Looking for info, on a mould #457658 I think that is a Ideal mould

[Ace Lungger]

 :)Good Moring all,
I am needing advice, i am looking for a 457658 mould, i believe it is a Ideal mould, what I would like to know, is anyone using this mould, and if so does it drop a 457dia, 458dia, 459dia, I have notivce that not allway do mould drop the dia. that is stated in the number.
Also, if  anyone has a used one for sale let me know!
I woild be most great full for any and all advice!
Thanks
ACE

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Ace;  Check out the Lyman Mould Chart.  Use the search function, The link has been posted several times on cascity.

It is a relatively new mould for BPC Silhouette shooters, as indicated by the high numbers for the last three digits.  It has a very long sharp ogive.  I bought one but never used it as the RCBS 45 -500 bullet, that came out at about the same time, works so well in my Pedersoli Sharps.  Now that the Sharps is a Gemmer, I am mostly using the 457193.

I have been following your journey, and think that you will be very happy with a bullet of about 400 grains, plus or minus 50 grains.

[Ace Lungger]

 :)Sir Charles, what do you think of the 457124 it is 385grains. My biggest problem with the first go aroung with trying to sight my rifle in was all ME, I done some very dumb stuff!! To many years of loading smokeless I have found that when dealing with accurate Black Powder loading, is as much of a science if not a lot more than smokeless target shooting! I am learning that the black Powder Target loads are more of a extreme under taking that smokeless.
Sir Charles, why do you think I need a smaller bullet? Is it my back injury? This is going to sound so dumb, but one  thing I cannot give up is I have to shoot a pointed as possible bullet! You know, I am not going to shoot comp. my long rang shooting is for me and me only. Because of the cost difference between B.P. Shooting and Smokeless powder shooting, I won't shoot my 45-70's over 300 rounds a year! i have all plans of building a Hi Wall in 32-40, I will be able to shoot that gun, for less than you can load 30-06. I helped a friend sell a truck for him, he ordered a 80%Sharps from Dodge City Kansas, and when he gets it, he is going to give me his Lee Shavers 22 insert. My friend shoots a 500gr bullet pour out of a Houch top pour mould! i can use it any time I want! But I won't do that. He takes his shooting very sereous, and claims, that the 22LR shot out of that liner carries about the same ballastics as his load for his 45-70 load. He tells me it is the only way to practice?
I would be great full for your help!
Greg

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Ace;  Everything I've ever heard about external ballistics is that a sharp point is NO ADVANTAGE at or below the speed of sound.  About 1100fps.  The 457124 has a neat round nose, and at 385gr. (nominal), it should be just what you need.

I don't have that one, but keep working on it.  As you gain experience it should be your cats meow.

It is largely projectile weight that creates recoil.  457658 is nominally 480 gr., and if you seat it out to touch the rifling, you will need more powder which will add even more recoil.

[Ace Lungger]

Sir Charles,
If I go to the 385 grain bullet, won't it have a long ways to jump to get to the rifleings? I am only asking these questions because I do not know the asnwers I have to ask! where I got this seating the big bullet right up to the rifling, from what I read that dick Dasterly did. I have read a lot of articles and books about loading the B.P. Cartidge, put one thing that is jumped around is the subject we are talking about. I am so greatfull for your help! I have read thatsome rifles like a little jump and some don't. That is why I am kepping a log, will every bit of data I can put in it. But there is so much to learn, and the best way to learn, is to be out shooting and Recording where and how each shot places and try to figure out why? I hate to buy cheap moulds like the one I have, but I don't have the money to go buy 4-5 Lyman moulds, to find out which works for this rifle.
I am great full for your help, and if you have more info for me, I will be great full!
Greg

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

It is the distance from the base to the front of the driving band that counts. A quick glance at the mould table shows that the '124 is about the same or slightly longer in that regard than the '658.  (I don't have the actual bullets to compare.)

Can you acquire some pre-cast '124's?

[Ace Lungger]

I ask on some forums about a place that I came acrossed that would sell you small amounts of differnt bullets, but I don't remember where I posted it! Do you happen to seen that site?
Thanks greg

[Sgt. Jake]

    Ace    I have the 457124,when I cast with 1/20 tin lead they weight 408 grs. . They shoot well in my 45 2 1/10,Im droptubing 63 grs. by weight of the lot#. of swiss 1 1/2 I have been using the last few years,for about 0.35 compression. I use a walthers 0.60 fiber wad over the powder,Ive only shot it out to 500 yds. works well at least to that distance,most matches in my neck of the woods dont go that distance. If you message me with your info, I will send you a box of 50 ct. so you can try em out ,I size them at .459 and lube them with DD s Pearl Lube. Ive got a bad back,but the real reason for me is the unhealthy,detached retina that I have for my right eye. I understand health problems,took me a couple of three years to learn to quit pulling the longarm up to the right side. The eye is still in the socket,mech.attached ,but nobodys home in there.                 Adios  Sgt. Jake

[Ace Lungger]

Jake, would you sell me some un lubed 124's, If you don't want to, I understand!
Sir Charles and Jake, what do you think of this mould .458" 385 Grn. Saeco RN Bullet , I found a place to buy a sample pack of 100, but i think I will have to remove the lube and relube?
Tell me what you think? and what handles do Saeco moulds used, and they are price'ies!
Greg

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Ace;  I don't have either mould so I can't advise.  I would say that you could try them both and compare. 

Sgt Jakes offer sounds great, take him up on it!

[Dick Dastardly]

The Big Lube™ DD/PRS 45-70 490 grain RNFP bullet has proven to be a fine bullet out to 500 yards.  There's a picture on the web site.  Click the banner below on my post to get there.

DD-DLoS

[French Jack]

Check with Buffalo Arms, they sell moulds, cast bullets, with or without lube, and all items necessary.  You can check their website at: http://www.buffaloarms.com  ....You can call and they will try to answer any questions.

[Ace Lungger]

Jake I sent you a pm!
Dick, your bullet looks great, and I have heard good things about it, I just can't afford your mould! Under my sisitaion, I won't shot 300 bullets year!
Thanks for the heads up! and I had allready look at your mould!
FJ, I will go check them out!
Yhanks ACE

[Sgt. Jake]

   Was chatting with Ace on the phone,I had mentioned to him ,had he ever heard of the Sandy Hook Tests of 1879? He replied he hadnt,between cooking dinner I located it in my files,e mailed him the link,thought some others might like to read it. If youve seen it before forgive me,if not you might be interested.     http://home.earthlink.net/~sharpsshtr/CritterPhotos/SandyHook/SandyHook.html      Ace the 457124 s will go out in tomorrows mail              Adios  Sgt. Jake

[Ace Lungger]

 :)Thats great Jake, but I am going to be gone untill next Sat. so if you want to wait and mail them in the middle if the week, that would be okay to! What every you want to do!
Thanks ACE

[Sgt. Jake]

     Ace    Will do,Ill take them to the post office on wed.   Make Smoke and Good Shootin           Jake

[French Jack]

Ace-- if you are not going to shoot more than 300 rounds a year, you would be better off to buy the bullets already cast, sized and lubed.  You need to try out some different ones to see which one shoots the best, then buy those from then on.