Did anyone else watch the movie "Tombstone" today?
CC Griff
no, but I did a few days ago.... :)
I had a day off, so I watched "Tombstone", a few key scenes from Costner's "Wyatt Earp" AND, the kind of overly dramatic, but fairly accurate 1970's documentary hosted by Lorne Greene. It was a rainy day here, so it was kind of fun to make a day of it.
CC Griff
This from IMDB
" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "
Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though
Quote from: Major 2 on October 27, 2018, 06:09:44 AM
This from IMDB
" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "
Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though
Oh My Yes! Tombstone is much better, and isn't dragged out as long.
don't you just hate self-important louts that try to use their money and percieved "clout" to try to destroy the efforts of others?
I believe the Chinese have a special Hell for those folks (amongst the many thousands they have tabulated)
Diyu is a purgatory that serves to punish and renew spirits in preparation for reincarnation
The Jade Emperor put Yama in charge of overseeing the affairs of Diyu.
There are 12,800 hells located under the earth – eight dark hells, eight cold hells and 84,000 miscellaneous hells
located at the edge of the universe. yhs
prof marbels
"The Chinese have many Hells Professor Marvel"
I usta have many marbles.
I had the privilege of visiting Wyatt Earp's grave in Colma, CA, a few years ago.
Virgil's is down the road from me in Portland. I keep meaning to stop by, but I haven't done it yet.
CC Griff
I was in Tombstone last weekend. Paid my respects at the graves for Clantons,McLaurys, and Marshal Fred White.
As commercialized as it gets, the place is still well worth the visit.
-Dave
Quote from: Major 2 on October 27, 2018, 06:09:44 AM
This from IMDB
" Kevin Costner was originally involved with Tombstone (1993), another film about Wyatt Earp, written by Kevin Jarre. However, Costner disagreed with Jarre over the focus of the film (he believed that the emphasis should have been on Wyatt Earp rather than the many characters in Jarre's script) and left the project, eventually teaming up with Lawrence Kasdan to produce his own Wyatt Earp project. Costner then used his then-considerable clout to convince most of the major studios to refuse to distribute the competing film, which affected casting on the rival project. As it turns out, the rival film was considerably more successful. "
Almost, would have been just the one version, I for one was glad for the two....Tombstone heads above Wyatt Earp though
Wow to think Tombstone could have been ruined by Costner is scary.
"Boot hill, boot hill, so cold, so still, they lay side-by-side, the killers that died in the gunfight at OK Corral." Let's hear it for "Tombstone", the movie!
Quote from: Tsalagidave on December 24, 2018, 12:56:00 AM
I was in Tombstone last weekend. Paid my respects at the graves for Clantons,McLaurys, and Marshal Fred White.
As commercialized as it gets, the place is still well worth the visit.
-Dave
Yep ! Been there, done that also. Plan on going to Mattie's grave this fall.
It's October 26th again--the date of the Fremont Street Fight (near the OK Corral).
This past March, I finally stopped by Virgil Earp's grave in Portland. Here's the marker. It's hard to read, even in person, but under the dates it says, "God will take care of me." Below that on the right, it appears to say, "Co. C", then something I can't read. Per Don Chaput's biography, Virgil served with Company C of the 83rd Regiment of the Illinois Volunteer Infantry. I'm sure that the unreadable markings on the stone indicate that.
CC Griff
Quote from: Cliff Fendley on December 24, 2018, 11:18:54 AM
Wow to think Tombstone could have been ruined by Costner is scary.
Wow, you're so right! Costner's Wyatt Earp was okay but Tombstone was awesome! My favorite western of all time! 8)
I disagree, I thought Costner's Wyatt Earp was a better movie vs Tombstone, which was a good movie, but had reservations. Contrary to what a lot of people say, I like Costner's western's. Not a big fan of Kurt Russel, think he over acts, as did Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday. Good actors, but not my favorite's.
Val Kilmer?s version of Doc Holiday was entertaining but Dennis Quaid?s portrayal was far more realistic according to what has been written about Doc. Quaid?s performance was lost in the lackluster success of the Costner film.
Quote from: treebeard on October 28, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Val Kilmer?s version of Doc Holiday was entertaining but Dennis Quaid?s portrayal was far more realistic according to what has been written about Doc. Quaid?s performance was lost in the lackluster success of the Costner film.
I agree. Quaid's Doc stole the show. Actually, both Doc's were the best part of those movies. They certainly are the most quotable... Quaid's Doc said something close to, "My mother told me never to put off until tomorrow people you should kill today." That's one of my favorites.
CC Griff
I like the story of how a young John Wayne met an old Wyatt Earp at his home in SoCal in 1929. Wyatt was trying to get early Hollywood to make a movie of his life and the OK Corral the way it actually went. How it felt to him for so many remorseful years. JW paid attention to the slow drawl, the deliberately chosen, sparse words Wyatt spoke with. This became the mode of speech The Duke used that we're all familiar with.
So, in a sense, a little piece of Wyatt Earp lived on for us to experience in the way somewhat like Wyatt envisioned. Here's a pic of him in his SoCal home about 1929 when JW had several meetings with him about cowboys, Hollywood, and the like.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/esxBND.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnesxBNDj)
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when John Wayne visited Wyatt Earp. I've heard that same story about the Duke patterning his acting persona after Earp.
Man it would've been great to see & hear how Wyatt actually spoke! Did he gesticulate while speaking? Or did he just tell it like it was in a few, carefully chosen words? We may never know?...
Here we are again, folks. Been a little bit going on since last year, huh?
Griff
Been watching the date and contemplating doing some reading on Earp's life. Any recommendations on a reasonably-objective biography?
Jim
I consider Casey Tefertiller's biography to be the standard against which all others are judged. There has been some more recent research and discoveries, but he gives a great overview in my opinion. There are certainly other options out there, but this is a great place to start.
https://www.amazon.com/Wyatt-Earp-Life-Behind-Legend/dp/0471283622 (https://www.amazon.com/Wyatt-Earp-Life-Behind-Legend/dp/0471283622)
Thanks! got it added to the Amazon cart for my next order. There are a lot of individuals and events I'm curious about; I'm trying satisfy my curiousity without getting "too far" into the questions. (Too busy puzzling my way through questions I already got too far into!)
Jim
I think that I posted this before, but this kind of hokey docu-drama presents an actually pretty accurate story regarding the famous gunfight near the OK Corral. I think that it's worth watching, although it's unintentionally funny sometimes...
https://youtu.be/tuAh3delv2k (https://youtu.be/tuAh3delv2k)
Thanks Griff, I jumped forward to the shootout part. Very un-hollywood-like!
Quote from: Abilene on October 26, 2020, 10:32:48 PM
Thanks Griff, I jumped forward to the shootout part. Very un-hollywood-like!
I like the way that they show it in real time, then they break it down to give the details.
The true cause of the gunfight at the OK Corral wasn't about cattle rustling , a dirty deal between Ike and Wyatt or enforcing gun control laws.... The genesis of the fight and hostility between the Earps and the cowboys was because you had a large percentage of the people who lived in Tombstone at that time that were civil war southern confederate sympathizers and saw everything through this prism....Allegiance, loyalty and tribalism resulted from the scars of the civil war and the more I learn and read about this period from the people who actually lived there and wrote about it.. I get the strong impression that many of the men who moved to that frontier community did so to get away from what they perceived as northern federal government tyranny and perhaps establish a community that reflected their southern values and morals... They very much resented and even despised the Earps for their northern, union allegiance.
This part of the story of Tombstone of course probably wouldn't sell many Hollywood movie tickets.
As far as movies telling the real story.. The David L Wolper documentary narrated by Lorne Greene was pretty good and has an early 70's charm to it... It was actually filmed at the OK Corral in Tombstone as well as the Crystal Palace saloon and the film producer paid to take down the Fremont st OK corral wall to film the gun fight , the actor that portrayed Wyatt Earp carried what looked like a antique Merwin and Hulbert pistol witch I thought was very cool.,The BBC actually did a very good job with a one hour film documentary they made.. If you can ignore the thinly camouflaged British accents of some of the actors.. it was pretty historically accurate.. Right down to the costumes, holsters and black powder framed Colt saa replicas they used in filling.. Someone involved in that production knew his or her stuff.
Although I liked both movies, I feel the love interest and some of the dialog in Tombstone was rather sophomoric. This portrayal was in my opinion, is the most definitive account, that I've seen yet. Most enjoyable. :P