I just don't understand.

[RRio]

Capt. John and Doc,

I think you are missing the point. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they announce the 1875 Remington at the 2008 Shot Show? Here we are, almost a year and a half later, and still no word of when it is coming. And then to announce this Shooting Master series, that I doubt has generated very much interest in the CAS world, it's not hard to see why there are some frustrated folks out there. Personally, I'm not too worried about the Remington, myself, but I know there were and are a lot of folk looking forward to it.

And you are right, the CAS world is a very small segment of the shooting sports, but then it has been paying their bills for awhile, too.

I've said from almost the very beginning of SASS and CAS, that had Winchester and Colt had listened to customers, they could have OWNED the CAS market. But they didn't, and we see where they are, now.
Ruger, on at least two different occasions, did listen and we see where they are at. The question now is, what road is USFA going to go down?

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

They are probably being marketed to the boys out on the West coast. You would never see anything like that in Dixie.

        I'm from California, and none of my Pards cowboy/no cowboy, would be caught dead with a RAINBOW LOOKING piece of cr&^ like this,

                                                 TW 

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

If USFA only made replica firearms from the 1800's without enjoying the availability of technology and metals improvements to expand on those designs and build different variations of those firearms, they would have gone defunct in the beginning.  They have a responsibility to try out what is possible and where "SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS" express an interest.  Remember, "SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS" equates to much more than just Cowboy Shooters.  Another way to look at this is they did not have the internet back in the 1800's either!  Should USFA get rid of their web site?

      Doc, the bottom line is it comes down to choices, if your a SASS/CAS/NCOWS shooter your not going to have any interest in funny colored guns, if your a hunter/moderd shooter and want a camo colored gun , that's fine, although most hunters would opt. for a Ruger at this point. It all comes down to choices, and I can't see many if any wanting a Barbi and Ken gun like the one USFA are going to make, just think about it for a minute, I don't think modern steels, materials and technology  is the same thing we're talking about hear, they are eliminating all the SASS / CAS AND NCOWS Customer base, I don't know of many Company's that would take a good reputation like USFA, has and purposely thrash it like this, they have a waiting time for there preium models and Rodeo's so I'd say they are doing well without all the funny colored six shooters.... IMHO, not to mention the waiting list for the Remington...


                                                   tEN wOLVES 

[Doc Sunrise]

I guess where I am coming from is this, USFA obviously makes a great set of firearms that holds many people's interests such as CAS shooters, Cowboy lov'n Non-CAS shooters, Collectors, Single Action Shooters, and Colt lov'n look'n for quality not blinded by the Pony light enthusiasts, as well as some others.  If Colt had taken the SAA through different development stages to update with the times, who knows what they would have made.  If you browse through some of the current auction catalogs you will see many Colt SAA prototypes that went nowhere, nor did we ever hear about them where we could express any interest.  There is one very important shooter on the horizon that is the largest growing among all other shooters, and that is women.  And some of those women even hunt as well as participate in Cowboy shooting sports.  Maybe they will like some of the colors as well as those hunters that like the matte finishes for hunting. 

From my seat, I can not hold it against USFA for trying out different things.  It isn't interfering with my orders of the standard models already available, and I do not believe that it is standing in the way of the Remington models.  I truly believe the Remingtons have their own difficulties due to it being a joint venture as a licensed product, which I am sure there are issues that need ironed out.  Like Remington being bought.  I will agree shedding more light on the subject would be nice from the point of view of us in this forum, but from where USFA stands they must feel it better to not say anything just yet.  I can let it go at that and just hope for the project to keep moving forward.  I am not out any money, it has not prevented me from enjoying shooting, and it is no sweat off my back.  USFA can more than likely take their time on this one since nobody else is jumping to make the Remingtons the way USFA would make them.

Don't forget that USFA is a small company compared to the large military contracted companies.  They must proceed carefully, but they must try to proceed with the prevailing conditions they have recognized.  At least they are willing to try something different and throw ideas out there to see what we think.  There may be some bumps along the way, and I know for sure not anything ever goes as planned.                                       

Also, don't forget that those magnum series models will also be available in full blue.  Since it has been said that the premium blue finish is a more polish intensive finish over the matte finishes, I would expect to pay more for the full blue. 

[Digger]

1. the 58 will be so costly to stand alone as it may be unprofitable ( what with both USFA & Remington needing to show in the black ).

Hi Y'all,

The only reason Remington needs to be involved is if USFA wants to use their logo.  USFA is already selling a Colt that doesn't say Colt.  Forgo that one word and Remington can sit on the sidelines counting money they're not making.  Now if the whole thing was Remington's idea, and they're having trouble holding up their end, that might explain the problem.

Digger

[Major 2]

Rawhide Rio...I saw the two forgings at the 07 Shot Shot talked to Donnally..and his reply to my "when" question was vague
"Not to expect them this year" I took to mean 2007...

So Doc my question to you  With this statement...
There is one very important shooter on the horizon that is the largest growing among all other shooters, and that is women.  And some of those women even hunt as well as participate in Cowboy shooting sports.  Maybe they will like some of the colors as well as those hunters that like the matte finishes for hunting.
So your thinking is there are more women hunters "on the horizon" who might like the Colors...than CAS shooters ?

Secondly, I believe 10 Wolves is correct "
if your a hunter/modern shooter and want a camo colored gun , that's fine, although most hunters would opt. for a Ruger at this point. or Freedom Arms , Dan Wesson, Korth and S&W IMHO

I have no problem...If USFA makes Rainbow colors...just I'm thinking 1 year from now they will be history ( and perhaps rare and there for more collectable )
The USFA Lightning Rifle is history and the same goes for the BP guns they offered very briefly....and they were good marketing ideas. I just don't think the pretty colors will sell.... we will see 

[Doc Sunrise]

Major 2,
I do believe that is a segment that the matte finished colors may appeal to, as well as some male hunters.  Not that I know what is the underlying thinking, but it is possible.  Maybe they just wanted something different. 

For me, Freedom Arms and Rugers are my main hunting handgun choices.  To say my Freedom Arms locks up as tight as a bank vault and has unbelievable accuarcy and toughness is putting it lightly.

I do not believe that the magnum series was based on the main idea of colors.  Hopefully this series will morph into other offerings.

If you listen to the comments made from USFA such as "that model is not presently being made on the line" or "it is not currently in production" means something different than that model is dead, no longer to be made.  I take that as with limited line production capabilities and some products far more successful than others, those successful products will be taking up more production space and time and other items will take a back seat to be possibly made again at another time.  So, as the Major says, time will tell.