Jaeger Rifle sling

JD Alan · June 13, 2009, 08:53:32 AM

I'm curious, are you going to shoot this rifle? It's such an elegant work of art-craftsmanship, It could easily be used as a show piece. I would hate to take a chance on getting it marked up, even a little bit. It seems no matter how careful I try to be, I tend to get things scratched up. It's an amazing rifle.

Gun Butcher · June 13, 2009, 07:11:30 PM

Saddler, thanks for chiming in. I really like that style, it would look great with a walnut dye on the webbing. I am assuming that the material is webbing of some type

. If you would be so kind I would like to know your source for that material.

Yes JD, I do plan on shooting the rifle. I am one of those poeple who believe that use, without abuse, is a good thing. I tried to buy a $5000.00 shotgun one time and ended up putting the money back in the bank three times before i gave up on it. Just could not see using a gun that expensive and I don't believe in wallhangers. At least for myself. Don't get me wrong, I love looking at those kinds of things but if I feel like I can't use something then i don't need it.
The Jeager is my fourth self built muzzleloader and I won the builders match in Wisconsin with two of them. If I can get there this next spring I hope to win a thrid time.
At any rate Thank you for the kind words. They are appreciated.

saddler · June 14, 2009, 08:38:37 AM

Quote from: Gun Butcher on June 13, 2009, 07:11:30 PM
Saddler, thanks for chiming in. I really like that style, it would look great with a walnut dye on the webbing. I am assuming that the material is webbing of some type . If you would be so kind I would like to know your source for that material.

I tried to buy a $5000.00 shotgun one time and ended up putting the money back in the bank three times before i gave up on it. Just could not see using a gun that expensive and I don't believe in wallhangers. At least for myself. Don't get me wrong, I love looking at those kinds of things but if I feel like I can't use something then i don't need it.

Hi GunButcher

Yes, its a cotton webbing. Traditionally used here for girth straps & regimental military "stable belts".
I have about 30 to 40 rolls of all sorts of colours, shades, etc...I'm more than willing to send pics of them. In Europe, a lot of the better off families with family crests/coats of arms have also got traditional family colours. These folk tend to buy accessories themed with these same colours - that way, when a load of almost identical gunbags/cartridge bags/game bags are in the back of a Land Rover, its easy to grab the correct ones quickly.
If you need more info on any of the webbing please let me know, always keen to help.

Jon

p.s. Er, I used to work for Browning about 18 years ago - the TRADE price on some of the B25's was £35,000 THEN

. A mate here has an old Holland & Holland double which he uses several times a week - worth about £12,000.
(For equivalent US $ prices multiply by 1.6

)

WaddWatsonEllis · June 14, 2009, 09:42:19 AM

FWIW,

I have a Braziliam Mauser '98 in 7 X 57 that I restored and occaisionally shoot.

I was lucky enough to get the orirginal (rotting) leather sling with the gun. So I took it to a local saddle shop that wass very welll known for its repairs and asked them if they could replicate the leather. When a gun shop reblued it for me, the also reblued all the sling hardware.

So now I have a period correct 'new' sling ...

Gun Butcher · June 14, 2009, 08:32:02 PM

Wadd, that is sort of what I will be going for a period correct "new" sling. I like that Mauser. I am kind of partial to old military arms I have a Enfield that I have been meaning to make a sling for one of these days. Maybe I will do that at the same time I do the Jaeger.

Saddler, I sure appreciate the info and if I may, what do you have in a dark brown that would be suitable for the sling and also a hunting/ gamebag.
The way my business has been going lately all I will ever do is look at guns like the B25 or the Holland. Of course there is always the lottery. Who knows, my luck might change.

saddler · June 15, 2009, 03:07:21 AM

HI GB

I'll have a look through today & see what I have that may be suitable

And ENFIELD slings: I make these as one of my main products - which model Enfield have ya got? I have the sling patterns for all Enfields from the 1853 model onwards...Always willing to share pics/plans

Jon

Gun Butcher · June 15, 2009, 10:18:34 PM

Saddler, I would appreciate your checking your stock. The Enfield is a Mk IV I have had for about 20 yrs. and it is an absolute tack driver and a joy to shoot. Any pics or patterns you might be willing to share would be first rate.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · June 15, 2009, 11:09:13 PM

Every mil stock Mk IV I've seen had a web sling as the issue item. I believe that a "fashion" for sharpshooters would be to use a USA leather sling.

Rattlesnake Jack might know

Gun Butcher · June 16, 2009, 09:26:47 PM

Thank you Sir Charles, I have a 1903 Springfield with an original leather sling would that be the type you are talking about?

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · June 16, 2009, 10:25:57 PM

That's the one. It would never be considered as "correct", but lets say a Johnny Canuck won a poker game, and the G.I. Joe forfeited the sling. In target shooting, a variety of leather arm cuff styles were used by the pot-hunters (seekers of trophy silver!) For awhile I used a US sling during target shooting.

The web sling can be found here. About 30" long with brass fittings on each end with open brass loops. Run the sling through the swivels, squinch the webbing and worry it into the open loop hooks. After both ends are secure, slide the ends down the webbing to adjust as desired. Is that clear?

saddler · June 17, 2009, 07:35:11 AM

Hi

Er, the NO.4 rifle (Mk IV indeed

- bl**dy colonials!!

) was as correctly state issued with a Canvas/Webbing sling.
Its previous incarnation, the WW1 issue SMLE (No1.MkIII) mainly had this sling too.

The No.4(T) Sniper version DID use the US M1907 Pattern sling as standard however - as part of the CES (Complete Equipment Schedule) for the rifle

The earlier Pattern '14 (P.14) .303 was mainly used with the leather sling from either the Pattern '03 Leather Equipment or the Pattern '14 Leather Equipment. This was also normally the case when the US M1917 rifle (30-06) was issued to British Home Guard units in WW2 - it came with/was used with a P14 leather sling

The 303 Martini rifles also used a leather sling.

SHARPSHOOTERS were normally catered to by the various products found in the Parker-Hale Catalogue (most offerings were of the single point style - hence no use as military slings per se)

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · June 17, 2009, 09:38:46 AM

"Mark" my words, Saddler. I won`t make that mistake again. In my defence I merely failed to correct an earlier statement by someone who probably didn`t know. I should have.

Gun Butcher · June 17, 2009, 10:37:21 PM

SIr Charles, the webbing info was very clear. Thanks.

I suppose it was I who started the Mk IV thing and I am not at home where I can see it but I would swear that it has that stamped on it. I was wrong once

Saddler, I appreciate the info. I am also proud to be one of those #%&* colonials . We have been here since 1649 so I guess you could say we have made a successful conversion. BUT, we have always been proud of our heritage

WaddWatsonEllis · June 17, 2009, 10:45:10 PM

May I remind our brother from accross the sea that if it were not for those bl**dy colonials!!" the national language of the British Isles would be German. Twice over.

Said with a smile and a warm handshake ...

saddler · June 18, 2009, 04:31:53 AM

Quote from: WaddWatsonEllis on June 17, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
May I remind our brother from accross the sea that if it were not for those bl**dy colonials!!" the national language of the British Isles would be German. Twice over.

Said with a smile and a warm handshake ...

nicely put

(esp. as I spent the week leading up to June 6th IN Normandy retracing the route of the US 90th Inf - the Tough 'Ombres - from Utah Beach inland. We were a group of 11 & were not only in FULL uniform & equipment - with Jeeps - but we lived out in the fields, or on some nights lived IN WW2 foxholes, plus to finish the week off we then portrayed 101st Abn troops so we could do the Carentan Death March on June 7th. How I finished the full 20K in NEW Corcorans I'll never know $:-\$
Oh, and for the last 2 days it rained - LOTS)
Slightly off-period but possibly of interest to some of the guys on here

WaddWatsonEllis · June 19, 2009, 12:12:21 PM

Saddler,

We have some connections here. I am an Air Force Brat, and spent my Junior High years at Phalsbourg and Toul Rosieres AFBs.

I have walked Verdun and St Mihielle, my father played golf on a part of the Siegfried Line ... and fields near my house still bore the signs Attention Mines/Achtung Minen.

And after eight years in Pararescue earlier in my life, I think some of the caluses from the Corcorans are just fading now ... I have come to believe that your feet adapt and grow into the Corcorans, and not vice versa