Cylinder pin problems

[Marshal Deadwood]

I have a new Uberti Cattleman, and ,,let me see if i can explain this. When the cylinder pin is in the aparent proper position, I can cock the hammer and then push the pin by hand and it will go back and latch in a position were it entends thur the frame and blocks the hammer back to far to fire the gun. If I put it in the other grove im afraid it too far forward.
Got suggestions? Send it back? Its new so its under warrenty.
I tell ya, im bout ready to mortage the farm and go USFA and be done with the hassle.
Sending a '60 army back today cause after finally detaching the barrel from the frame, the wedge just is totally out of line and will not go back with any reasonable effort. The group I bought it from was nice and are going to repair or give me credit.
But still,,,whats with buying stuff that wont.dont, work?
Am I born under a black star?
Is dem USFA's really as good as they say?
Im gonna have a gun sale i think,,id rather have two good guns than a room full of crap, even if I have to give up shootin' this summer. DOnt look like there is much chocie on that one anyways, unless I can borrow my second revolver. My OT seems to be fine for now.
ALl these revolvers are Ubertis,,,,my Cimarron/Uberti is the only one that has worked properly.
USFA,,,ummm,,,,really really considering this.
Anyone wanna buy a super nice early british fowling gun, engraved, steel mounted, made by Mike Brooks?
Im gonna finance two USFA's  one way or the other.
Im tired of probllems,,and thanks for letting me vent ya'll.

Marshal Deadwood....oh,,,and,,,not to insult anyone, but im not really interested in going Ruger, though I know they are tough. Im have a huge historic interest in maintaining as close to a Colt as I can get, though I dont want the Colt. Werid aint it, but im scared of their quality also. If id saved my money on this stuff, id already have ONE USAF anyways. How dumb I am.

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

I'm surprised that gun did not come with an explanation of the cylinder base pin. You have one of the 2 position pins. In order to meet import requirements, the gun has to have a system or device in place to prevent the gun from firing if dropped on the hammer with a live round under the hammer. The position with the pin extending to the rear is the 'safety position' It's designed that way, to prevent the hammer from traveling far enough forward to fire the gun. The 'forward' postion is the postion the pin needs to be in to fire the gun. Yes, it looks stupid. But that is the way it was designed. Previous to the 2 position cylinder base pin, most imported revolvers made by Uberti (yes, your Cimarron is made by Uberti) had a safety device in the hammer. It was more expensive to produce, and could be troublesome. The 2 postion cylinder base pin is cheap, and easy to make. It works, it just looks stupid.

This 'drop resistant' requirement is currently only imposed on imported guns, not guns made domestically. For example, Colts and USFA pistols do not have such a device. It is assumed the owner is smart enough to only load 5 rounds in the cylinder and leave the hammer down on an empty chamber, the way it has been done for 130 years.

By the way, the whole reason Ruger came up with the transfer bar design is because they were hit with lawsuits when shooters did not heed that age old advice, and there were deaths caused by fully loaded 3 screw Black Hawks being dropped on the hammer. Ruger lost a lot of money in those lawsuits, and completely redesigned the Blackhawk, coming up with the transfer bar design to cover their butt in the future. That is why Ruger is vigilant about replacing custom parts with factory parts, and why they will modify an old 3 screw to include a transfer bar for free.

But I digress. There are several alternatives to the stupid 2 postion pin. If you measure carefully, you can grind of the rear of the pin, so that when it is in the rear, 'safety position', there is no longer any pin protruding through the frame to block the hammer.

Or you can buy an aftermarket pin from Belt Mountain. Belt Mountain makes replacement pins for a variety of Single Action revolvers. Somewhere in my parts box I have one of those stupid 2 position pins that I took out of a Cattleman when I replaced it with a Belt Mountain pin. Unfortunately, the Belt Mountain website does not seem to have been working recently, so I cannot direct you there.

I believe these pins are also sold by Brownells, and possibly others.

By the way, I had an opportunity to handle a USFA on Saturday. It was in the used counter at a nearby gunshop. This particular one had the 'distressed' finish to make it look old. The finish looked kind of fake to me.  Of course, I could not take it apart to examine anything inside, but there was a detail on the hammer which lead me to believe the hammer was a casting, not a machined part. Just an assumption. This gun had a 1st Gen style wdge shaped firing pin and the 'black powder' frame. Overall, the gun felt very good, and the action felt very good. This gun looked almost unfired, so I doubt if it had had an action job. They were asking just over $1000 for it. I wasn't interested, and couldn't buy it if I wanted to anyway, buit it was interesting to handle it.

[Marshal Deadwood]

Wa'll Driftwood, I do feel like the dummie.
Aint that pin a curious deal ?

Oh well, at least now I know my gun aint broke, its just werid !
I was gonna do the 'gunsmithing' on the pin, but now I understand the deal.

Now , if I get the '60 Army straightened out,,,im good to go.

Whew! Thanks , Driftwood.

Marshal Deadwood   'pretty sure ol' Sam is rolling in the grave.'

[Wymore Wrangler]

Marshal, we've all been there one time or the other...

[Delaware Jim]

Be sure you do on;y set it in the first notch.  I know a pard that had his in second and did not know it.  sure does click loud on the clock.

[Russ T Chambers]

I had to go look at my Uberti Frontier Marshall's to see if they have to double groove pin.  They do, and I've had them for about 3 years, just keep letting the cross bolt fall into the first groove and never had a problem.  Just a matter of habit!