.  It is pretty plain from the begaining you wern't doing much research on your own.

We have a MEC 600 jr Mark V.  Yes, there is a manual, just haven't really studied it yet, but if it's anything like the one that came with our RCBS turret press for the pistol...it's about worthless.  LOL

I've never seen instructions that came with a loader that were "about worthless." 

[Longshot Lil]

Delmonico:

If you had any idea how much time my husband and I BOTH have put into looking up information...   And if I weren't doing much research on my own, I would have just figured all 20 gauge shells were the same because they are all yellow and started merrily loading away (and yes, I know why all 20 gauge shells are yellow).  I am not claiming to be an expert in the subject.  How could I be since we JUST started doing this?   I WANT to be an expert, that is why I ask questions and try to LEARN!  I was always taught that "the only STUPID question was the one left UNASKED".  I always taught that to the people I would train at work...I would laugh later at the question (to myself), but the questions asked of me were always answered with the dignity that the person deserved and with an accurate answer AND I would make sure they understood the why's and wherefore's that went along with the answer.  I guess I'll just have to find a different place to ask my questions if my innocent and worthwhile questions will be met with ridicule.  If you don't want to share your experience in a friendly manner, then please don't post.  The whole idea of a forum, is to share information and to be a community with people who have similar interests, at least that is what I thought up until now.

Don't bother posting a rebuttal, as I am not going to lower myself to start a fight over the thoughtless words of one person.  I was under the impression that CAS people were a really friendly, helpful and welcoming bunch of folks.  I guess there are always the exceptions.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Lil;  This is a very unique thread.  When learning a new body of knowlege & skill there is a very steep learning curve. It is often described as drinking from a fire-hose. You and your Hubby have taken a serious approach to the process. Good On Ya.

There comes a point when you know a lot, but not everything.  This thread is an example of you displaying knowledge, but needing a few questions answered. In posting your question you missed some required information, which led to some of us, including me, spinning our wheels until finally the needed info popped up.

I'm really glad that it was you who cut the Gordian Knot by calling Remington.  I agree, this thread has run its course.

Now get out to a range and start shooting.  Yes, this is a polite forum, and we welcome you both to the sport.

P.S;  I just noticed this from another very recent thread;

"When you want to know about a product, call the maker."

Mike Daly

Customer Satisfaction Manager
The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants

[Longshot Lil]

...You'll also notice that my original question was "where can I find reloading data information" for this particular shell.  There still isn't anything on any reloading data site that I can find that specifically calls out "Remington 20 ga. Gun Club" shells.  Since this was my original question, I doubt that calling Remington would have given me the answer to it though.  It was in my further research and finding that people treated the Gun Club the same as the STS that led to "are they the same shell?"  It would be nice if Hodgdon and others would update their lists of loads to include "Gun Club" for 20 ga. under the STS listings.  Perhaps I will write them and suggest it.

Sir Charles:  I appreciate your support and the kindness you have shown.  You are correct that the learning curve is steep, and I apologize for omitting the fact that I was looking for 20 ga.  I had thought that I had said that, but with several other things on my mind at the time I was also working on this, it slipped through without my notice.  I apologize for those of you who were left frustrated with my omission, I know how that can be.

Our first CAS practice is tomorrow morning, but it's supposed to be a rainy day in our area....we'll do an "anti-rain dance" and hope it holds off until afternoon!

[Delmonico]

P.S;  I just noticed this from another very recent thread;

"When you want to know about a product, call the maker."

Mike Daly

Customer Satisfaction Manager
The Hodgdon Family of Fine Propellants

That comes up all the time when you sit down and read everything you can get your hands on dealing with reloading.  I may sound harsh at times but sometimes being that way is a better way to teach than holding someone's hand and singing Kum Ba Yah.  The well informed reloader that has done their home work gets in a lot less trouble than the ones who rely on just asking anyone they can, even in the days before the net. 

It's hard to tell especially here on the net, who is giving good information and who is giving bad information.  The makers of the equipment and the supplies we use are the best general source you can use.  Rely on friends for some of the little stuff but when it comes to data and what interchanges ask the folks who make the stuff. 

I could have suggested you call either Remington or Hodgdon, but it was time you started thinking about things like that for yourself, I think that is the best thing you have learned since you got here, "when in doubt call the maker."  And I mean call, don't E-Mail, when you call you get a real person on the line who can find someone to help if they can't.  Folks tend to forget this in the internet age.