Myth regardin BP...........

[Paladin UK]

Any pards here know WHEN/WHY the myth wuz started regardin the cleanin of BP smokepoles!!

I gotta tell ya`ll iffn it hadn't been for the handgun ban here in the UK I would NEVER of even contemplated shootin, usin BP as my propellant!!

Purely because of the rumors that abounded regardin the instability and mess involved with shootin these firearms.

Soooooo...............
In some ways I`m still sad that I aint got my .40 Tang combat and other cartridge pistols.   BUT,  I`m Reel glad that I`ve found cowboy shootin `n`.... The Dark Side!!

Hell, I wouldn't be chewin the cud with you pards!! `n` that would be a DANG CRIME IN ITSELF!!!

Paladin (What lurvs BP!! ) UK

[Frenchie]

When: The first time some doofus was too lazy to clean his "gonne" after firing it. Amazing how even p***-poor excuses can have long lives, eh?

Why: The salts used in priming compounds for many, many years were far more corrosive than the BP fouling. The fouling didn't cause corrosion as much as it absorbed moisture from the air which then reacted with the iron and priming compound salts and rusted the bores of guns owned by lazy shooters!

[Dick Dastardly]

Frenchie has iron in his words.

When "staynless" primers first showed up in factory only loads, so did heathen fad smokeyless powder.  The manufacturers made it sound like Holy Black was the ruin of all guns.  Heck, it was the corrosive primers.  Now, if those same shame faced manufacturers had made 'staynless' primers available to reloaders, Holy Black would be just another fine powder.

As it is, we have the truth.  We won't loose it again to some Olin marketing scheme.  Holy Black is here to stay and it's winning back a good piece of the market share.

Love the Boom!

DD-DLoS

[Arcey]

I ain't bebatin' cleanin', how soon or with what no more. Bored with it. Kindah akin ta the Heap Bad Medicine loads.

Anyone wantin' ta challenge what I'm doin', get up with me ta work the details out 'n bring all the money ya can stand ta lose. In cash. That'll settle it.

[Fiddler Green]

I hear that all the time " I don't like cleaning, I like shooting". Then I ask them "don't you clean your guns after shooting them" And, they get all offended and say "of course I do!" and I say "what's the diffrence?

Then, since I shoot cap and ball,  it becomes a debate on loading I get the "I like to spend my tim e shooting, not reloading". So, it becomes the "So, you spend your reloading time in the garage and I do it at the range,........I'll take the range!"

I really think it's mostly people are just afraid of pouring powder directly into a firearm. That explains why I keep seeing really nice, used muzzle loaders for sale that have never been fired. It's really to bad.

Bruce

[Black Powder]

I like cleaning afterwards.  Another excuse to hold 'em before they got to be put away.

BP

[Marshal harpoluke]

 


Touch Da Gun,


Feel Da Gun,


Become one with Da Gun,


Become one with the Spirit of Da Gun.

[Paladin UK]

Well pard/etts I gotta tell ya`ll..

I kin clean any of my BP pisotlas QUICKER (`n` thoughrely too  ) than when I use ta clean my .357 S&W 686 combat master 

Paladin (What actually LIKES cleanin his smokepoles  ) UK

[Ransom Gaer]

PUK,

I agree.  One time I used my 1866 Win. at a Pistol Caliber Lever Action Silhouette match and used smokeyless rounds in it for the match.  Took forever it seemed to clean the thing.   Won't shoot smokeyless in it ever again.  It takes me no time to clean it after shooting BP through it after a match.

Ransom Gaer

[Fiddler Green]

I like cleaning afterwards.  Another excuse to hold 'em before they got to be put away.

BP

Yea, it helps you to understand the firearm, too. I think about how it must have been, cleaning your firearms, by oil lamp or campfire light. It sure make me glad I have that extra set of floresents in the garage!

Bruce

[Fiddler Green]

PUK,

I agree.  One time I used my 1866 Win. at a Pistol Caliber Lever Action Silhouette match and used smokeyless rounds in it for the match.  Took forever it seemed to clean the thing.   Won't shoot smokeyless in it ever again.  It takes me no time to clean it after shooting BP through it after a match.

Quite frankly, I don't get the whole idea of shooting BP in cartridges, anyway. To me, shooting BP is about pouring powder into the gun and not into the reloading press. But, I guess, to each their own.

Bruce

[Ransom Gaer]

The on;y cartridges I shoot with BP in them were ones that were originally developed using BP.  Those include .45 Colt, .45 Schofield and .45-70.  I seem to have a thing for .45 as well.   The way I see it BP cartridges are all a part of firearms developement and are part of history.  That is part of the reason I am in CAS to begin with.

I also have an 1859 Sharps Carbine in .54 Percussion.  I make paper cartridges for it.   It's a whole lotta fun to shoot too.

Ransom Gaer

[Doctor Bill]

I went out and shot  a number of pistols the other afternoon.  Some was practice and some was just to fire some pistols that I hadn't used in a while.  Those that were shot with smokless were using Red Dot powder behind commercially purchased hard lead bullets with whatever lube the company put on them.  Cleaning took forever.   Just when I would think I had scrubbed enough I'd run another new patch through and it would come out with gray all over it.  Thought the barrel was rubbing off on it.  The pistols that were shot with black powder cleaned up with only two or three patches.  Probably would be even faster if I would really trust those bore snakes I bought a while back.

Doctor Bill

[Wills Point Pete]

 Why the myth? Part of it was propaganda, when Smokeless was new few people reloaded for it, shooters simply had no expertise in using those smaller, higher pressure charges. Many shooters still loaded with BP, though. The ammo companies of the day hated that, they made their money selling loaded cartridges.

Then, as the BP generations died off, folks forgot how to clean the guns. So shooters would try to clean a BP gun without any water. Since they didn't know any better, they got rust. Ooops!

[Dick Dastardly]

Gentlemen, Pards all,

Holy Black never was the culprit.  It was the victim.  It was the dang primers.  When "Staynless" primers became available, they were only put in new FACTORY made ammo.  The rest of us were stuck with the corrosive stuff.  So, Holy Black got a bad name.

Now, with them non corrosive primers widely available for us what choose to reload them little brass bottles with our own choices, it seems that Holy Black ain't near so corrosive as it was once taught.

Black Powder is a fine propellant.  It is very capable of giving STANDARD DEVIATIONS that heathen powder is hard pressed to duplicate.  In fact, when it comes to very Long Range rifle shooting with cast bullets, Holy Black is winning over all the other powders.

Black Powder is alive and well.  We are relearning how good it is.

DD-DLoS

[Paladin UK]

DD says.........

Black Powder is alive and well.  We are relearning how good it is.

+1

Paladin (What agrees 100%  ) UK