? about Second Hand gun

[Black Powder]

As a newbie awaiting delivery of my first purchase, I've already considered what I'd choose for a second revolver.     My preference would be for it to be a shorter barrel, like a previously-owned Peacekeeper Sheriff.  My reading on NCOWS is that this would be acceptable in Original Class (assuming requisite documentation, # of participants, etc. are met).  Is this correct as the rules stand now?

Do other organizations have rules stipulating what constitutes main match pistols that are at variance to NCOWS?  There's not a NCOWS group in my state (OH) but I'm using their rules as a guide because of my interest in historical authenticity.

BP

[French Jack]

BP-- Certainly a short barrelled pistol such as a "Sheriff's" model would be acceptable.  However, the Originals class uses only 2 guns, usually a rifle and pistol.  You are allowed to choose any 2 approved firearms, however your course of fire may change as a result, if there is for example, 2 pistols or 2 shotguns, or pistol and shotgun, etc.. 

Some firearms which are approved by other shooting organizations are not on our approved list.  Before going too far, I would heartily recommend looking over the approved/disapproved list on the NCOWS website,  www.ncows.org  .....
If you have other questions, I feel certain that we have many that will step forward to help you out.

[Irish Dave]

BP:

1) The traditional large-frame Sheriff's Model is a fully acceptible Main Match revolver in any NCOWS class.

2) SASS guidelines are slightly different that NCOWS on acceptible firearms. (ie: SASS allows the Uberti Lightning, Thunderer, Bisley Vaquero but NCOWS does not; NCOWS allows period double actions but SASS does not.)

3)There may not be any active NCOWS clubs based in OH at the moment, but there are many NCOWS members there as well as the Great Lakes Freight & Mining Co. posse in east-central IN which has several members from OH.

Hope this helps.

[J.R. Logan]

It seems as NCOWS already has rules for the "Hideout or Belly gun" and what is needed is a better definition of the Pocket Pistol and Derringer Class.  Warning possible rules change to follow.

Hideout / Belly Guns
Any approved hand gun with 4 inch barrel or shorter; any approved pistol caliber

Derringer / Pocket Pistol
Derringer, any 3 inch barrel or shorter 2 shot pistol; any approved pistol caliber.
Pocket Pistol, any 3 inch barrel or shorter; any approved caliber .38 S&W or smaller.

Thanks for your input.

J. R. Logan

[Black Powder]

Thank you, Jack & Dave.  I am pretty deliberately following NCOWS rules.  I'll be sure to double check the closest club to me.  Was a spectator and they were as great in person as you folks are on-line.  I'm sure I'll go whole hog and get a SxS and '73.  I mean jeez, is there any doubt?  I know they're acceptable.  But the budget just doesn't seem to be catchin' on to my plan.

But looky what I picked up today!  Yee haw, hot diggedy 

[Lone Gunman]

While I don't disagree with those who voted against the 2006 proposal on the grounds that a 4" barrel SAA w/ejector isn't a "Pocket Pistol", my primary objection with the motion was that ANY 'originally designed/modified to be carried specifically as a pocket pistol'  would,  by definition, include as pocket pistols such revolvers as the "1862 .36 Cal. Pocket Pistol" with a 6 1/2" barrel solely because Colt chose to refer to it as a "Pocket Pistol". That gun has an overall length of 12", whereas the 1851 & 1861 .36 cal. Colt BELT pistol has an overall length of 13".

For OUR purposes the distinction between Main Match Pistol and Pocket Pistol  needs to be more than just one inch. 

Seriously, where are all the pockets that will hold a 12" pistol?   

[French Jack]

BP-- Shure is a "looker".  You are already half the way towards shooting the Working Cowboy or Originals classes with us----

[Deadeye Don]

Captain Kangaroo use to have pretty big pockets.   

[Black Powder]

Thank you, FJ.  Right.  Half way there.  Except that dang '73 is gonna set me back more than double what I just spent on my new Model P.  But y'all know that.  Wife still doesn't get it... 

BP

[Dr. Bob]

Tell her it's the male equivalent of women buying shoes!   This does not apply to the gals on these board!  'Fraid that I can't duck fast enough.

[River City John]

Captain Kangaroo use to have pretty big pockets.   

Are you sure you're not thinking of The Banana Man? 

He used to pull watermelons, bunches of bananas, . . why I think he even pulled a small bus out of his pockets.

[Dr. Bob]

Howdy Joss,

The agenda is already set for the meeting next month.  Still lots of time to think about the summer meeting.  Just don't know if there will be any desire to revisit the issue then.

We're supposed to get 1 - 4 inches of snow here tomorrow.  Got an inch yesterday.  Ain't ya glad that you are out there in Kalifornia where you don't have to deal with it very often.

[Irish Dave]

Juat a coupla points:

1) This question isn't going to go away until it's resolved. There remains (in the absence of a solution) no small amount of confusion over the logic of it all. I think this decomposing ol' hoss is gonna get resurrected regularly until it's decided once and for all.

2) I'm starting to wonder whether the root of our difficulty with this isn't seated in the nomenclature: A "collector's" definition vs. a "practical" definition. Clearly, collectors etc have a well established concept of what a "pocket pistol" is and ought to be. On the other hand, there's the common sense practical definition that says a "pocket pistol" is one that goes in -- Where else? -- your "pocket."

I'm starting to entertain the notion that we may never be able to reconcile these two concepts under the PP classification. I guess that's the reason that it may make more sense to use something different ie: "bellygun" or "hideout."

Just some food for thought.....

[Yuma Kid]

All,
I for one voted against the motion because I think the 4" barrel length is indeed the right maximum for a "pocket Pistol", a "belly gun" or a "hide out" gun.  The fact that a manufacturer decided to name a model a "pocket model" when I believe he was referring to the frame.  Certainly when they added a 5" or 6-1/2" barrel to the frame he excluded it from being put in a pocket.  Therefor I saw no reason to change the description.
Yuma

[Fox Creek Kid]

EVERYBODY has a valid point on this issue and it would probably be a "slam dunk" to make an updated & clarified change thereby satisfying even the most recalcitrant of members as we all know that to a Nebraskan 12" is in reality four or less.