Argintine Mod 91

[Grigori_Storri]

Today, I found a model 91 Argintine Mauser. Anyone have any thoughts suggestions ideas? By the way I did get it $150 I figured either got a deal or I got ripped.

[Niederlander]

We had a couple of guys at the Department of the Missouri Muster shoot Argentines last year.  Shalako Al and Tom Snow would be the guys to talk to, if I'm not mistaken.

[Professor Marvel]

Today, I found a model 91 Argintine Mauser. Anyone have any thoughts suggestions ideas? By the way I did get it $150 I figured either got a deal or I got ripped.

My humble recommendations - if it is stock military, leave it that way, clean it, slug, it and shoot loooong RN lead bullets.

Condition is everything.

If completely intact military hardware, and crested it "ought to be" worth more than that.

depending upon condition, that dollar amount would be about right, for a "shooter grade"  or a bubba'd '91 around here.
everything (especailly pre 98) has gone north of a century note these days.

photos, please?

yhs
prof marvel

[Sam Perfye]

I agree with Prof. Marvel, if it's in military configuration please leave it that way. Most parts are available, but some are rather pricey. A full length rifle stock alone will cost more than your original purchase. That being said, they are good shooters with for the most part better than average bores considering thier age. On the ones I've run across the bore tends to run on the big side. Tom and I have found that .312-.314 slugs shoot better than the .311 nominal that loading manuals call for. If you have any questions let me know and I'll try to answer them for you. Congrats on your find, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Al.

[pony express]

They are really nice rifles, I've got one that's in great shape, except for the crest ground. I've never seen one around here that still has the crest, but at least the grinding was done neatly.

Never shot any cast yet, but it shoots really well with jacketed.

[Grigori_Storri]

Well the Argentine is a pawnshop purchase. I promise to post a picture by tomorrow morning. I really had the time to look her over this morning at three am just before breakfast. I am not sure what if anything has been done to her. The stock in is really good condition there is no storage rust anywhere on the blue. The Butt plate is pitted from rust that will definately need attn. put some light into the pipe and upon inspection it does need to be cleaned looks like no less than fifty rounds were put through it and then put back in storage. The bolt reciever and barrel numbers all match which made me happy I have gotten rifles and pistols in the past that were all mixed up. But those were spanish rubies I got what I paid for. My only concern is the way the pin sits in th bolt it looks like an outtie and it may cause accidental discharge during action.

Now I have done some online pricing on the 7,65 argentine surplus ammo the prices are not bad. Now I know nothing about reloading I guess I will have to learn and learn quickly. Gentlemen I will need help to get pointed in right direction.

Professor Marvel, Ich ton nisht farshteyn "bubba'd", yenem a lemayle mikh. Vos yene?
For the non Yiddish speakers, I do not understand bubba'd, that is beyond me. what's that?

[cpt dan blodgett]

Get the latest lyman manual it is a good primmer

[Professor Marvel]

Professor Marvel, Ich ton nisht farshteyn "bubba'd", yenem a lemayle mikh. Vos yene?

Ach ya, machts nichts :-)

here is an example of a good argentine 1891, as issued:

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/2943-1891-argentine-mauser.html

here is an example of a "bubba'd" rifle:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/986746899/Guns/Rifles/Mauser-Rifles/German/1891_Argentine_Mauser_Loewe_Sporterized.htm
It was Bubba-sporterized by whacking off the forend and installing a QD swivel stud.

Technically, "Bubba" is  Southern slang expression that literally means "brother" . A "bubba's" rifle is a mil-surplus rifle, originally obtained cheaply or free, that has been cheaply modified to become a lighter-weight hunting riflre.

yhs
prof marvel

[Grigori_Storri]

A sheynem dank, Profesor Marvel. I live just outside Augusta Ga, Very familiar with the term Bubba but never heard it in same catagory with any weapon. Just always called it trickin out never found use for polymer stocks unless the original wood was too far gone for salvage and you could not find a replacement. the lite weight of the polymer always makes them barrel heavy to me. Honestly, that plastic makes me think of a buck rogers ray gun.

Capt Dan, I will look into the lyman manual. I hope it is within my budget. I am putting most of my house through college by working two jobs.

Pony Express and Shalako, Thank you as I get into this rifle I will be in contact in someway with you. Because you know alot more than I do about this rifle.

[JimBob]

Here's a place with some primary starting and disassembly information http://www.surplusrifle.com/argentine1891/index.asp 

[Grigori_Storri]

Suspicions were correct, she has been bubba'd. Did some homework and I have found yes she is a Loewe Carbine with B20** which places her in the 1893 birth year. Now the question is how hard would it be to find a milspec replacement stock.

[Bull Schmitt]

Check with this outfit:

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewcategories.asp?idCategory=38

or

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=224886082

Col Bull

[Sam Perfye]

Actually, you dodge a bit of a bullet by it being a carbine. Numrich gun parts should have everything you need to put it back to Mil-spec. They list a used military rifle stock that is in reality between rifle and carbine length. Other than the stock it appears all you need is the forward sling band & swivel and the nose cap. Be aware that surplus ammo will run about 1 out of 3 with dead primers. If your going to reload (highly recommended) it's worth the frustation to get the brass, also 30-06 brass can be cut & fireformed. For factory ammo try Przi Partizan (yugo) very good but way too hot for steel targets,  about2700 fps. Hope this helps, Al.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

I have an Argentine Model '08 (I was told that it was actually a '98 Mauser) that I believe is entirely stock other than the rotting sling I replaced as origiinal ... wet sanded and steamed the stock, replaced the finish with Deks Olje, serial # 814X, 7X57 mm round ... during some hard times I was offered $130 for it .... and  have no idea of its worth.

The '08 probably means that it is not legal for SASS or anything else ... which is a shame,'cause it is a tack driver ...

Any thoughts?

[Grigori_Storri]

Bull, thank you sir I really apreciate the direction I saved the links last night.

Al, I am taking it back to milspec because my youngest son found what I beloieve is a major flaw when whoever chopped it down. There is a problem with the stock I am glad he found it. I will eb forced to fix it before I ever put a round thru it. I am looking into getting the surplus ammo mostly for the brass. Will tell you this way back in the 80' I purchased an Egyptian Hakim Rifle and was given by the owner of the gunshop around 500 rds of Egyptian 8mm surplus ammo. Needless to say one round in five actually fired. but that was an intersting rifle. I still remembered what the shop owner said about it "like new never fired, only dropped once." We had alot of fun with it until it started falling apart. finally gave it to a friend of mine who was a gunsmith as scrap. But getting back to milling 30-06 brass, I will give that a try somewhere down the road. I am somewhere below a novice when it comes to reloading.

Ellis I dont know. I only know that everything has a time and place to shine. It's alot like preforming majic timing is everything.