Good news for me! After 2 years of work getting in the way, looks like i'll be attending the AZSA 2012 World Championship. My stepson and I will shoot and my spouse will watch. We're very excited and starting to gather the necessary gear. We have everything it's just a matter of getting organized.
Where in Colorado is the match being held and what is the weather usually like at the end of August ?
Does anyone have any information on hotels/motels nearby?
Any match info or tips would be appreciated.
TIA,
Kevin
Congrats! Wish I could make it. Shoot well!
Here's the basic info on the match. I'll get a link to a registration form posted as soon as we get one up on the web.
First Precinct 2012 AZSA World Championship Match Information.
Map and Accommodations information can be found at:
www.sandcreekraiders.com (http://www.sandcreekraiders.com)
Match fee:
1st Shooter $50
Additional shooters: $25
Approximate Round Count:
Rifle/Pistol/Shotgun: R200/P175/S75
Rifle/Pistol: R250/P175
Pistol Only: P450
Friday Aug. 31st
Noon: Check in / Registration open
1PM: Long range and Belly gun side matches
Ranges available for shooter tune up
No Main Match capers.
Long Range rifle events:
Bolt Action
Semi Auto
Lever/Pump Action
Carbine (semi auto/pump/lever. pistol or straight wall rifle case)
Belly Gun events:
Vest Pocket Pistol (Less than .30 caliber and smaller than 5 Inches)
Snubbie (2" or less barrel length revolver, .30 caliber or larger)
Pocket Auto (.30 caliber or larger, must fit in a Marsh Wheeling cigar box)
Saturday Sept. 1st
8 AM: Check in / Registration open
9 AM: Shooters meeting
9:30 - 3 PM
4 Main Match Capers
3 Main Match gun (rifle, pistol & shotgun) Speed Events
We May also do something social Saturday evening on the range or in Byers.
Sunday Sept. 2nd
9 AM 3 Main Match Capers (no speed events)
1:30 PM Awards / Prizes
G Man AZSA #11
Excellent info, thank you very much!
Quote from: DeaconKC on July 06, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
Congrats! Wish I could make it. Shoot well!
Thanks, I wish we could meet there.
I'm planning on being there!
Pitspitr AZSA Life #15
Quote from: Pitspitr on July 07, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
I'm planning on being there!
Pitspitr AZSA Life #16
Great! Look for a stocky guy with a Thompson, a flapper girl friend, and a youn hood and that will be us.
"The Enforcer" AZSA #55
Quote from: Border Ruffian on July 08, 2012, 10:07:23 AM
Great! Look for a ... guy with a Thompson,
??? Won't that describe a lot of us? ;) ;D
Bat,
Please describe the long range events for those of us who haven't been to Byers before. Is it a paper match or steel? I'm wondering if I bring my Krag if I should bring lead or jacketed bullets.
Quote from: Pitspitr on July 08, 2012, 10:30:38 AM
Bat,
Please describe the long range events for those of us who haven't been to Byers before. Is it a paper match or steel? I'm wondering if I bring my Krag if I should bring lead or jacketed bullets.
The long range events will be run by Frank Hamer AZSA #64 (I think) SASS shooters may know him as Dutch Al. He hasn't shared his final plans with me but we have talked about using the silhouette range. I would expect the bolt gun matches to be a little longer range, and semi autos levers and pumps to be a bit closer. We also talked about using even closer or bigger (or both) targets for the carbines.
We have AR500 steel targets so you and use FMJ rounds if you like. By all means bring the Krag, I came in 2nd (my son John Smith AZSA #12 came in 1st) in a shoot off last year with a burrowed 1903 (Hustler's) shooting surplus ammo.
The Colorado Rifle Club (where we shoot) also has a 1000 yard range with pits but I don't think he will be using that range for this match.
G Man
Quote from: Bat 2919 on July 08, 2012, 06:39:54 PMWe have AR500 steel targets so you and use FMJ rounds if you like.
And that includes .45 FMJ hardball in the main match?
FMJ ammo is OK in the main match as well.
Bat 2919,
Is 30 Carbine factory FMJ good for the main match? My son has an M1 Carbine he wants to use. My concern is about the velocity.
Thanks in advance!
Enforcer,
The quick answer to your question is sorry but no, the 1400fps minimum stands. We knew this question would come up when the dates were changed to 1949 and then the caliber was reduced to .30 to allow the 30 Mauser in the Broomhandle.
We (AZSA) have had more questions about this same subject in the last month than I can count. Let me see if I can put this subject to rest for everyone right now. An M1 Carbine shooting factory 110 Gr. FMJ Ball round has a listed velocity of 1990pfs. The average steel target placement in a main match caper on our range (CRC) for long guns is about 15 yards. I'm sorry but even if the steel will take that I don't want to be standing that close to the steel (well copper) rain all day. The last thing we want is for someone to get hurt. The topic of the proper combination of bullet weight and spring rate has been the topic of some lively discussions around here and I suspect that it's only a matter of time before some enterprising mug solves the problem of getting a M1 Carbine to function below 1400fps. Let the arms race begin ;)
Thanks
G Man
Quote from: Bat 2919 on July 19, 2012, 09:04:31 AM
Enforcer,
The quick answer to your question is sorry but no, the 1400fps minimum stands. We knew this question would come up when the dates were changed to 1949 and then the caliber was reduced to .30 to allow the 30 Mauser in the Broomhandle.
We (AZSA) have had more questions about this same subject in the last month than I can count. Let me see if I can put this subject to rest for everyone right now. An M1 Carbine shooting factory 110 Gr. FMJ Ball round has a listed velocity of 1990pfs. The average steel target placement in a main match caper on our range (CRC) for long guns is about 15 yards. I'm sorry but even if the steel will take that I don't want to be standing that close to the steel (well copper) rain all day. The last thing we want is for someone to get hurt. The topic of the proper combination of bullet weight and spring rate has been the topic of some lively discussions around here and I suspect that it's only a matter of time before some enterprising mug solves the problem of getting a M1 Carbine to function below 1400fps. Let the arms race begin ;)
Thanks
G Man
Thanks Bat, I had suspected that the 30 Carbine was too fast. We'll go with the Thompsons instead! ;D
Hi
Isn't a .30 Carbine the wrong (next) era for Zoot Shooters anyway?
Mike
Moore OK
Quote from: 1961MJS on July 20, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
Hi
Isn't a .30 Carbine the wrong (next) era for Zoot Shooters anyway?
Mike
Moore OK
Actually the time period is from about 1920 to 1950.
The match flyer / registration form is now posted on the AZSA web site. The time has come to get that registration filled out and sent in.
http://www.zootshooters.com/2012-world-championship (http://www.zootshooters.com/2012-world-championship)
G Man
I see that additional family members are discounted. I'm wanting to send in my registration, but I don't know yet if my son will be able to attend. Should I go ahead and send in mine then send in his if he can come and pay the discounted rate or should I wait and send them all later?
The discounted rate is available any time. If you want to send in your registration now and pay the discounted rate for another family member later thats no problem.
G Man
My registration form and check went in an envelope last night and will go in the mail today.
Ok so how crazy does this sound? I choose the world championship as the first time I ever play a new game. I guess I'm getting a little apprehensive. I've shot SASS, NCOWS and GAF, but not IPSC, USPSA or IDPA. My question is this, for those of you who shoot cowboy matches, what differences should I be aware of?
Quote from: Pitspitr on August 22, 2012, 08:11:04 PM
Ok so how crazy does this sound? I choose the world championship as the first time I ever play a new game. I guess I'm getting a little apprehensive. I've shot SASS, NCOWS and GAF, but not IPSC, USPSA or IDPA. My question is this, for those of you who shoot cowboy matches, what differences should I be aware of?
I'm doing the same thing! We may have to battle for last place! My training are the videos of previous matches posted on YouTube. Actually, I'm in for the experience of shooting the vintage weapons. I don't think this will become a gear race with modified weapons and game specific leather.
Quote from: Border Ruffian on August 23, 2012, 06:07:23 AM
I don't think this will become a gear race with modified weapons and game specific leather.
I don't either, and I'm not as concered that I not have the correct gear as I was thinking about not looking completely stupid because there's some minor detail that I'm not aware of that everybody else already knows so they figure I know it too. :-[ I've read the rules page on the AZSA site. I was just looking for a guiding hand from those with expirience. ;)
Relax guys,
It's not that different from Cowboy shooting. Safety first, followed by FUN.
The major differences are:
We do have a lot of movement so be sure of your muzzle direction and don't violate the 180.
We load at a loading table but we unload on the line under the RO's supervision.
You can shoot at a target as many times as you want to until you hit it or on paper targets until you're happy with your hits.
You can load as many rounds as you want to and abandon guns (if their safe and pointed in a safe direction) and move on to others.
You don't have to stand in one place and shoot. You can be moving and shooting at the same time (but don't have to) and will have the opportunity to do this with all three guns at this match. Just be sure your finger is outside the trigger guard when you're moving and not actually shooting.
We have pistol only and rifle and pistol shooting categories. You will still engage the long gun targets with the guns you do have and many (but not all) times you will have an option of using rifle or pistol to engage the shotgun targets. Any time you're engaging a long gun (rifle or shotgun) target with a hand gun you can use a two hand hold if you wish to.
You're not required to carry guns or ammo on your person (many ladies in dresses don't) they can all be staged where ever you wish in the capper. We provide barrels and tables for this purpose and the shooter can move the barrels around to make this possible as long as no safety issues are observed like the chance you may put a gun down on one of the barrels and then run in front of it later in the caper.
I'm sure you'll find a few more minor differences but refer back to my first statement, safety first followed by FUN.
G Man
Thanks G-man, that's exactly what I wanted!
In many ways it sounds more GAF shooting than I expected except for shooting on the move and loading at a loading table. In GAF we load and unload at the line under RO supervision and you can't shoot or load on the move and the reloads must be loaded from ones person
Oh and I appoligize; I tend to "try too hard" when I get excited about something new.... and I AM excited about shooting this match ;D
G-man, your explanation should be a sticky! Excellent and clear presentation.
Quote from: DeaconKC on August 23, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
G-man, your explanation should be a sticky! Excellent and clear presentation.
Good Idea!....and so it shall be.
Are there any round counts for the Friday side matches? i was figuring about 50 rounds for the psitol eventss and 40 rounds for rifle. Let me know if this is wrong.
The main match capers and side match info for the World Championships are now posted on the AZSA web site:
http://www.zootshooters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/AZSA_2012_capers.pdf (http://www.zootshooters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/AZSA_2012_capers.pdf)
Hope this answers everyone's questions.
G Man
Just so's you's guys don't get worried 'bout me, I won't be able to be there until Saturday morning
No problem. Thanks.
For those that missed the 2012 World championships, IT WAS AWSOME!!! More to follow soon.
It was an awsome time!
I hope to get some photos and video posted this week sometime.
Here's a link to the results:
http://www.sandcreekraiders.com/2012%20AZSA%20World%20Championship%20Main%20Match%20Scores.pdf (http://www.sandcreekraiders.com/2012%20AZSA%20World%20Championship%20Main%20Match%20Scores.pdf)
Thanks for the update!
Finally got some of our pictures uploaded:
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Pit, that last pic, is the US Officer's holster rig one of the replicas from IMA? If so, how is the overall quality, I have looked and wondered about those many times.
I got it from Sportsmans Guide, so I don't know who made it. I haven't seen an original so I can't compare it to an original for quality, but as far as the quality of the leather and fit, it's pretty good. I don't like the finish on it, I wish it was just plain leather colored, but its dyed brown. It fits my 1911 and magazines perfectly, so it was easily worth what I gave for it which wasn't a lot.
That is a nice looking rig. I had concerns about durability but as it seems to have made it through the match just fine, my concerns are unjustified. I may have to add one to my collection. I bet the IMA one is from the same manufacturer, they look identical to me.
Oh yeah, durablility is going to be fine. It's well made from quality leather. I've had this one since I got my first 1911 several years ago. I use it for Wild Bunch, GAF Expansion Era matches and Zoot Shooters. Like I said my only concern is historical accuracy, but again I've never handled an original so that part might be ok too.
;D
Thanks, it looks like a comfortable rig too.
The photos from my camera are now up on the website... http://www.zootshooters.com/gallery
The Enforcer wrote a great review about the match. It's been on the website for awhile but in case you missed it, here's the link... http://www.zootshooters.com/2012-azsa-world-championship-review