Was reading a thread on the SASS Wire and a poster claimed that Henry Repeating Arms (company that make the Big Boy, etc....) is planning an 1860 Replica to be on the shelves at the end of 2012.
I've searched high and low for information to validate this . . . haven't found any.
Anyone have more info on this? Truth or hogwash?
I have no idea. But about a year ago I talked to a HRAC rep at a dealer show and asked him if they had ever considered making an 1860. He replied that they had thought about it and it was a possibility - just all boiled down to financial considerations. Expensive to tool up to build it, expensive to produce, and limited market. But they were considering it. If they were to come out with one (a good one), a lot of opinions about the company might change.
I know that about 6 months ago I sent them an e-mail suggesting that they should make a true Civil War Henry rifle. In the answer I got they were open to the idea. I also know of several others that have e-mailed the company wanting an American made Civil War Henry rifle. The market is out there for HRA to make a profit on whatever tooling up they would have to do.
Here is the answer I just got from the company;
Yes we will probably be coming out with one by the end of 2012.
Catherine Scarpa
Customer Service
Henry Repeating Arms, Co.
59 East 1st Street
Bayonne, NJ 07002
Tel (201) 858-4400
Fax (201) 858-4435
----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Thornton
To: kathy@henryrepeating.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: Henryrepeating.com: Contact Message from Andrew Bresnan
I have been hearing rumors about the fact that the Henry Repeating Arms Company is planning on making a correct Civil War M1860 similar to what Uberti is producing now. I would love to have an American made Civil War style Henry rifle as I have mentioned before. Can you tell me if there is any truth to the rumors? I always believe in going to the source for information and not spreading or adding to a rumor.
Thank you for any information you can provide.
Victory thru rapid fire,
Andrew L. Bresnan
National Henry Rifle Company
http://44henryrifle.webs.com/
Western Sharpshooters
http://westernsharpshooters.webs.com/
I'll believe it when I see it. ::) :-X ;)
Being as how the company's founder the late Lou Imperato was largely involved with Colt's 3rd. Generation Black Powder Series
so called signature series, As well as the last run of 2nd Gens.
The son Anthony's success, with Company in the following years, I've give this a better than even chance of frutation.
I'd bet we see this new Henry, perhaps a King patent ( maybe even a 66 ) before you'll ever see a Merwin & Hurbert.
This would be wonderful.
Speaking of Merwin Hulberts, did you all note that the Henry Company did not ask for deposits for their project?
Quote from: Major 2 on February 28, 2012, 05:57:51 AM
Being as how the company's founder the late Lou Imperato was largely involved with Colt's 3rd. Generation Black Powder Series
so called signature series, As well as the last run of 2nd Gens.
The son Anthony's success, with Company in the following years, I've give this a better than even chance of frutation.
I'd bet we see this new Henry, perhaps a King patent ( maybe even a 66 ) before you'll ever see a Merwin & Hurbert.
Be GREAT if they do it. But, remember, the 3rd Gen Colts were made from Uberti parts. It might make sense economically for them to buy the raw parts from Uberti and finish them in the U.S.. Starting from scratch on a gun with such a limited market wouldn't seem to make economic sense. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.
That makes sense and going by Imperato family track record , That's what I'll bet is happening ...
UFPFA (USFA) did it
Doug Turnbull is doing it now ( Uberti Buntline )
Quote from: Pettifogger on February 28, 2012, 08:39:45 AM
Be GREAT if they do it. But, remember, the 3rd Gen Colts were made from Uberti parts. It might make sense economically for them to buy the raw parts from Uberti and finish them in the U.S.. Starting from scratch on a gun with such a limited market wouldn't seem to make economic sense. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.
I am thinking that this might be what they do, but maybe not. At any rate it will be interesting to see if a "true" Henry Civil War version comes from them and if it is an American made rifle.
I'm the one that posted the 1860 Henry in the SASS Classifieds and I got the info direct from Kevin McGuire in HRA customer service.
Aldo Uberti "rediscovered" the method to make the magazine integral as that metal folding looks to be a real SOB IMO. :o
I hope they pull it off, but after the mess that was their attempted "ingratiation" into CAS and the subsequent usage of what many appeared to be totally misleading advertising (their false inferrance to direct Henry lineage) I have little faith in them. This is the same co. that has resorted to late night TV infomercials to sell their rifles for cryin' out loud. ::) Plus, I don't see how an American based co. in of all places New York can get around lawyer safeties. It'll proabably have a big fat tang safety on it. But you can cover that up when you mount an Aimpoint!! ;D :D ;)
I just hope they chamber it for a straight walled 44 cartridge.
Quote from: Galloway on March 01, 2012, 12:24:36 PM
I just hope they chamber it for a straight walled 44 cartridge.
It will be a .44-40 according to customer services I have contacted.
Halleluah! 44-40 or fight!
A Henry in 44-40, must be one of them '73 Henrys I been hearing about! They should bring the introductory run out in 44Russian.
Quote from: Slowhand Bob on April 24, 2012, 12:19:01 PM
A Henry in 44-40, must be one of them '73 Henrys I been hearing about! They should bring the introductory run out in 44Russian.
Agreed. But that is a niche market. ;D
Actually it is even to nichey fer me also, my preference is try for one in .45 one day. I already have to much invested in the Cowboy Special round to add anything else and that is close enuff anyway!
they should make the 1860 henry in 44 russian. its as close to the 44 henry rim fire as we could ever hope. theres plenty of people like me that shoot that cartridge . kurt250
Quote from: kurt250 on April 26, 2012, 08:15:56 PM
they should make the 1860 henry in 44 russian. its as close to the 44 henry rim fire as we could ever hope. theres plenty of people like me that shoot that cartridge . kurt250
You may think there are plenty of people that shoot it, but you are definitely in the minority. No manufacturer is going to mass produce a gun in a caliber for such a small market.
Careful now, I just bought a 45-75 and I understand that brass is not even made in this caliber at the moment! My understanding that Uberti actually made the first run of Henry rifles in the original 44 rimfire. No telling what folks will get a wild hair to try.
Quotethey should make the 1860 henry in 44 russian. its as close to the 44 henry rim fire as we could ever hope.
Hmmm, I thought the .45 Auto Rim was closest.
I imagine if it's made, it will be in .45 Colt and .44 WCF, but that begs the question: why bother? Uberti does a pretty good job. Will they try to undercut the price?
i don't know why! 44 russian i think is one of the best cartridges for cowboy action shooting. its not hard to find , is a very good round for target shooting, you can shoot it in 44 colt, 44 spl pistols and its so close to the original 44 rim fire round. i have a 44 spl henry i had modified to shoot 44 russian. has the same amount of rounds as the original henry,and shoots great. just would like to get a rifle chambered for the 44 russian so there would be less blow back and less fowling in the action.i even tried to get uberti to sell me a 44/40 barrel with out a chamber so i could have my gun smith chamber it for 44 russian. no dise for uberti. but to have a 44 russian chambered henry with the correct head space and correct cartridge fallower would be really something. kurt250
Quotei don't know why!
The .45 Auto Rim is closer in bullet diameter and case length to the .44 Henry; for cartridge length, it's a toss.
Quote44 russian i think is one of the best cartridges for cowboy action shooting. its not hard to find...
True; while brass isn't yet a problem for the .45, the selection of suitable bullets is better for the Russian, and loaded rounds are available. Why, I'd be
quite happy to have a Henry in .44 Russian! (But I still say the .45 is physically the closer match.)
latest information is that these Henry rifles will not be out until some time early next year. This does sound typical. It may or may not materialize.
I was on an N-SSA team with Val Forget when he introduced the Henry repros from Navy Arms. I asked him about the 44-40 chambering. My hope was for a 44 Special or 44 Russian. His answer was that they had to choose a commonly available cartridge that was NEVER loaded commercially to high pressures or with round nose bullets. That narrowed it down to 44-40 (although there are some old Win 92 loads lurking out there). That meant that they had to stretch the frame a bit, but this has the added advantage of making it harder to convert a new Henry into an original Henry. Still, my vote is for 44 Russian.
Yesterday out of curiosity I sent HRAC an email about this. I received a reply from the owner stating that they are coming out with an original design Henry in .44-40 this spring.
Last year our local gun store had an unfired Uberti Henry in .44-40 on consignment. Someone won in a raffle and just wanted to get rid of it. It sold for $650. I was on vacation at the time and missed it.
I would like to buy a Henry someday and it would be great if it were made in the USA.
i got a old one from navy arms that i have toted for years now. its like a fine wine it gets sweeter with age, if h.r.a was to make a american made one i would snatch one up in a hurry.
I would hope that what they make is an American made Henry rifle 100%. My fear is that they will do what Colt did a few years back and get parts from Uberti then finish and assemble the parts and stamp the Colt name on them and call it a Colt. I can almost see this happening, Henry parts from Uberti, finished and assembled here and called Americaqn made.
Sean... you do know the current Henry Repeating Arms Co. is the Company Lou Imperato founded
and is run by his son Anthony....
Lou Impertao was the man behind Colt's Blackpowder Series venture and totally behind the 3rd Gen. Colts Signature Series run.
I'm not saying this is the case, but with that history , would you think they would re-invent the wheel ?
Would you think ( 1st case scenario ) Import raw castings ( saving many Millions in CNC start up cost ) and US assemble.
That is my take anyway .... would buy one ? remains to be seen.
Their Motto is "Made In America and Priced Right" A bit of stretch perhaps ,but still correct I suppose.
I'm with Major 2. The cost of tooling and then ramping up for production from scratch is ....... obscene. Add to that, we are a little itty bitty market at near saturation. Start up??? Really doubt it. Buy parts from Uberti and play like USFA?? Sure. Me, buy one?? No. I'd prefer to buy from Uberti who already know how to assemble them.
Besides, already got four and just want an Iron Frame to round things out ;D
Coffinmaker
There another thought ....
With the current United Nation agenda, which has to do with importation of Firearms,
Seem highly likely, Oversea manufactures might look to US manufacturers for domestic assembly and form alliances.
Seem far fetched ? not at all... Beretta is all ready manufacturing in the USA.
And Beretta owns Uberti, seems a logical step to aline with Henry Repeating Arms.
I heard, several other Italian Gun manufactures are pooling efforts and setting up a USA assembly factory, perhaps
in Florida.
Like Coffinmaker said, "me buy one" ? well, I too have several Henry's , a Military 45 Colt , Steel Frame 45 Colt
a 44/40 20"er Navy Arms I bought NIB in 1980, sold in 1988 and bought back in 2009.
I'm kinda intrested :-\ if the price is right and the product is as well.
When the caliber of .44-40 was mentioned to me in the emails sent from HRA I felt that they would probably be importing parts since the set up expenses for a truly American made Henry would be a major investment and probably not a major return on the investment. To say that it would be an American made Henry rifle would not be true if the parts were made elsewhere and then assemblied in the US. However if the parts were made in the US by whatever company and then assembled by HRA the statement of an American made Henry rifle would be true. American jobs producing an American product is always a good thing.
I too would have liked to see a Henry rifle made in .44 Russian which would have been a closer cartridge to the original. Also with the .44 Russian the magazine capacity would have been correct. Then with an Uberti Henry already selling for over $1300 depending on importer the price of a HRA would probably be more than that. Would I buy on, well depending on the price and also depending on if it was a true American made Henry rifle. I already have one American made Henry rifle as well as my Uberti that I reenact with. I had always thought that before the company started "tracing" its roots to the New Have Arms Henry rifle of the Civil War that they should have at least made a modern reproduction of one.
I know that Uberti is owned by Benelli which also owns Stoger and Franchi. I didn't know that Beretta was in the same group.
Quote from: major on January 09, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
I know that Uberti is owned by Benelli which also owns Stoger and Franchi. I didn't know that Beretta was in the same group.
The Beretta Holding Group, controlled by the Beretta family, owns firearm manufacturers Beretta, Benelli, Franchi, Uberti, Sako, and Stoeger, as well as their international distributors and subsidiaries, and the optics manufacturer Burris.
Henry Replica (http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=H011&mfg=All&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=44-40&fin=&sit=&zipcode=37076)
I guess I will not be buying one at that price
:o MSRP: $2,300.00 :o
I suppose that may be full on MSRP but may be somewhat less Retail ..still over $2000+ :-\ = PASS
A bit too rich for my blood...
It would be an interesting rifle to have, but not at that price.
You could get two Italian henrys for that price. I'll stick with my Uberti.
$1,860 here:
http://www.firearmsforyou.com/guns/rifles/henry-bth-original-44-40-h011-h011/
$1725.65 here:
http://grabagun.com/henry-repeating-arms-original-henry-bth-44-40-bl-wd.html
No photos anywhere to be found. ???
Come on fellas, did you really think HRA could do this for the price of an Uberti? If you want made in the USA, then you have to pay.... reality is a pretty sobering thing.......That said, they will sell a few.....just because...
...and not to rub too much salt into the wound- we ain't seen one yet, like the old man said.
At this time I have more faith HRA will produce one from Uberti raw parts...
than either USFA coming back , or M&H ever producing anything beyond Rhetoric ::)
And yeah I expected it to be upper $1$$$ just not $2$XX ???
Did I read that Add for the H.R. A. right ?Are they saying that it will be made as a iron frame . Or are they making a brass frame? ........Dusty.
I did not see where it says "made as a iron frame"
but I did catch in the Spec- Receiver BLUE :-\ hmmmmmmmmmm
If any reliable American company made an EXACT iron frame replica, then I would be willing to fork over the 2k. Seems nobody much balks at that kind of money and mucho north of there for guns like the Shilo Sharps. But from what I've seen of HRA, I'm not holding my breath.
if h.r.a. does make a henry and it is as well made as my c.sharps i won't bat a eye at 2 grand. but if its just a rebuilt and fancied up uberti, i'll pass
Hi,
Here is a thought change colors and carry a Maynard .... they are actually being made .... and here in the US!
TTFN,
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/OSLHcemeterytour020.jpg)
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/MaynardOpen_zpsc970306d.jpg)
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/civil-war/Maynard-gun.pdf
Beretta from what I read is the oldest continuing manufacturer of firearms in the world. They predate the founding of the US by at least 250 years. Not that I am a fan of them but they must have something to last from the 1500's. Any other makers of anything around from the time of 100 years before the Pilgrims set foot on Plymouth Rock.
Beretta is the oldest, continuous, manufacturing company "of any type" in the world................I just read that in a magazine article about gun manufacturing.
Quote from: tyrel cody on January 16, 2013, 07:05:28 PM
Henry Replica (http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=H011&mfg=All&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=44-40&fin=&sit=&zipcode=37076)
Theres a picture now and the receiver doesnt look quite correct. Notice the pronounced curve angle of the receiver around the lever hinge.
I dont have calipers, but the OAL of the receiver looks too long as well.
Quote from: Pancho Peacemaker on May 02, 2013, 09:19:44 PM
Theres a picture now and the receiver doesnt look quite correct. Notice the pronounced curve angle of the receiver around the lever hinge.
I dont have calipers, but the OAL of the receiver looks too long as well.
May be just the angle :-\ and to accommodate 44/40 or that may be computer image rather that true photo :-\
I still think , if Henry is going to offer these , they did not do the CNC startup from scratch.
In the limited market the Henry will appeal to , they need to sell 8000-8500 @ the MSRP just to break even on the start up CNC. tooling.
I still say they are working with Beretta/Uberti.
I bet it still won't do anything a Uberti henry can't at half the price.
Quote from: MJN77 on May 03, 2013, 05:48:31 AM
I bet it still won't do anything a Uberti henry can't at half the price.
and there in lies the rub,
same thing applies to a Uberti SAA VS a Colt 3rd. Gen.
(http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/h011.jpg)
Actually looks good to me....But $2300!!! Now that is all out of proportion!
Why on earth would anyone want a "real" Henry?? You can't get ammunition for it. If HRA is going to market with a reproduction of the original Henry, bet it's Italian parts. The market won't support the cost of the start up. After having spent the last 15+ years working on CAS guns, the Italian reproductions need some attention to be really user friendly, but they work just fine and digest ammunition we can actually buy.
"A Colt is still a Colt." Absolutely true. New manufacture copy of the original that needs some attention to be really user friendly. Those who buy them, pay a lot of money for a name and a prancing horse on the grip panels.
Coffinmaker
The most difficult part of building a Henry reproduction is the barrel. The magazine tube is cast/forged with the barrel. It is not separate like an 1866, 1873, 1892 etc. Then it is bored and rifled. Or maybe the bore is part of the casting? I'd love to see how this is done.
It blows me away that they could do this in 1860!
The receiver could be cast, high pressure molded, CNC machined.......Piece of cake with extreme low production costs. No reason it would need to be made in Italy. Modern machining technology of only the past few years has allowed anyone with a relatively modest machine shop to turn out world class 1911 pistols and AR15 rifles......Hence there are over 150 companies in the USA doing just that!
I'm still hung up on the $2300.............. :o
Quote from: Coffinmaker on May 03, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
Why on earth would anyone want a "real" Henry?? You can't get ammunition for it. If HRA is going to market with a reproduction of the original Henry, bet it's Italian parts. The market won't support the cost of the start up. After having spent the last 15+ years working on CAS guns, the Italian reproductions need some attention to be really user friendly, but they work just fine and digest ammunition we can actually buy.
"A Colt is still a Colt." Absolutely true. New manufacture copy of the original that needs some attention to be really user friendly. Those who buy them, pay a lot of money for a name and a prancing horse on the grip panels.
Coffinmaker
That what I'm talking about :)
Quote from: rbertalotto on May 03, 2013, 12:10:51 PM
The most difficult part of building a Henry reproduction is the barrel. The magazine tube is cast/forged with the barrel. It is not separate like an 1866, 1873, 1892 etc. Then it is bored and rifled. Or maybe the bore is part of the casting? I'd love to see how this is done...
It's done on a mandrel. Not that complicated. Uberti figured it out. Aldo Uberti said the Spencer could not be feasibly duplicated but yet we now have one from Chiappa.
I reserve judgement until there are some real photos. Maybe Bottom Dealin' Mike is in line for a prototype. ;)
I looked at it in person but could not handle it today at the NRA show.
I am not impressed.
The rollmark on the barrel was deep and raised a lot of metal around the text. It looked poor.
The side plates and the receiver are wavy from over polish and dishing.
The edge of the receiver are somewhat rough and not as cleanly done as the uberti.
The fitting of the side plates is not as tight at the uberti's.
The sight looks "less" than the uberti. Maybe thinner? It did not look solid to me.
No silver insert on the front sight. It is a 44/40
I walked over the Uberti and picked up and Iron frame like mine and yes, there was no comparison in my mind that the Uberti was better made.
Yes the price is $2300 for the retail.
Myself? I will stay with uberti.
Peter, thanks for the report. Yours is the first sighting of an actual gun to be reported here.
Your welcome but I hate to be the bearer of bad news. The gun is under glass so you can walk around and look at it but not handle it.
I would like to hear what others at the show think. I know I was disappointed when I looked it over carefully. If it was half the price I could see the errors, but at a premium to an Uberti, it should have been even nicer than the Uberti you could get for $1400 less then 50 yrds away.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/05/robert-farago/new-from-henry-repeating-arms-the-original-henry-rifle-ish/
Well .... Looks fine from 10 - 12 feet ;D
Coffinmaker
Wonder if it has Italian parts ...... Hummmmmm
"We'll build them in America or we won't build them at all!"
Anthony says something like that in his infomercials.........
Go to the link posted and zoom the picture up. Notice how the reflection of red on the side frame is so wavy and along the barrel. That is what I was referring to.
To a 1860 Uberti owner, it was very noticeable.
Quote from: Peter M. Eick on May 04, 2013, 08:27:51 AM
Go to the link posted and zoom the picture up. Notice how the reflection of red on the side frame is so wavy and along the barrel. That is what I was referring to.
To a 1860 Uberti owner, it was very noticeable.
Quote from: Peter M. Eick on May 03, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
I looked at it in person but could not handle it today at the NRA show.
I am not impressed.
The rollmark on the barrel was deep and raised a lot of metal around the text. It looked poor.
The side plates and the receiver are wavy from over polish and dishing.
The edge of the receiver are somewhat rough and not as cleanly done as the uberti.
The fitting of the side plates is not as tight at the uberti's.
The sight looks "less" than the uberti. Maybe thinner? It did not look solid to me.
No silver insert on the front sight. It is a 44/40
I walked over the Uberti and picked up and Iron frame like mine and yes, there was no comparison in my mind that the Uberti was better made.
Yes the price is $2300 for the retail.
Myself? I will stay with uberti.
Look at the front sight, looks like a silver sight, but is it an optical illusion ? ( I think) the show lights are paired clusters it just looks
like the sight... :-\
but the light seem out of line with the others ... it has the right shape, it may be a silver sight.
(http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Anthony-Imperato-holds-The-Original-Henry-Rifle-ish-courtesy-The-Truth-About-Guns.jpg)
QuoteThe most difficult part of building a Henry reproduction is the barrel. The magazine tube is cast/forged with the barrel. It is not separate like an 1866, 1873, 1892 etc. Then it is bored and rifled. Or maybe the bore is part of the casting? I'd love to see how this is done.
Done pretty much the same way today as it was in 1862. The barrel/magazine starts as a bar of steel. It is not cast. The bore is drilled and rifled, Everything that does not look like the finished barrel/magazine is machined away. The magazine is left as two straight 'fins' below the barrel. Then they are rolled into shape as Fox Creek Kid says. Aldo Uberti and Val Forgett II went through quite a development process to get that part right.
Regarding the new 'original' (HAH) Henry; the fit and finish may not be the best. Many times companies rush to finish prototypes or demo models for major industry shows. Production schedules set by marketing departments are often difficult for production departments to keep up with. Particularly with a brand new product. Don't forget too that Henry Repeating Arms suffered some major damage from Hurricane Sandy. A lot of production equipment was damaged or destroyed. I'll bet there was a lot of midnight oil being burned to prepare one prototype for the show. I have been involved with such efforts and I can tell you that the resulting display model is often less than perfect. Sometimes it does not even function, sometimes it is only a 'display model' that does not actually work. I will reserve judgement on quality until I handle an actual production model.
That being said, everybody knows how I feel about the Henry Repeating Arms company and how likely I am to buy anything they produce. Their advertising has not changed, it is still full of falsehoods.
All parts are made in the US according to email from HRA
Update:
http://henryrepeating.com/The-Original-Henry-Rifle.cfm
I am far from an expert but I think everything Henry makes is over priced. A lever action .22 for 429.00 at Dicks on sale??? If I was in the market ( which I am) I would definately lean towards a Uberti 60- 66- or 73.
I await a "fine toothed comb" review by a trusted gunwriter with one in hand before passing final judgement.
You think $429 is expensive for a 22 rimfire lever action? Have you looked at a Marlin recently? It's over $500. At least the Henry is an upscale version for that price - the Yellow Boy. They also make the cheapest 22 lever gun on the market at about $279 local retail for the plain Jane version.
I will agree that the 1860 Henry is on the expensive side. It has prevented me from buying one immediately and will require some additional time to acquire the funds. However, I am one of those willing to put my money where my mouth is and pay what it costs to buy an American made product. I have been slowly replacing my foreign built guns with American built guns - both original and new production. I now have only a few foreign left, and they are kept as backups at this point. I now shoot Colt's, Winchester's, Marlin's, Sharp's, and Remington's across the board.
Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on October 10, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
I await a "fine toothed comb" review by a trusted gunwriter with one in hand before passing final judgement.
Stand by, ( not sure you'll consider me
a trusted gunwriter )
But HRA just sent me one for a Gun review for the NCOWS Shootist
The $2300. is MSRP, anyone hear what the "street price" will be? Still glad I bought my .44-40 Navy Arms Ridgefield N.J. marked Uberti years ago. Shoots good for me!
$1857.96
http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/henry-benjamin-tyler-henry-original-rifle-h011-winchester-lever-action-blued-finish-p-44477.html
I noticed they were "out of stock".
New review with photos & video:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/12/foghorn/gun-review-henry-repeating-arms-model-1860-original-henry-rifle/
If nothing else, they 'sure have Purdy wood on em"!
Interesting , thanks Kid ...my own review will be in the next NCOWS Shootist ;)
Quote from: Fox Creek Kid on December 21, 2013, 04:33:49 AM
New review with photos & video:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/12/foghorn/gun-review-henry-repeating-arms-model-1860-original-henry-rifle/
I hate it when they give guns to people to review who know nothing about them. This guy is an idiot IMO. I learned 3 things from his review: The wood to metal fit is good. The gun comes with a black cloth to keep the frame shiny. The guy is very lucky he did not have a magazine detonation while loading.
DARWIN :-\ ??? Plus one to Abilene. Don't send guns to ignorant IDIOTS!!
Coffinmaker
PS: Looks like a Henry. Works like a Henry. Loads like a Henry. Magazine follower looks like a Uberti. I want to see the innards up close and personal to see if it can be tuned with current after-market parts.
PSS: It is nice to see a reproduction made in the USA.
Forgot. I want one chambered in .44 Spl. With a cartridge stop I could shoot it with .44 Russian ammo. Wheeeeeeeeeeeee ... Burp.
Coffinmaker
Coffinmaker
It is possible to shoot 44 Russian out of one in 44-40 if you do a simple modification to the carrier block & bolt. Here is a link to an article I wrote years ago about making blanks for the 44-40 but the modification to the carrier block & bolt would work for 44 Russian too. Just click on the link below.
Terry
http://www.9thnycavalry.webeditor.com/publications/henry_article.html
The 45 Schofield is close to the rimfire henry in actual bullet caliber and powder capacity. The 45 Cowboy Special is also, being basically a 45 Auto Rim with a thinner rim.
Major and Flint,
I currently have 4 Henry rifles. Two have been converted to side load Henry Transitional's. The other two are standard front load Henrys. I modified the front load Henrys some years ago with just such a cartridge stop screw suggested by Major. It works a treat. Oh, all my rifles are .45s, and I currently shoot Cowboy 45 Special brass. I started out cutting .45 Schofield brass to that length. It almost perfectly duplicates the old .44 Henry flat load. I can load 18 of 'em.
The two rifles I have converted to side load transitional use a custom Carrier Block with a spring loaded stop and a loading slot cut into the side. The 24 inch rifle will hold 18 and the 16inch trapper will hold 12. These guns are capitol FUN.
I also shoot a '66 rifle, 44 Spl, cut to 16 inch Trapper length, in which I shoot Russian cases. A real close approximation of the .44 Henry Flat as well.
With All of the above, I partner either Cap Guns (.44s) or appropriately chambered Open Tops. I really like partnering the .44 Open Tops as that was almost the exclusive chambering of the Open Top.
The short cartridges in ALL all of these guns are just superb. About as close to what was as we can get. I'm always saddened we cant get .44 Henry Flat ammunition so we could play with the originals.
Coffinmaker
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This past Saturday, I passed the 700th round through the Henry H011.
Aside from the one Round very early on with a failed primer, there have been no hiccups.
The Failed round was factory loaded and would not fire after three taps ( one of which in a Uberti Henry).
Mostly Factory Ammo, but about 200 rounds were reloaded BP ( full case 2FF with 200 grain .430 pill )
The Factory loads have been Black Hills when I can get it, Ulrtamax and one box of Magtech.
all have fed just fine...
Major, have you checked the rate of twist on the barrel? Was curious what Henry decided to use and don't see it in their specifications.
No, I haven't, I did slug it @ .429