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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The American Plainsmen Society => Topic started by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 09, 2015, 10:41:56 PM

Title: Trade Beads
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 09, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
A woman found a bead near the shore here in Victoria. It might be a Japanese "ojime bead", or a netske, but I thought it might be a trade bead. The jury is still out, but along the way I stumbled on this article;

http://www.thefurtrapper.com/trade_beads.htm
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Tsalagidave on July 10, 2015, 05:10:46 PM
Do you have a picture of the bead Charles?

I have a few in my collection that I've picked up over the years so. I figured I could make a comparison to a couple of originals I have. Thanks for the site link too. I know a little on the subject but not as much as I'd like to. A blessing about this great Earth is that even if I could live 1000 years, I'd die only knowing a small fraction of all there ever was.

-Dave
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 10, 2015, 06:25:01 PM
Dave; Here is the link to the facebook group page. I hope it works; 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/312703430332/permalink/10155728514615333/
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 10, 2015, 11:25:05 PM
Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 10, 2015, 06:25:01 PM
Dave; Here is the link to the facebook group page. I hope it works; 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/312703430332/permalink/10155728514615333/

My Dear Sir Charles -
it appears one must login
can you download it it to a public thingy?

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Tsalagidave on July 11, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
It looks like a mid to late 19th century chinese porcelain decorative bead. The white with blue trim was a common motif imitated by the Dutch and English . Chinese were usually the best quality. This could be a laborer artifact instead of a trade item. I've known of other small chinese artifacts, including opium paraphernalia to come from this region.

-Dave
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 11, 2015, 10:30:06 AM
Sorry Perfessa! I've ex sosted my confuser skills, or the lack thereof. It looks like Dave managed to see it. Help would be appreciated.

P.S; Sent you an email of the notification message. It might work?
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Tsalagidave on July 11, 2015, 01:08:56 PM
You need to be signed into Facebook before you click on the link.

-Dave
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 12, 2015, 02:38:59 AM
Thank you kindly for the email Sir Charles, the photos came thru!
I had not seen one like this before, I am more familiar with the European trade beads, as used on northern plains beadwork,
and a small smattering of the examples of Fur Trade Fooferaw.
Thanks Dave for the analysis.

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Trade Beads
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 12, 2015, 02:51:31 AM
Quote from: Tsalagidave on July 11, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
It looks like a mid to late 19th century chinese porcelain decorative bead. The white with blue trim was a common motif imitated by the Dutch and English . Chinese were usually the best quality. This could be a laborer artifact instead of a trade item. I've known of other small chinese artifacts, including opium paraphernalia to come from this region.

-Dave

Per Dave's posting, the meager evidence ( ie found in / near Vancouver area ) supports it being a Chinese Immigrant artifact vs specific trade goods, as the port cities of the west coast were entryways for  Chinese/Asian Laborers at the time.

thanks again!
yhs
prof marvel