Thanks for posting this Rick. I just went and set the DVR to record all 3 parts. Looks like it's should be good. I wonder when they're gonna put Hell On Wheels back on.
Wednesday evening beginning at 5:00 pm they are putting on all three episodes back to back. My plan is to watch them then, so do not be giving away the farm before Thursday :)
That dang Costner rides a fine horse~
Wuz very watchable. Being into "hysterical coo-rectness" as we make movies here . . . . I'm very sensetive to that stuff. I didn't notice the descrepency of the rifle in the saloon. But did sort of choke when I saw the saddles on the horses. Everything else very historically correct and then saddles on horses that have low cantles and are much nice that would have been owned by farm familys in W.V back shortly after the civil war. The Hatfield home itself is also a bit too "nice". The other homes and cabins look right for the time and the economic situation of those people. But overall . . very watchable and well made.
ps. I grew up in the north . . ( Chicago area ) and we move to the Cincinatti area where I went to college. I observed first hand the squabbling, arguing, animosities, and outright hatered, . . . ....that still existed over the Civil War. That wuz in the late '60s . . . and i'm sure that it still goes on today.
NOW DADBURNIT!!! I ain't gonna be able to watch it now!!!!Dang saddles ruined the whole thing!I'm gonna go watch Pawn Stars now!!! >:( :-\ ::)
By the way ya got a period correct saddle yonder they can bawrry??? ;D
One reason for the "period incorrect" saddles is probably the differences in horse physique between horses of yore, versus modern horses. A "period correct" saddle that properly fit a modern horse would probably be prohibitably expensive to build. At least they weren't shooting Ruger Vaqueros! ;D
Quote from: Wolfgang on May 29, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Wuz very watchable. Being into "hysterical coo-rectness" as we make movies here . . . . I'm very sensetive to that stuff. I didn't notice the descrepency of the rifle in the saloon. But did sort of choke when I saw the saddles on the horses. Everything else very historically correct and then saddles on horses that have low cantles and are much nice that would have been owned by farm familys in W.V back shortly after the civil war. The Hatfield home itself is also a bit too "nice". The other homes and cabins look right for the time and the economic situation of those people. But overall . . very watchable and well made.
ps. I grew up in the north . . ( Chicago area ) and we move to the Cincinatti area where I went to college. I observed first hand the squabbling, arguing, animosities, and outright hatered, . . . ....that still existed over the Civil War. That wuz in the late '60s . . . and i'm sure that it still goes on today.
He didn't say they were historically incorrect he said that the farm families wouldn't have had such nice saddles. BUT keep in mind Anse Hatfield had a pretty big lumber business going on so maybe he could afford them saddles??
Rye (who knows nothing about saddles) ???
The saddles are very incorrect ....
I could see Devil Ance on a Jennifer or McClellan even a Plantation Seat perhaps a Grimsley when he deserted.
even an A-fork would have been a much better choice....
But no.... he rides off on a circa 1960 western pleasure saddle, low pommal and bucking roll.
I also have issue with the Brass Frame Remington.
However, I am enjoying the show , and Cosner is about as good as he will ever be, acting wise.
As Devil Anse Hatfield is one nasty bastard....almost makes to root for the McCoy's
The first thing I saw was the saddles. and tack and rifle boots. I've been building and restoring saddles for decades and that is the most preposterous thing Ive ever seen to be on a supposedly historically correct movie. Low cantled saddles with cheyenne rolls padded seats. C'mon . Rifles were carried across the pommels generally and almost never in heavily wooded areas like that. A tree limb would make short work of those rigs.
Those cabins that have slat walls that you can sling a cat through are stupid.Men took pride in their work and to slap something together like that is preposterous. There would have been batting boards over the wall boards to close the gaps.
Its just common sense,there is no way anyone could survive the winters in the mountains of kentucky or W.Va in those shanties.
Then last night saw them using a steam donkey to power the sawmill and ole Anse tells the boy to shut it down and you hear the sound of a internal combustion engines shutting down. Like he went and just turned the key off on the steam engine.
I also laughed at the "telescope" with the quick attach mount .
I am glad that my Father in law isnt around to see this movie.
The only thing I will say is accurate is that a McCoy will sometimes Pi$$ you off . I've been married to one for almost 40 years.
Have to agree with you both, Don & Major nary a piece of US Cavalry brass to be seen ::)
Truth be known Coster had his choice and his butt didn't wanna ride an A-fork rig...JMO... since they got the tax-breaks to got to Romaina to film this series they didn't give a hoot about bein' "historically correct" anyhow... There a "continuity issues" with clothing, horse tack & props...you do get what you pay for......Kinda weird bein' broadcast from the "History Channel" and all.
'Tis a thorny issue in Hollywood when they "ditch the crew" here in the US because of the Unions. They'll picket a job and use mob mentality to force movie production to hire only Union players... I lived part of it (steady loss of work) with my family in the '90's. Everything was bein' shot in Canada.
I have enjoyed it for what it is and have to say I rather watch "Hatfield & McCoy's" than some of the other crappy shows out there.
I take Hollywood's screenplays with a few grains of salt 'cuz mostly it's a rise in BP.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2012/05/hatfields-and-mccoys-brings-out-kevin-costner-haters-.html
Just started watching first episode on History.com and within 5 minutes already saw Costner pull a brass frame Remmy. ::)
Saddles are wrong, this thing just started and can be picked apart on accuracy.
Good grief, how hard would it be for movie producers to find some people that know something about history? About anyone on this forum knows more than the producers of this series.
Just once I'd like to see something like this made historically accurate. And on History channel of all things.
Let's see...
A tale about betrayal, unwavering hatred, a deserter, a religious fanatic, their too-closely bred families, cowardly, grasping small-minded, bearded and un-hygenic murderous folks, dark, foreboding hills and mountains, political skulduggery and private law enforcers.
Kinda sounds like a tour in Afghanistan...
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Well i have to say it great acting so far and Mary McDonald,McCoys wife should get a special oscar!She has been a real rock as an actress~
Make that Mare Winningham
And did St Goerge make a funny ??? :D
By the way which smiley do you like better???
:) or :-X
McCoy's wife is played by Mare Winningham.
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Your right i got them mixed up~Mare Winningham always liked her acting..
what smiley did ya pick???
" Tis a thorny issue in Hollywood when they "ditch the crew" here in the US because of the Unions. They'll picket a job and use mob mentality to force movie production to hire only Union players... I lived part of it (steady loss of work) with my family in the '90's. Everything was bein' shot in Canada."
I heard that ! mestiza letty
The best thing about it ( even with the loss of work to Romaina ) (or even Canada)
this is the Highest viewed show in Mini Series history
and it's a History Channal show.... took top veiwing all 3 nights
This could start a trend .... back to History related films.
Quote from: Don Nix on May 30, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
The first thing I saw was the saddles. and tack and rifle boots. I've been building and restoring saddles for decades and that is the most preposterous thing Ive ever seen to be on a supposedly historically correct movie. Low cantled saddles with cheyenne rolls padded seats. C'mon . Rifles were carried across the pommels generally and almost never in heavily wooded areas like that. A tree limb would make short work of those rigs.
Those cabins that have slat walls that you can sling a cat through are stupid.Men took pride in their work and to slap something together like that is preposterous. There would have been batting boards over the wall boards to close the gaps.
Its just common sense,there is no way anyone could survive the winters in the mountains of kentucky or W.Va in those shanties.
Then last night saw them using a steam donkey to power the sawmill and ole Anse tells the boy to shut it down and you hear the sound of a internal combustion engines shutting down. Like he went and just turned the key off on the steam engine.
I also laughed at the "telescope" with the quick attach mount .
I am glad that my Father in law isnt around to see this movie
I thought the same thing about those cabins. Heck at our local cowboy shoot our facades are made better than that. Still I enjoyed the heck out of this series and hope they make some more. Now, if they can only get a little more historically correct. ::)
Rye
The only thing I will say is accurate is that a McCoy will sometimes Pi$$ you off . I've been married to one for almost 40 years.
I know the feelin,i married a Dalton! She's meaner 'an a she rattler with a sunburned belly!!! :-\ :-\ :-\ Wy just the other day she walked out into the back yard and a nest of fire ants and three black widows packed up and moved next door!!!!!
Tis a thorny issue in Hollywood when they "ditch the crew" here in the US because of the Unions. They'll picket a job and use mob mentality to force movie production to hire only Union players... I lived part of it (steady loss of work) with my family in the '90's. Everything was bein' shot in Canada."
Sort of like shoppin at Wal-Mart ain't it~ I hope he did a directors cut in DVD..
Ain't gonna pick a smiley huh??
:) :-X
Quote from: GunClick Rick on May 31, 2012, 09:27:32 AM
Tis a thorny issue in Hollywood when they "ditch the crew" here in the US because of the Unions. They'll picket a job and use mob mentality to force movie production to hire only Union players... I lived part of it (steady loss of work) with my family in the '90's. Everything was bein' shot in Canada."
Sort of like shoppin at Wal-Mart ain't it~ I hope he did a directors cut in DVD..
Yer darn tootin' he did..advertised pre-order DVD's thru Amazon in the commercials....he gets residuals on the re-plays and how many have there been already?? He also was "in on" the soundtrack..... They make "book" on the contracts...just sayin' :o
I didn't realize that was going on with movie production. Sounds just like manufacturing.
Wonder how long it's going to take before the Unions finally realize it's not doing anyone any good when they push their jobs out of country?
Quote from: Wolfgang on May 29, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Wuz very watchable. Being into "hysterical coo-rectness" as we make movies here . . . . I'm very sensetive to that stuff. I didn't notice the descrepency of the rifle in the saloon. But did sort of choke when I saw the saddles on the horses. Everything else very historically correct and then saddles on horses that have low cantles and are much nice that would have been owned by farm familys in W.V back shortly after the civil war. The Hatfield home itself is also a bit too "nice". The other homes and cabins look right for the time and the economic situation of those people. But overall . . very watchable and well made.
ps. I grew up in the north . . ( Chicago area ) and we move to the Cincinatti area where I went to college. I observed first hand the squabbling, arguing, animosities, and outright hatered, . . . ....that still existed over the Civil War. That wuz in the late '60s . . . and i'm sure that it still goes on today.
My great-grandfather spent about a year in Elmira Prison after being captured at Front Royal. My grand-mother despised 'Yankees' till the day she died at the ripe old age of 98. I live in Alabama and my mother was from PA so, you can get the idea of how dysfunctional that relationship was...
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-IH161540.jpg?size=67&uid=765a154e-d25e-456f-80cd-dc9c458210fc
Here is an image of Devil Anse horseback. You will notice to saddle ,cavalry bit and headstall. He is also carrying his rifle across his pommel.
My great grand daddy carried his rifle that way so long that he wore the forearm down to the metal . I still have the rifle 1873 32-20.
Its not hard to find some one who knows how folks lived back then. All they have to do is ask the right folks and quit relying on Hollywood and Northern folklorists to "interpret" the past,
interesting photo.... it's also the cover photo on the book
''The Other Feud: William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield in the Civil War " by Philip Hatfield . ISBN:9781453886748
I'll point out the bit is a Shoemaker Bit , the bridle is an M85 ( though it could be an M74 ) in either case a Nose band is added (non Regulation)
It is not shown with the Halter commonly use in conjunction with these two bridles by the Cavalry.
I can not make out the Rosette , but if I had to guess I say it's the bullseye style.
The Saddle appears to be an M85 McClellan ( note the round Rigging ring ) the skirt appears to be added from under the bars
(Non Regulation ) though not unheard of addition by a post saddler
It is simlar to the shape but not as long as the M28 and is not attached on top of the bars with screws as with the M59
Major, you know your stuff!!!
I'd say that horse was used for more than just ridin too~