EDITED: Maybe I should reconsider? "Slugged my barrel today"

[Bryan Austin]

Jack . . . if'n ya mold hollow based connical bullets it won't matter the way your chambers and bore are.   Get one box of the hollow based connicals from Cabelas and give them a try.  My Piettas shoot GREAT with them.  I fired a 18 round rapid fire group at 15 yards that measured 4 inches with them.  ( was shooting rapid fire and swapping cylinders ).  I've never have got around to shooting a 6 round group from a bagged rest but I figure it'd make one ragged hole.   That is an inexpensive way to find out how it will shoot with hollow base bullets.  Just my $ .04  worth ... . . . . . 

Which ones? The Slick Dry Lubricated for $17 or the other for $7.88? per 50

[Wolfgang]

The ones I have are the slick ones, . . though I got mine before they started offering them with a new coating.  Expensive but shoot GREAT.  I still have a few of 'em.  I wasn't aware of the ones for  $ 7.88  I'll have ta take a look . . . 

[Bryan Austin]

I got the $7.88 ones. There is onlt 50 so lube is not that much of a problem for splattering stumps and logs...lol

[Wolfgang]

Jack . . I just looked.  The $ 7.88 ones on sale are the ones I have.  Apparantly Cabelas is selling off the old stock in the "bargain cave".  They do have a "dry lube" on them.   Not the nowl offered "slick silver" . . . whatever the h.... that is ? . . . I just tried to order me some and can't get the order gidget to work.  I'll try again.  At that price I'll get some more. 

Good shootin', . . . . and Christmas too . . . . 

[Bryan Austin]

Darn, gonna be after New Years before they get here!

[Wolfgang]

Which ones? The Slick Dry Lubricated for $17 or the other for $7.88? per 50

I just orderd 6 boxes of 'em at that price.   Should be enough until someday I get around to casting my own. 

Good shootin', . . . . 

[Bryan Austin]

Maybe I should reconsider?

Today I shot two groups of five .454 balls and one group of 45 colt. Each group was five shots. 25 yard target but set to 10 yards. No cleaning between groups. Two groups of balls then one group of 45 colts.

1. Balls - Hornady .454 w/30 grains Pyrodex P and wonder wads
2. Bullets - J/P Big Lube .452 w/40 grains Pyrodex P
3. From a rest on a forked stick, gun resting on fork on loading lever with slight downward pressure.

In the picture

My first three shots were high and grouped 1 1/4".
Adjusted aim about half way down front sight. Last two balls from first group hit low and to the left of bulls eye. Grouped 1/2". Using original sighting...1st shot of second group hit, again, high just a top first group making that area 1 11/16 grouping.
Using adjusted sighting, last four shots of second group hit the bulls eye area grouping approx 1".
The third grouping was using second and last adjusted sighting. First shot hit high and to the right of bulls eye. Second shot hit low to the left of bulls eye while the last three grouped inside the bulls eye.

[Bryan Austin]

Oh yeah, got Dick Dasterdly's loading stand today too. Nice!!!

[Wolfgang]

And yur complainin'  . . . ? . . . wait until ya shoot it with the hollow base connicals . . 

Those gun designers 150 years ago new what they were doing.   And even though these are eye-talian copies of 'em they shoot damn GOOD . . . 

[Bryan Austin]

I ain't complain'n anymore....lol

[Willie Dixon]

I have a request please,

for a complete noob, can you make a tutorial on how to slug the barrel on a Remington and get all those measurements?
or at least maybe a glossary key so I know what all those terms mean?

I've custom built my own 427 Small Block V8 for my El Camino, so I have the instruments, and the capabilities, it just all sounds like a different language right now until I get to know the lingo!  Back in the military, I had Gunner's mates do it for me, since they all loved my old school 1911s... and now I know which bullet for what and why for that, but no knowlege of how they got there.

thanks

[Bryan Austin]

Someone will come on here shortly and tell ya real good how to do it. I'll try.

1. Remove the cylinder
2. put a lead ball on the end of the barrel
3. start the ball by tapping it inside from the muzzle end. Then get a wood dowel to tap it the rest of the way down the barrel.
4. when the ball pops out the breech, pick it up and take a gander at the grooves. With your mic, measure the "raised portian" across the bullet. This is the groove inside the barrel.

Again, someone will come on here and post some links with pics....I can not remember where they are!!

This will get ya started.

[Bryan Austin]

Here is a link

http://books.google.com/books?id=IV8IzXysjeUC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=slugging+gun+barrel&source=web&ots=aZBOmHxEUf&sig=TK1PqSx6BLGycLOFeubAiTHPJWQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA66,M1

[Willie Dixon]

sweet.  thank you very much.  that's exactly all I needed.  I just wanted to make sure I was "getting" it right vs doing something rather "stoopid" lol.

I know Pietta isn't all that great and all on QC sometimes, so I want to make sure I mould the right balls for my Rem.

I actually had a gunsmith/demo pro friend rifle the barrel on my flintlock for giggles, and it increased the range by about 150%!  shot within the 10-8 mark on the paper (about 4" diameter or so) from 35 yards!!

he's helping me, but sometimes I just gotta know more so I can prove to him I'm researching on my own too.  Thanks again.

[Bryan Austin]

I just remembered an error in my description. The three high shots were not point of aim but rather the opposite. I aimed too low on the front sight, well below half way down where the sight fans out in width. I for the life of me could not figure out how I hit there using POA. It just didn't make sense until I read an article in Guns Of The Old West Summer 2002 #29. After reading the article the author made me remember that I was shooting 200 grn bullets. He mentions that the Pietta front sight, same with Uberti) is higher than the originals allowing for POA for a 25 yard target using 255 grain bullets. IN another article I remember another arthor using the 200 grain bullets resulting in a 3" drop on hits. The 255 grain bullet should pull my hits to POA at 25 yards and almost POA at the 10 yards.

What ya think? I don't have any 255 grain bullets so it will be a while before I can try it. 

[GunClick Rick]

Ok now i get what your talkin bout.