Taylor 45-60

[Silverynhawk]

Hi Folks:

New to the site and hope to find great info on the Winchester 1876 replica I recently ordered. I haven't yet taken possession of the Taylor Arms replica 1876, chambered in 45-60, and I am curious as to what particular type of shell for which it was chambered. There is a lot of chatter on the web about cut down 45-70 parent brass and all the differences between the 45-60 originals and modified 45-70 shells. Does anyone have a Taylor Arms made rifle that prefers either one, or is it designed to work specifically with reproduction 45-60 shells that are true to the original design?  Thanks.

[Cimarron]

I think you will find that your Taylor/Uberti rifle will work with either method you choose.  The only difference is wether you want to make your brass (out of .45-70 brass) or buy the ready to use kind (to save a step).  The ready to use brass (like Jamison) will be head stamped .45-60.  This may or may not make a difference to you.  Good luck. 

[Dirty Brass]

IIRC, the 45/60 rim thickness was originally slightly less(.057 vs .068?) than the 45/70, so your gun may or may not need the thinner brass - depends on how close they followed the specs for headspacing. My Uberti Cimarron works fine with the cut down 45/70 brass....although I DID turn down about 40 empty cases at first, just to see if it was necessary.....it wasn't.

[Grizzly Adams]

Your rifle should work just fine with cut down 45-70 brass.  I use nothing but shortened 45-70 in my Uberti as well as my originals.  It is the cheapest way, once the work is down, they seem to last forever.

Enjoy that new rifle, and keep us posted on your adventures with the 1876.

[Silver_Rings]

Powder Inc https://www.powderinc.com/cgi-bin/bpstore/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=enter&thispage=index.html&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID! has new 45-60 brass for $96 per 100 plus $8 shipping.  The brass is by Jamison.

I've been happy with my Jamison brass, have reloaded it at least 5 times with no case splits.  After the first firing I just neck size the brass.

Have fun with the new rifle.  Working up loads for it are fun.

Silver Rings

[Silverynhawk]

Thanks for the input guys. The local gun store took delivery of my rifle today but the money is between accounts.  I think I am going to get 50 shells of Jamison 45-60 brass as well as a sample modified 45-70 just to play it safe. Taylor is a Uberti based rifle so the posts concerning the Uberti rifles should apply to my rifle as well.  

I am used to using American Pioneer Powder, formerly CleanShot, BP substitue (loose FFG) in my muzzleloader.  I wager I might stick with it to work up some loads initially.

What bullet weight is traditional for the 45-60? 300grs?

-----
Sorry guys. Had one too many "F"s in my powder grade.

[Grizzly Adams]

300 grain bullet with a full case of FFg American Pioneer, and you should be good to go.   

[MJN77]

Taylor is a Uberti based rifle so the posts concerning the Uberti rifles should apply to my rifle as well.  

Taylor's 1876 rifle IS a Uberti. It is the exact same rifle that Cimarron and Dixie gun works sells except for the Taylor's/Cimarron/DGW stamps on the barrel. Mine is a DGW.

[Silverynhawk]

Thanks for the input guys. Finally got rifle and brass together. I am used to using Starline brass, and they used to make brass for the 45-60.  They recommended annealing the case mouth for BP loads. Do any of you anneal your brass or load them as is?  The brass I have on hand is reproduction Jamison Brass.

[larryo_1]

Silverhawk:
Here is my 2 bits:  With new brass, I anneal prior to my first firing and then after about 10 or so rounds they get it again. Regardless whither it is BP or smokeless, I do this as a matter of practice.  Keeps the case mouths from splitting and what with the hi cost of the stuff it is well worth my while to do this.  Hope this helps.

[Silverynhawk]

Larryo_1

What is your method for annealing?  Other than annealing aircraft spark plug gaskets, I am completely green to the practice.

[larryo_1]

I just put some water in a pan that is on a lazy susan.  I fill up to just below the shoulder and with a propane torch, rotate the case that is in the middle of the pan until the color of the brass--at the case mouth starts to turn color.  I run that color down to just below the shoulder and then "tink" the case over into the water.  If you get the case mouth too hot it will ruin it so it takes a wee bit of practice to be sure.  When done right, the cases will look like they are done by the factory.  I have done lots this way and have never lost one to a goof up yet.  Hope this helps.

[Silverynhawk]

Thanks guys. I got to load some rounds for the rifle last week using Goex FFG and American Pioneer Powder FFG (a substitute). Dad videotaped me shooting one of each here at the house. He wanted to record it for posterity in case the rifle knocked me on my posterior  Everything went well with minimal drama. I even managed to hit the target, an empty one quart metal can, with both shots. I think the range was 50 yards, but it probably was less than 40 by the time I got in line with a decent backstop.