Evans New Model brass "sold"

[ndnchf]

Many years ago I had a small collection of Evans rifles.  I spent a lot of time and money acquiring all the necessary loading gear to be able to shoot them.  I sent a chamber cast from my Evans New Model  carbine to Huntington and had custom loading dies made.  I found an original mould and cast bullets, but due to its condition, I was not satisfied with the bullets.  I bought a number of original cartridges.   I pulled bullets from several original cartridges and sent them to Richard Hoch.  He made me a nose pour mould that exactly duplicated the original bullets.

The original and Hoch bullets were .419” diameter and around 390gr.  I made cases from .30-40 krag brass.  After a bit of load development , my NM carbine shot quite well;  2.5” -3” at 50 yards.  This is using a .419” bullet in a .427” groove diameter barrel.  Yep, that’s not a typo.  The bullet is about .008” under groove diameter.   That’s the way it was designed and it works using a soft alloy (30:1 or 40:1).    I  used black powder or pyrodex in my loads.   I also experimented with duplex loads, but would not recommend them now.  This was all back in the 1980s. 

After buying my first Evans, a Transition model carbine and doing a lot of research, I wrote an article about Evans rifles for “The Blackpowder Report” magazine back that appeared around 1985.  Geez, I can’t believe its been almost 25 years    It is online here:
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/blancard/evans.htm

Subsequent to this article, I acquired several more Evans New Models.  I ended up using a NM carbine for most of my shooting. Anyway, the point I’m getting to is that I was scrounging around and found a bag with 12 pieces of my homemade Evans NM brass.  Also, one dummy round made up using the Hoch bullet, one nice Hoch bullet and one empty original Winchester brand case marked “.44 EV.N.M”. 

I no longer have any use for these.  But with the renewed interest in these rifles, if someone would like to have them, I’ll I sell the lot for $25.00, shipping included. I’ll also include a copy of my Evans loading notes for the various loads I developed and my instructions for making Evans NM brass. E-mail me offline if interested.

Sorry, but the loading dies and Hoch mold are long gone, along with the rifles I had.   

[Herbert]

a belated thank you for that artical,i bought a new modle evans about 10 years ago made dies yousing measurments from chamber cast yoused 303 cut down and formed cases, didnt have much luck till i read your artical and realised i had to turn rim diameters down and that 30-40 brass was beter because it was already chanferd that fixed feeding problems but i could not get it to shoot till i got healed base mould .432 by280gr my groove diameter is .432,i nealy gave up on it ,started to think it was not ment to be acurat would be interested to know how otherd have fared ,i puled an original bulet it measured .419 it fell through barell, bullet was not  holow based ,so i never even thought about yousing a bullt that undersized,weard how some things work but after all the hair puling i think i will stick to healbased bullets and greescookis,i agree that smokless should be avoided evans is not a strong action but it a fun gun to yous wonce you have it worked out

[Two Flints]

Hello SSS,

I do so enjoy    this periodic renewed interest in the Evans Repeating Carbine and Rifle. See this thread on SSS for some additional information about the Evans  

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,21226.0.html


Two Flints

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[ndnchf]

There was a good reason that Evans bullets were so undersized.  With a 28 round magazine (34 for the old and transition models), fouling could quickly build up in the chamber mouth.  It could get so bad that succeding rounds would be difficult to chamber.  Undersize bullets would chamber even with excessive fouling.  By usuing a soft alloy and fast burning powder, bullets would usually expand to fill the grooves and still give reasonably good accuracy.  Using the original design .419" bullets, I was able to get 3" groups at 50 yards.  That's quite acceptable for a rifle like this.

By contrast, some military arms like the .50-70 trapdoors had extra long chambers, nearly .400" longer than the case, to leave room for fouling build up and still be able to chamber a round.  But these used groove diameter bullets.

[Bead Swinger]

ndnchf
I'm interested in your brass and goodies - I just ordered an Evans.
Please contact me off-list, so I can send you $$ 

Beadswinger - frezza001@gannon.edu

[Herbert]

the extra long chamber is also in armi sports spencer,on advice i yoused a lyman  515-141bv mould bullet lenth is .975 long i seated it out to touch the lands used 38 gr wano ff and it shoot lick a dream ,trouble is it has to be singly loaded,but it shows there is nothing wrong with armi sports barells just on sencers they have got the chamber demisions and twist wrong,i have shot 26 shot out of my evans into a 3 3/4 group using 30gr wano ff a felt wade then 1/4 inch greescooki carbord wade bufalow arms .432-280gr heal bsed bullet, i belive grees cookies stop the build up of crud in front of chamber or sofens it so the felt wade can clean it away, anyhow it is working havent pushed it past 26 yet,barell is prity hot after that

[ndnchf]

Herbert,

Glad to hear yours is shooting so well   They sure are a lot of fun to shoot aren't they? 

[ndnchf]

The brass is sold, pending receipt fo funds. Thanks.