Hi all, quick question. Is 30-30 ammo allowed in main matches? Looking at the approved list, the 1894 is allowed, but as listed in the by-laws, the cartridge was never developed as a black powder. i did a search in thecas city archives and saw mention of damaging targets, and talk of a Historically documented reduced power hunting round, but all information is over 10 years old. I was curious to the current standing on 30-wcf. There has been a plethora of '94s pop up for sale in my area, which made me curious as to their viability.
Thanks
-chris
Howdy Chris. If you look in the Tally Book on the NCOWS website, you will see in the description of each shooting class the words "pistol caliber rifle." So no, the 30-30 is not legal for main match.
thank you,Abilene. That is what I suspected, I just wanted to confirm. I had looked through the approved/ unapproved list and the bylaws. I will look at the tally book now for some other questions
Although the 1894 is an approved rifle, it is approved only in rifle caliber cartridges ie 30-30, 32-40 etc for long range. The 1894 is not approved in pistol caliber cartridges.
Thank you for the clarification, Tacosa Joe. I am still trying to get all the rules and lingo straight.
-chris
While the 1894 is approved for long range, the 30/30 is not and it was not a black powder cartridge. The other listed in Joe's post were released as black powder cartridges.
So, even in a side match the cartridge need to have a black powder origin.
Got it.
Thanks Yuma
Long Range NCOWS side matches offer both Smokeless and Black Powder categories: single shot and lever action.
Quote from: Tascosa Joe on January 04, 2025, 11:12:21 AMAlthough the 1894 is an approved rifle, it is approved only in rifle caliber cartridges ie 30-30, 32-40 etc for long range. The 1894 is not approved in pistol caliber cartridges.
cwiseman
The 1894 pistol caliber rifles are not approved as they did not start chambering them in pistol calibers (mostly 357 Mag and 44 Mag) until the Angle Eject (1894AE) was introduced.
I'm confused now, I've shot my 94 in 30/30 smokeless with lead bullets, in the long range
smokeless class. It was allowed and I believe it is legal????
BTB
Quote from: bear tooth billy on January 07, 2025, 09:51:21 AMI'm confused now, I've shot my 94 in 30/30 smokeless with lead bullets, in the long range
smokeless class. It was allowed and I believe it is legal????
BTB
Yes. It is allowed for long range side matches provided it is loaded with lead bullets. You just can't use it as a main match (original question) downloaded. I have used my Savage 1899 303 Savage in long range as well. But factory ammo is all jacketed, so I had to cast my own lead and load them myself.
The original question was if an 1894 30-30 was legal as a main match gun, No, the rules specify "pistol caliber".
The 1894 is not legal as a main match gun because it was not chambered in pistol calibers until well after 1900. An 1894 30-30 is legal as a long range sidematch gun. Actually, at Racoon Forks BRR rules do not specify pistol caliber, only a fps limit (1200?}, so a downloaded 30-30 would be legal as a main match weapon IF it is not a National or regional NCOWS Match. Quickfire downloaded his 45-60 1876 to be legal and used it a few times with impressive results!
I hope I didn't add to the confusion! B.N. Scotty
Quote from: cwiseman on January 06, 2025, 08:43:09 AMSo, even in a side match the cartridge need to have a black powder origin.
Got it.
Thanks Yuma
No I think you misunderstood the answer, it does not need to have been a black powder cartridge, the 30wcf was originally smokeless but was introduced prior to 1899 so it's legal, just not for main match as others have stated. It being a rifle cartridge is only legal for long range.