Earlier in the week I was perusing Longhunters website and saw that they now offer tuned up c&b revolvers.
So, being impulsive, without the skills to tune up my 51 and 60, I ordered one of each. :)
You should have ordered two of each, you'll be unbalanced shooting with a different gun in each hand! Bwahahahahahaha! Well done.
That's a darned good excuse FFoD! I'm gonna' use that'un! ;D Cain't have too many of 'em!
It's TRUE!! It's TRUE!! It's TRUE!!
The difference in weight from hand to hand will cause you walk with a list!! :o
Coffinmaker ;D
Shooting gunfighter you'd be going CLANG, clink, CLANG, clink etc.
Or, BOOM pop, BOOM pop, BOOM pop. Been there dun that. One of my open tops quit so I picked up my ROA for my right hand. Went BOOM pop, BOOM pop. Confused the hell out of the spotters. .
DD-MDA
Quote from: fourfingersofdeath on June 20, 2016, 05:10:43 AM
You should have ordered two of each, you'll be unbalanced shooting with a different gun in each hand! Bwahahahahahaha! Well done.
Actually that WILL give me two of each! :)
BOOM BOOM
pop pop
I got one of their Smoke Wagons a couples years ago and wow it's a real sweetheart.
Very surprised and delighted to find out they slick up c&b guns now.
Hmm... when Jim was in the shop they did ... he did 51 Navy for me ....
maybe they stopped for while ... :-\
come to think about it was about 2006 :o
Do they make the gun shoot to point of aim?
The site says they make them more accurate but I think accuracy has more to do with group size than shooting to point of aim. I have 7 Colt's and 2 Remington's and only 1 of them, a Pietta Remington .36, doesn't shoot to the right or left. I don't even care if it shoots high, if they could make a Colt that doesn't shoot to the right or left that would be something awesome.
All of my Cap Guns are Snubbies (all but two). ALL of my Cap Guns shoot to point of Aim. Butt ......... I cheat. NONE ofmy guns has the
stock OEM front sight. I dovetailed new front sights into every one I have. Had to. Seems the silly little beade fell of with the front 4 inches of barrel. Oh Well. ;D
Coffinmaker
Ah POOP!!
I forgot. The taunted increase in accuracy from Longhunter, is a $100.00 option not included in the sale price, nor the laundry list of
stuff they state they do to the guns they retail. The accuracy increase will cost you a phone call to personally request the $100.00
option. Taint cheap!!
Coffinmaker
I should have checked their website before I posted. I see they have added some things since the last time I viewed it. Namely bedding the arbor and a cylinder collar(What is a cylinder collar?). As well as the option to have, at extra cost, the cylinders reamed, cap shelf installed, muzzle crowned and real bone/charcoal color case hardening.
Quote from: Coffinmaker on June 21, 2016, 08:55:12 PM
Ah POOP!!
I forgot. The taunted increase in accuracy from Longhunter, is a $100.00 option not included in the sale price, nor the laundry list of
stuff they state they do to the guns they retail. The accuracy increase will cost you a phone call to personally request the $100.00
option. Taint cheap!!
Coffinmaker
If I'm just a duffer who just enjoys shooting stuff at the range out to 50 yds is that upgrade worth the money?
BTW I was not trying to knock Longhunter's. I was merely stating that inherent accuracy and point of impact are two different things.
LP,
Twaz perfectly clear. Don't think an apology is necessary.
Hatman,
Personally, DUNNO. No clue. I've actually thought about doing it. But, at this point in my career (retired), with me being my only
customer, oh and maybe my one friend, the cost of the appropriate reamer just might be a little high. Although, with the number of
Cap Guns I have, amortization would happen pretty quickly. If I was paying myself for the work that is.
So: I went through the laundry list of things LH now does to improve Cap Guns. Guestamating their "cost" for the base pistol, they
apply $200 Bucks of "improvements." That's actually a fairly reasonable price for what is done. I was cheaper, but that was 6 years
ago. In today's market, I'd probably nick ya about the same.
Then, when you add the real extra added attractions, the Cylinder bore, Muzzle Crown?? and Cap Jam Thingie, you wind up with a price for a Cap Gun Rivaling that of most Deluxe Suppository Guns. Tack on the Color Case and your right at a Grand.
In theory what you wind up with as a Cap Gun that will run right alongside Suppository Guns. I haven't seen their proprietary little Cap Jam thingie so I can't judge. I don't see why it wouldn't work. If, what you are after, is a light, smooth, DEAD RELIABLE Cap Gun,
right out of the box with no hassles of finding a Smithy, shipping etc. Longhunter just might be your Huckleberry!! As long as you
like Uberti Cap Guns.
Here I go again .........
I think I have figured out the "Cylinder Collar" thingie. ASM use to do it on their Conversions. It's a collar between the barrel lug and the
front face of the cylinder to stabilize head space and end shake. Kind of an Oxie on a Cap Gun. On the ASM guns, it proved to be a
spooge trap when shooting BP or Subs.
I haven't yet quite figured out the 11 degree Muzzle Crown. Why?? I suppose I could try it, but .... I don't see a reason to do that. An
11 degree forcing cone makes perfectly good sense. Muzzle ..... ?? Meh.
Accuracy is relative. If your shooting NCOWS at a longer distance to pistol targets, or even competing in Percussion Bulls Eye, Ok. If
all I have to do is ring a 12 X 12 steel plate at 21 feet, everything past 22 feet is .......... wasted.
Coffinmaker
Quote from: Coffinmaker on June 22, 2016, 11:59:36 AM
LP,
Twaz perfectly clear. Don't think an apology is necessary.
Hatman,
Personally, DUNNO. No clue. I've actually thought about doing it. But, at this point in my career (retired), with me being my only
customer, oh and maybe my one friend, the cost of the appropriate reamer just might be a little high. Although, with the number of
Cap Guns I have, amortization would happen pretty quickly. If I was paying myself for the work that is.
So: I went through the laundry list of things LH now does to improve Cap Guns. Guestamating their "cost" for the base pistol, they
apply $200 Bucks of "improvements." That's actually a fairly reasonable price for what is done. I was cheaper, but that was 6 years
ago. In today's market, I'd probably nick ya about the same.
Then, when you add the real extra added attractions, the Cylinder bore, Muzzle Crown?? and Cap Jam Thingie, you wind up with a price for a Cap Gun Rivaling that of most Deluxe Suppository Guns. Tack on the Color Case and your right at a Grand.
In theory what you wind up with as a Cap Gun that will run right alongside Suppository Guns. I haven't seen their proprietary little Cap Jam thingie so I can't judge. I don't see why it wouldn't work. If, what you are after, is a light, smooth, DEAD RELIABLE Cap Gun,
right out of the box with no hassles of finding a Smithy, shipping etc. Longhunter just might be your Huckleberry!! As long as you
like Uberti Cap Guns.
Always appreciate your wisdom and experience.
Sounds like these guns as ordered are in my wheelhouse.
hatman, how long did they say it was going to take to get these revolvers?
HOWEVER ........
If you stop and think about it, Longhunter's Cap Guns really aren't a bad deal. If one doesn't have a shop full of tools and eighteen
or 20 years experience tuning up Single Actions, and just must have guns to play CAS with (Percussion Guns that is), the price really
ain't all that bad.
There is something to be said for "Box to Holster."
Coffinmaker
HOWEVER ......... All that work is actually waisted without the Cap Jam Thingie. Cap Jams SUCK!!
Quote from: LonesomePigeon on June 28, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
hatman, how long did they say it was going to take to get these revolvers?
Sorry LP, I missed this post.
They quoted me three weeks since they had the guns in stock.
This is week 3 so I'm hoping to see a shipping notice soon. :)
Thanks, hope to see a report soon.
Can anyone describe the cap jam thingie? How is it constructed and how does it work?
I have only seen pictures. From the pictures, it is a simple piece of metal (steel??) machined to size to block about half of the diameter of the nipple. Then Silver-soldered or glue'd into place. In theory, the little bar or "dam" if you will, will prevent the hammer from pulling
the spent Cap back into the hammer channel. Or to also prevent the nipple from blowing the Cap back into the hammer channel.
To give you a real honest Opine, as to it's effectiveness, the amount of hammer face remaining, couple other "where as's" I'd actually
like to see one up close and personal. There are a couple of aspects I'm having a little trouble with, but I can't resolve em without
actually fondling a sample example.
Coffinmaker
hatman, have you go them yet? If so, how do you like them, how do they shoot? Inquiring minds want to know, lol!
I'm going to the Western Regional. I think Jerrod will be there. If so, I'll take a close look at his C&Bs and how he sets up the cap guard.
Monsieur Pettifogger .......
If possible please, I are also curious about that Cap Guard and also the "Cylinder Collar?" thingie. Super curious I are!!
Coffinmaker
I'm at the Regional. Unfortunately Jerrad (the owner of Longhunters) didn't make it.
Well Drat. I hate it when a plan doesn't come together.
Thanks for trying.
Coffinmaker
Quote from: LonesomePigeon on August 03, 2016, 12:35:30 PM
hatman, have you go them yet? If so, how do you like them, how do they shoot? Inquiring minds want to know, lol!
Hi LP,
Sorry for the delay but I've been out of the country recently.
Yes, they both arrived 5 weeks after ordered so I was good with that.
Upon inspection they look the same as standard guns and that was expected.
Operation-wise they both were very smooth and pleasant.
Trigger pull was app. 2.2 on the 51 and 2.4 on the 60. Very nice to me.
My one complaint was the overly tight wedge on the 51. I could barely get it out using a nylon punch and hammer. I sanded it down and re-blued to satisfaction, but I'm pretty shocked LH wouldn't have checked/fixed this as part of the package.
I've had them out to the range just once and I'm very satisfied.
I used 20gr Swiss 3F in the 51 and 25gr Swiss 3F in the 60.
At 25 yards using sandbags I got a 2.5" group with the 51 (2" above POA) and 4" group with the 60 (4" above POA). Not bad for a duffer like me and I'm sure I can do better.
All in all I'm a happy duffer camper. :)
hatman, thanks for the report! They sound great, minus the tight wedge but that was remedied. I forgot to ask, are the chambers reamed out or did you only ask for the standard package? The reamed out chambers are an extra charge, just wondering if you did it and if you thought it's worth the expense?
Quote from: LonesomePigeon on August 15, 2016, 10:59:13 PM
hatman, thanks for the report! They sound great, minus the tight wedge but that was remedied. I forgot to ask, are the chambers reamed out or did you only ask for the standard package? The reamed out chambers are an extra charge, just wondering if you did it and if you thought it's worth the expense?
You're welcome.
I chose not to get the reamed out chambers nor the "cap thingy".
No regrets on the reamed chambers given my first outing results, but in hindsight I kinda wished I opted for the "cap thingy" just for added insurance against cap jams.
ALL of the commercial ball makers size their balls to .375. There is no way I would ever ream a cyoinder to .380 as that requires custom casting as that is not a standard size revolver ball. If you were on the road and ran out of balls you couldn't go to the nearest gun store and buy balls. You would be SOL. The cap guard is not a bad idea.
Along with the foregoing, I'm still real real curious about this "Cylinder Collar" Thingie. Anybody seen one yet?? Cap Guard is a very
very good idea.
Coffinmaker
Quote from: Pettifogger on August 16, 2016, 12:01:28 PM
ALL of the commercial ball makers size their balls to .375. There is no way I would ever ream a cyoinder to .380 as that requires custom casting as that is not a standard size revolver ball. If you were on the road and ran out of balls you couldn't go to the nearest gun store and buy balls. You would be SOL. The cap guard is not a bad idea.
FWIW, Longhunters sells .380 swaged balls.
I'm thinking, just for the heck of it and since I don't have a '61 Navy, to go All In on all the extras including reaming, "cap thingy" and bone and charcoal case hardening.
I've asked for pictures of the hardening before I decide.
Quote from: Coffinmaker on August 16, 2016, 09:39:43 PM
Along with the foregoing, I'm still real real curious about this "Cylinder Collar" Thingie. Anybody seen one yet?? Cap Guard is a very
very good idea.
Coffinmaker
On the two revolvers I received I describe them as wedding rings that fit on the arbor.
As a relative noob, no idea if they make any kind of difference.
Quote from: hatman on August 16, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
FWIW, Longhunters sells .380 swaged balls.
I'm thinking, just for the heck of it and since I don't have a '61 Navy, to go All In on all the extras including reaming, "cap thingy" and bone and charcoal case hardening.
I've asked for pictures of the hardening before I decide.
Yes and that is the point. Even Longhunters says .380 is not standard so they have procured some. If they are out, what do you do? Can't go to the local Sportsman's Warehouse or Cabelas for balls. 100% not necessary. Accuracy on these guns has always been a strong point with the standard size balls.
Many people already use .380 balls in Uberti .36 caliber revolvers and .375 in Pietta's, due to Uberti's shaving very little lead with .375. I would like to try one of these Longhunter guns with bored out chambers. I also like the idea of cap n' ball revolvers with real color case. These remind me of the old USPFA cap n' balls and I am glad to see them being offered.
Real color case is stunning :o on an 1860. I have a set of Colt Cavalry & they have genuine Colt finish. Modern Colt black oxide (blue) and the current bone-case (c. 1970's). Averaging the price of my pair (unfired), I paid $500 apiece, and then got the wooden box & accessories, including a shoulder stock.....for free. You can still pick these sets up for similar $$. I've seen past auctions (I wasn't there) where they sold for significantly less. Keep an eye on RI auction if interested.
Slim
Im Not Impressed with work out of Longhunters shop .
My Cartridge Open Tops had to both go back to make them right .
Then one had to go back again .
Not thorough !
Did not test guns before shipping back the first time.
Apparently did not test both guns the second time.
Not impressed !
They did stand behind the work and paid to ship back BOTH TIMES !
NO EXCUSE for not being through and making sure the product is right the second time back .
NOT IMPRESSED !
Just sayin
Rooster .