uberti 1876/ dose any one load a 420 grain lead in nwmp with smokeless powder ??

[h c ramrod]

just lookin to see if any of you shooters have tried a 400 or 420 grn lead in the 45/60 carbines or any 1876 for that matter.
i tried a 405 with 19 grn of 5744 powder it seemed ok no sign of to much pressure, and was acurate.
i trceived some 420 grn gas checked lead and would like to use them in the 76.............
any info would be apreciated..........RAM

[Hobie]

If you search you might find where there was discussion of this early in the history of the forum.  That applied to the .45-75 cartridge though. 

[h c ramrod]

well i tried  3 rounds of 420grn gas checked lead with 4 greese groves
23grn of 5744 powder.
at 50 yards the group was about 3/4 inch . no sign of high pressure felt real good.
shot in the nwmp carb, cross fire trail mod. from uberti.
goin to go out and try them at 100&200 yards now .
   this is not something i am telling you to do , but its workin out so far for me. should be a good hunting load
goin to chronagragh them.

[Cimarron]

On page 124 of the Herbert G. Houze book "The Winchester Model 1876 Centennial Rifle" he shows a cut from the May 1,1878 general sales catalog of a "Winchester 1876 Long range".  The .45-75 case was loaded with 450 gr. paper patch bullet and 90 gr. of powder.  These were to be loaded one at a time as a single shot.  With 90 gr. of powder (if that much powder could even be put into the .45-75 case) the over all case length would prohibit anything other than single shot function.  Using smokless powder I see how you could load 405 or 420 grain bullets and still retain the repeater function with the .45-60 or .45-75 case.  Good luck and be careful with your experimentation.     

[h c ramrod]

THANK'S CIMMARON
           FOR THE REPLY I WILL POST MY RESULTS WHEN I DO THE LONG RANGE AND CHRONO TEST.......

[Hobie]

Ya know, there's somebody else who worked with that load and the data is in this forum somewhere... might help you some.

[h c ramrod]

well i am happy with the load, it chrono's at 1200fps  at 100yrds about a 3 inch group ( did not have a good rest ) i think thats a good excuse . i have some 405 grn heads back east , i will try them with 23 grn 5744 they might shoot better than the 420's .
i tried 300 grn jhp by hornady and they shoot a one hole group at 50 yrd with 26 grn of 5744 nice huntin load there.....
ok i will play some more, realy like that rifle ........ram

[h c ramrod]

WELL I CHRONGRAPHED THE 300 JHP WITH 26GRN 5744   45/60 NWMP CARB.
THE AVRAGED AROUND 1300FPS ... I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEN UP TO 1400 FOR HUNTIN
WILL TRY JUMPIN THE POWDER UP TO 27 AND TEST A FEW SEE HOW THEY WORK........RAM