1860 36 cal C&B

[Gun Butcher]

I have been shooting BP for 25 years as a buckskinner> I just got started in CAS and haven,t laid out any cash as yet for shooting irons. I guess I am having growing pains or somthin. I can see the need for more than one shot but draggin me into the late 19th century all at once is hurtin me bad. So, I am thinkin about C&B pistolas. Am I wrong or what. And besides I have always thought the 1860 was one of the slickest looking irons of all time. SOmebody set me straight or put me out of my misery ...or somethin.
                                          Butcher
                                             Who always thought more than one shot was a cryin shame.

[Major 2]

Nothing wrong at all with going C&B for CAS.
Your into Buck skinning, so history is already embedded in you, if your in it for the fun C&B is a natural.

You'll need to know the 1860 Army was 44 cal., the 1861 Navy was 36 cal.

[Gun Butcher]

 :-[You are absolutely right sir,and I was actually talking about the 1862 police< I don't know where that other came from. Thanks for the reply,and for not telling me i need a bigger bang. Now how about extra cyl., do I need more than 2 per gun?

[Major 2]

Nope...

there are types, that might I say "might" think you were slowing them " Gamers " down or "might complain your extra time at the loading table might keep you from some of the extra duty ( picking up spent brass, or spotting perhaps observing the loading tables etc.

It takes a bit more time to load a C&B revolver safely than a conversion or those new fangled 1873 revolvers etc.
That is a given....
I use 1860's and Richards conversions, I use my time to load the C&B's safely.
I help set up , tear down and Build the set pieces for the stages.
I'm not in the hobby for speed , I do it for History, the fun and as relaxation from and already TO FAST paced world.

[Pettifogger]

Again, just to make sure you wind up with what you want, you need to make sure you really want a "62 Police."  An actual Colt 62 Police and the Uberti replicas are small frame light duty five shot firearms.  They aren't suited to prolonged CAS shooting.  Pietta makes a thing called the "62 Army Police."  Historically, there was no such gun.  What Pietta has done is shorten a 61 Navy and add a fluted cylinder.  It is a full size six shot revolver and much better suited to CAS shooting.

[Ransom Gaer]

There ain't nothing wrong with your wantin' to shoot c&b pistols.  I do it all the time.  I usually shoot 1860 Armies.  Among other things I like the bigger grips on the 1860 Army than the grips on either the 1851 and 1861 Navies.

At matches I see people shooting 1851 Navies and 1860 Armies.  Don't see many 1861 Navies and I don't know why.  Eventually I will get a pair of them for my own use.

As far as extra cylinders and such, what I do is occupy the unloading table and supervise shooters at the unloading table and at the same time charge the cylinders on both revolvers at the same time.  Cap at the loading table.  Works great for me.  And I am doing posse chores at the same time.  Works good for everybody.  I've gotten loading powder, lubed wad and roundball down that it takes me about 2 minutes to charge five chambers in each revolver.  If you want to go the extra cylinder route I know some do.  For myself, I don't see the need.

If you have any other questions we will be more than happy to answer them.

Ransom Gaer

[hellgate]

Don't bother with extra cylinders just get an extra gun. A five shot "reload" stage for a C&Ber is performed by merely stashing an extra gun that is charged up but uncapped. To "reload" the gun the shooter merely caps and shoots. Works slick. I always take 3 or 4 guns to every match i.e. spares for any stages with more than a one shot reload and for case of breakage (hand springs like to break on cheap guns). You are gonna want "six shooters". With a police 5 shooter you can only cap 4 chambers, hammer down on the 5th. Then when the buzzer goes off you will need to cap the 5th chamber before shooting the rest. With a 6 shooter you've got all 5 capped and can just draw and blam away.
I used to shoot nothing but Colt's revolvers but have lately become more partial to the Remingtons as they have fewer cap jams. If you want I can send you an article i wrote back in 1996 for the SASS Cowboy chronicle on "Debugging the C&B for CAS". It's kinda dated but covers some of the basics. I could write a small novel now after having had about 25-30 guns since then.

[sharps54]

I have a Pietta 1862 Army Police not a Uberti but when this was discussed a while back I thought the Ubertis had the "pin" to rest the hammer on like 1860s and the Pietta 1862s do. If it does isn't it legal in SASS to cap all 5 (of 5) and rest the hammer on the "pin"?

Yup, here it is on page 25 of the Shooter's Handbook:

4. Six-guns are always loaded with only five rounds and the hammer lowered, fully down, and left resting on the empty chamber. Five shooters may load five rounds, but the hammer must rest on a dummy chamber or safety slot in the cylinder so the hammer does not rest on a live round/cap. If a particular stage requires a one shot reload, the sixth chamber may be charged at the bench and then capped "on the clock." A complete reload is handled by staging a loaded, uncapped revolver down range or switching uncapped cylinders and capping on the clock.

[Wwalstrom]

Hellgate,

I wouldn't mind you sending me that article!

[Steel Horse Bailey]

WW ... Howdy! Sorry 'bout butcherin' up yer handle!

Now that we got it straight on the 1860-1861-1862-5 shot-6 shot thing    let me congratulate you for choosing what I think is the best looking pistol design to ever come from a factory!  Yes it IS just MY opinion, but I share it with many!  I have been shooting an Iver Johnson (made by Uberti) 1860 Army since the mid-70s and it'll NOT leave me until I'm gone.  I only wish that the 1862 model, as put out by Uberti and/or Pietta, were available with a 4" barrel, so it would be a "legal" pocket pistol!  I have seen REAL 1862s (well, photos  ) with barrels as short as 2 3/4", but I'd prefer the 4" tube.  Yes, I COULD buy one of these lovely guns and 'bob' the barrel.  I did that exact job already to my NMA (Remington) because of a seriously MAJOR boo-boo near the muzzle that managed to escape from the Pietta factory - right past Quality Control about 12-15 years ago.    (I understand that the NEW Piettas are considerably better and nicer looking than back then - in fairness to Pietta, thanks to the efforts or Mr. Allessandro Pietta - who can sometimes be found posting as "Alchemista" on various forums like CAS City.)

Keep yer powder dry!

[Noz]

Love the 1860 Army.

[Paladin UK]

Ol PUK`s `62!!




I gotta tell ya she is an absolute peach ta shoot !! 21gns of the Holy Black behind a .375 ball

I `park her up` between the nipples on that`special little notch` that is made jest fer the purpose sits there steady as a rock!!

Paladin (what is shootin opentops more n more!! ) UK

[Pettifogger]

.356 ball?  Are the barrel and chambers sleeved?  All of the 62's imported on this side of the pond are .375.  Was yours set up to use a standard .38 bullet (i.e., .357)?  And are those the nifty adapters for using regular primers instead of caps?  I'd like to see one of those up close!

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Gorgeous, PUK! 

ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS, mi compadre'!

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

PUK;  Are those the especially tasty nipples you invented?

[Gun Butcher]

   HELLGATE,I would love to see that article.
   SHARPS, thanks a bunch for the tip on the 5 shooter.
   STEELGATE, the 1860 has always been my choice for looks, but ya have to admit PUK's "62" is a mighty slick piece!!!!
   Thanks to everyone for your words. This is going to be a barrel of fun as soon as I can get up and running with it.

[Paladin UK]

Fer Sir Charles...

.356 ball?  Are the barrel and chambers sleeved?

Nope!! I should have put..  .375 NOT .356


Measurements fer my little `ol Uberti 1862 Police..........

Cylinder shoulder .370"        Barrel throat .394"

Yep, They are the said nipple jobbies

Iffn you might remember, I wuz gonna get that No good Jule/Thom/Big Iron, or whatever he/it might be calling themselves involved but It didnt happen, He got me to send him a couple of types, and that wuz the last dealings I had with him   So although it takes me one hell of a long time ta make `em as I aint got CNC. I jest make them fer my own pistolas as it would take me ferever ta supply a market!!

Paladin (What dont like Jule/Thom/Big Iron or whatever he`s now callin himself) UK

[Dalton Masterson]

Hellgate, could I get a copy of that article? Thanks.
PUK, so what is your little conversion there? Any better pics? DM