1858 grip versus 1875

larrupin · January 03, 2008, 08:22:29 AM

Howdy!

I have mostly been a lurker on here, post some on SASS and other sites but I really appreciate all the good info I have read here on SCORRS. I have 4 1858's that I love shooting, both with BP and I have R&D cylinders in 45 colt that I shoot alot.

I have shot better groups with these 1858's than with any revolvers I own, they just hit me right, grip etc. I am wondering if the grip frame on 1875 is the same as 1858? I've been thinking about trying out some 1875's but haven't ever handled one.

Also any links to info on how to fine tune the pistol to the R&D cylinder. Mine work pretty well but you have to be pretty consistent on how you ear the hammer back, firmly but not hyper fast, works good shooting double duelist for instance, but if I try to shoot two handed and work hammer like I would on my vaq's it will over index.

Any way thanks for the great info and help!

Vaya con Dios,

Larrupin'

Hoof Hearted · January 03, 2008, 09:15:56 AM

Don

Welcome aboard

The 1875 grip has the same general shape as the NMA (I personally don't agree that "58" is a correct term). There are some differences from manufacturer to manufacturer and from old to new, mostly in girth and "flare" at the bottom. But I think YES would be an appropriate answer as they tend to "point"the same

The R&D cylinders have a "scoop" or curved indexing surface and this can have some peculiarities. I can/will help you tune it but undersatand there is always some trial and error. You will need to buy some extra parts from VTI before you start. Email me directly and I'll get you going.

buckoff@alltel.net

Catdad · January 03, 2008, 02:54:48 PM

Can't help with the R&D cylinders (both my '75 and NMA are cartridge .45 Colt). As to the grips, they are similar, but I think the grip on the NMA is slightly smaller which helps small hands like mine. I could be wrong about that, but one thing I do know for sure, both are a lot of fun to play with.

Now if I only had the time...

Hoof Hearted · January 03, 2008, 07:10:57 PM

Quote from: Catdad on January 03, 2008, 02:54:48 PM
Can't help with the R&D cylinders (both my '75 and NMA are cartridge .45 Colt). As to the grips, they are similar, but I think the grip on the NMA is slightly smaller which helps small hands like mine. I could be wrong about that, but one thing I do know for sure, both are a lot of fun to play with. Now if I only had the time...

Catdad

I'm assuming you are saying you have a new Uberti NMA that came as a cartridge firing pistol in 45 Colt?
If so then I bet it has the Uberti size grip which is a bit smaller than the Pietta.
This whole frame/grip size thing gets cornfusing, especially when trying to relate to another frame like the 75/90

If it will help Larrupin I can pull some grips and scan their image to you. Just let me know

Wolfgang · January 03, 2008, 08:14:43 PM

Larrupin, . . . it'd make some difference as to what version of the New Model Army reproductions you are shooting that fits you so well. I have Pietta's and the grips are perfect for me. I've never handled the Uberti's but understand the grip is diffent and some find them better for their hands. Who produced the '58s you're shootin' ? ? . . .

As for the '75s . I figure the best approach would be to get ahold of one and shoot it a bit. That way you know for sure if it suits ya. Just my $ .03 if of any worth.

Good shootin', . . . .

larrupin · January 03, 2008, 10:22:36 PM

Thanks guys for the replies!

Hoof, I sent you an e-mail.

I have the Pietta's and I really like them. Thanks for the info on the gripframe, I'm not concerned about the exact size as much as the geometry of the frame. I just really like how remmies handle, and grip size I can take care of by making and/or shaping grip panels.

Thanks again for the help,

Larrupin'

Flint · January 04, 2008, 12:53:59 PM

The 75/90 grip is set back a little further, there is more space behind the triggerguard, but the general shape is the same. Look at photographs.

Steel Horse Bailey · January 05, 2008, 10:53:05 AM

I have an 1875 by Uberti and a NMA by Pietta. While not feeling the same, they are VERY close. To ME, the grip thickness makes more difference than the difference in distance between the trigger guard and grip. My NMA has stock grips which are Medium thickness. I have some fat grips for my 1875 which felt a LOT different than the NMA, but after I put a factory set of 1875 grips on my pistol - and they're relatively thin - they make the 2 guns feel pretty much the same. The slightly thinner 1875 grips seem to make up the difference to the slightly thicker NMA grips with the farther forward grip-to-Tr.Gd. dimensions.

Yer mileage may vary.

By the way, for comparison's sake, I have moderately small hands. Only.

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SFT · January 09, 2008, 04:42:56 PM

There is definately a difference between the 58 and 75, but as has been mentioned, the 58 grip frame varies a bit from brand to brand. The Euroarms 58's seem to be the smallest to me, then the Uberti and Pietta. My 75's are distincly wider and fill the hand more than any of the 58's I've owned, but with a slimmer grip they might feel and point the same. My 75's are made by EMF so that makes them Uberti's under the skin.

There are very few options for replacement grips for either the '58's or the '75's compared to all the Colt/ Colt clone grips, but there are some, and there are even a few custom grip makers that stock them. Since grip frames vary even within the same brand there will probably some extra fitting involved, but again, there are grip makers that will fit the grips to your frame for no extra charge, but of course you have to send in the frame and live without for a couple of weeks. Small inconvenience if you ask me.

One other thing you might think about if ordering a set of unfinished grips for your Remmies, like the ones found in the kits. These aren't fully shaped and you have the luxery of sanding and shaping them to you exact size.

On one last note, refinishing the factory grips always adds a personal touch to your pistols. Some don't care for the shiney factory finish and it is quickl and easy to take it off and out on an oil finish more period correct. Even Tru-oil after some final sanding with extra fine paper makes good looking wood even better.

Hope this helps.

Cimarron Lawman · January 09, 2008, 08:00:48 PM

I'm a little surprised. I find the New Model Army grip and the '75 grip to be very different. The shape is different, the angle is different, and the space behind the trigger guard is different. All the various New Model Army grips (Original Remington, Euroarms, Uberti, Pietta) fit my hand better than the Uberti '75 grip. I've never held an original '75.