44 conversion calibers

[ColonelFlashman]

I did say "all" didn't I? 

What was used in the 1858 Remington Conversions I guess is what I shoulda asked. However, thanks for the list.

I only have one or two books and these forums. Thanks to those that share their info.

In the book Metallic Cartridge Conversions on page 56 there is a pic of a Remington 1858 with six cartridges. It does not say what the cartridges are but they look to be centerfire.

Does anyone have a comparison pic of the 44 Colt and 44 Remington?

Excuse me, I don't have photographic memory!

The cartridge used in the Remington/Beals, '61 & NMA conversions (it was never known as a '58) are these;

.46 Remington Rim Fire, factory converted Remington/Beals, '61 & NMA .44 revolvers in '64/65-'72, after paying S&W royalties on the Rollin/White patent.

.44 Government Center Fire, designed & produced @ Frankfort Arsenal for ALL percussion revolvers converted by the Arsenal, w/ an improved version produced later out of the Rock Island &/or Springfield Arsenals.

.44 Remington, designed by Remington as a Proprietary Cartridge for its factory converted Remington/Beals, '61, NMA  .44 revolvers & the '75 NMA cartridge pistole.

Unless it's been taken down, I posted one a while ago, do a search to see if it's still here.

[Bryan Austin]

Excuse me, I don't have photographic memory!

The cartridge used in the Remington/Beals, '61 & NMA conversions (it was never known as a '58) are these;

.46 Remington Rim Fire, factory converted Remington/Beals, '61 & NMA .44 revolvers in '64/65-'72, after paying S&W royalties on the Rollin/White patent.

.44 Government Center Fire, designed & produced @ Frankfort Arsenal for ALL percussion revolvers converted by the Arsenal, w/ an improved version produced later out of the Rock Island &/or Springfield Arsenals.

.44 Remington, designed by Remington as a Proprietary Cartridge for its factory converted Remington/Beals, '61, NMA  .44 revolvers & the '75 NMA cartridge pistole.

Unless it's been taken down, I posted one a while ago, do a search to see if it's still here.

I'll try a search again. Google shows basicly nothing!!!

Thanks for this info....again...sorry for the repeat questions.

[ColonelFlashman]

I'll try a search again. Google shows basicly nothing!!!

Thanks for this info....again...sorry for the repeat questions.

That's because, like some here believe & the majority of the Firearms world @ large, that the .44 Remington & Colt's cartridges are one & the same. Which means that the .44 Remington Proprietary Cartridge has been removed from all current listing in Cartridge & Loading data books.

I've several original & reproduced Cartridge Catalogs & Reloading books from the Victoria/Edwardian Era's that Do list the .44 Remington & Colt's cartridges as Two completely different & separate rounds w/ all loaded & unloaded dimensions, powder charges, & bullet weights loaded for them.

[Black River Smith]

Colonel

I totally agree with you.

The original 44Rem casing has a 0.448 diam while the original 44 Colt casing is 0.457.  These measurement come from the Dixie Gun Works Catalog and  casing that I have bought.  See the cartridge conversion table.  The standard modern 44 series run 0.453 to 0.455 up to 0.457 maybe.  My sizers take a 44 Mag down to 0.453

The original Rem bullet would fit into a 44 colt chambering but not visa versa.

The original Rem percussion chambers were 0.450 or 0.451.  So I believe they straight bored 0.450 chambers and built a casing 0.002 smaller to fit.  Original 44Rem 1875 had this same smaller chamber.

A lot of people have this mixed up because of the modernization of the 44Colt casing built around the modern 44 series.  The original 44 colt was larger than what is being produced today.  I have bought and measured several originals and I shoot the modern.