Here is another shotgun that Rock Island Armory/Armscor is importing from a manufacturer in Turkey. Has anyone here seen, handled, shot one?
https://www.armscor.com/firearms-list/12rss24
I've not seen one, or handled one, but made in Turkey? Might be just fine. My Tisas 1911 .45 auto is from Turkey, and made very well.
Howdy,
The write up says: "aluminum receiver". That's hard to imagine. I expect that is a mistake. If not, it's a first. I wouldn't trust it in a sxs.
Rev. Chase
I wouldn't rely on anything on that spec sheet, not after noticing the "bead sight" identified on the wrist. Also, does anyone else refer to the "up trigger" and "hand trigger" on a two-trigger shotgun?
:) Ah Well ;)
The Barrels are some way too long anyhow. Pass.
"California Compliant
Maryland Compliant
Massachusetts Compliant"
Yes, but does it shoot?
I actually like the barrel length. I'd like to find a gunsmith who could do a first class job cutting my Italian made double to 24". That aside and back to the subject: there's a number of things about this gun that kind of worry me, particularly the AL receiver.
Dave
I give Rock Island Armory/Armscor props, they are good to deal with.
Course they only broker this gun, as far as Turkish shotguns go, I'm on the fence.
There have been a goodly number imported under different importers & names.
The biggest issue is or was lack of and infostructure or parts availability.
I've handled the Model 37 Ithaca trench gun clone RIA imports from Turkey, and that thing was a tank.
The American Rifleman reviewer liked this shotty in a write-up a year ago.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-rock-island-armory-side-by-side/
That reviewer also indicated the receiver is aluminum and referred to its anodized finish. So that's probably true.
Here is a review from the NRA
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-rock-island-armory-side-by-side/
Posted that'n above, perfesser. ;)
:) Well ;)
Intrestinger and intrestinger fer sure. The Barrels are still some too long :P
Coffinmaker: While the barrels are longer than on the typical "coach gun," they still strike me as making up into a handy package -- AND long enough to be extremely useful in the grouse woods. 8)
:) Hey There Bill ;)
Yep. I can agree. CAVEAT: I found, a "Coach Gun" or "Riot length" gun, with changeable choke tubes can be righteously effective in the field. Also, in my sordid past, I was known to embarrass some folks with big buck Skeet Guns with my lowly shorty 1897. Stuck a Skeet choke innit and made powdered clays wid the best of em. Same same results with my Hammer doubles. Modern ammunition makes all the difference with the right payload and the right wads.
The weight of longer barrels does have the effect of aiding the shooter with "follow through" when Wing shooting or Clay Birds. I happen to like the quickness of shorter barrels. "Never Met A Barrel Too Short". Well, almost true but that's another thread.
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Once more commonly found in the Wild, I can see that Rock Island Hammer Double as a real boon to CAS shooters looking for an affordable Hammer Double. I don't think the Aluminum Alloy Receiver will be an issue at all.
Let's face it, they make auto loading pistols with plastic frames these days. (Yech)
And Alloy framed Auto loaders too...
And Plastic Car Bodies.
reloading presses and airplanes.
Oh yeah, There's lawn chair aluminum and then there's aircraft aluminum alloy.
Well, I guess I will have the chance to add my two centimes before long as I caved for one of these as my do-all shottie.
Ought to have it by week's end, but may not wring it out until the temps here fall below 106. It just ain't Christian.
Well, I have only shot the new RIA hammer double a few times; it has just been too hot for much more than function testing with daily highs very near 110 and typically 90 by 9 a.m.
As far as I could tell shooting 000 buck at a 25-yard gong, the barrels appear to be reasonably well regulated; pattern tests will confirm.
My example -- in 12 gauge with 24-inch barrels, weighs 6 pounds, 14 ounces. The hammers are reasonably easy to cock, and the triggers are relatively crisp and light -- 3 pounds 15 ounces right barrel, 4 pounds 1 ounce left.
Many of the reviews I read described this as an ejector gun, which of course CAS shooters object to. Maybe RIA listened, as my double is fitted with extractors.
Lockup is very positive and breaking open the shotgun is not nearly as stiff as most new doubles.
A nice feature is that you can cock both hammers, then apply the sliding tang safety to lock them up, handy if you are walking up on your bird dog acting very birdy.
So it is still early days with my example, but it strikes me as a lot of shotgun for the dollar.
It seems pretty good. I need to see a real one - and maybe I need one.
Royce, I had to do a function test with my Swede Model 1867 rolling block this morning (Carl Gustavs Stads Gevärfaktori, 1873), and took the RIA back out with me for one purpose: to fire a couple of rounds of the "new" Remington Peters Paper 12-gauge shells just to have a couple of empty hulls to smell, to bring back old memories. The "ahem," mature members here will know whereof I speak.
These RIA doubles take Beretta/Benelli mobil choke tubes.
All that sounds good. I just need to see one in person. Then I can decide if I need one.