If you are looking for a period correct WWI 1911 magazine with a lanyard loop, this place sells them:
http://www.shop.tsaknives.com/Colt-45-ACP-Lanyard-Loop-Magazine-45-293L.htm
Warning: these mags do work and they look good, BUT do not try to slam them home with your hand. That little lanyard loop can really hurt if you hit it hard enough.
(http://www.shop.tsaknives.com/images/1188753471310-783169681.jpeg)
Pancho
Some thing I have never read up on though, is how are they to be used?.....
Quote from: SGT John Chapman on November 28, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
Some thing I have never read up on though, is how are they to be used?.....
I believe that they snapped a lanyard on the magazine had another on the pistol. I have no idea if the other 2 magazines had the loops or not.
I got one of those magazines when I bought my WW1 1911 in 1969 or so. I paid $65.00 for it. It included 3 other magazines. 2 boxes of ammo and a GI holster. I still have it along with a chrome plated 1911 and a Kimber. ;D
Will Ketchum
The lanyard was attached to them, so the Cavalry Trooper could drop them free from the weapon.
I've got photos where you can see three lanyards being worn - one for each in the pouch and one on the one in the weapon.
Incidentally - the lanyard for the Model 1909 Colt is different and the clasping device is larger - to accomodate the larger lanyard as found on that weapon.
All original WWI-era M1911 magazines are two-tone finished, by the way - these look to be the types as made in Mexico.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
I have to admit that I'm new to the 1911 format, always been a wheel gun guy, so bare with me, my thoughts on a Lanyard were that the lanyard was for securing the gun to the body via a cord, like the Canadian Mounties wear there hand guns, why would you want a lanyard on a magazine? what is the purpose of it ? was the cord put through the lanyard on 1911 grip frame and the magazine too to secure the magazine to the gun? and if this is the case, why is the lanyard fixed in the position it is on the magazine pictured, you would think it would be close to the back of the grip frame as close to the guns lanyard as possible, and how often was this set up used ?, just curious, Like I said I'm new to 1911.
Regards
tEN wOLVES :D
Yeah,...that was my thought on the whole thing,....I couldn't see a soldier wrapped up in as many lanyards as he had gun and magazines,....just don't make sense,...
As St. George said, they were put there for Cavalry use. If the troopers were participating in a charge and changed magazines they could just let the empty drop and insert a full one. If they fumbled the reload they could still retrieve it.
Will Ketchum
Quote from: Will Ketchum on November 29, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
As St. George said, they were put there for Cavalry use. If the troopers were participating in a charge and changed magazines they could just let the empty drop and insert a full one. If they fumbled the reload they could still retrieve it.
Will Ketchum
Thanks Will, that makes sense, so basically when the magazine is dropped, it still stays on the person by way of the lanyard cord, so he can reload at well and not lose his magazine. It pays to ask questions, Thanks
tEN wOLVES ;D
It also pays to read the entire explanation...
The lanyard loop magazine was primarily for Cavalry - 'they' could fight from horseback and could lose things in a hurry.
Infantry didn't issue as many M1911s - Machinegunners, Non-Coms and Officers were issued them since their jobs were different.
At 'that' time - the lanyard was affixed to the lanyard loop on the mainspring housing - in order to retain the piece should it be dislodged from the hand - a frequent occurrence when subjected to shellfire.
By the Great War, the lanyard loop was done away with on new-production magazines, but many originals remained in service, and were a staple of Cavalry life until 1941.
Interestingly enough - there was also a short-lived 'Cavalry' hammer featuring a longer spur with slightly wider 'ears'.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
Quote from: St. George on November 29, 2010, 06:28:52 PM
It also pays to read the entire explanation...
The lanyard loop magazine was primarily for Cavalry - 'they' could fight from horseback and could lose things in a hurry.
Infantry didn't issue as many M1911s - Machinegunners, Non-Coms and Officers were issued them since their jobs were different.
At 'that' time - the lanyard was affixed to the lanyard loop on the mainspring housing - in order to retain the piece should it be dislodged from the hand - a frequent occurrence when subjected to shellfire.
By the Great War, the lanyard loop was done away with on new-production magazines, but many originals remained in service, and were a staple of Cavalry life until 1941.
Howdy St. George
Like I said earlier, I'm new to 1911, I read your explanation, and didn't totally understand what you were stating, that's why I went on to ask questions, guess I'm slow, sometimes I don't get things the first time around, thanks for clearing this up, I'm sure there are others that might have been wondering also.
Regards
tEN wOLVES
I see two toned magazines with the lanyarn loops on line for sale often. Many of the surplus dealers carry or at least list them. I believe most are under 30 bucks. I buy them with out the loop for 8.00 buying a lot of 6 or NOS surplus military. I am not riding a horse and shooting these days.
Period-original lanyard loop-equipped magazines go for about $100+ - depending upon overall condition - and are highly sought after by collectors of M1911s.
The ones seen are usually 'Made in Mexico' - sometimes made by Triple K, sometimes not.
There's a world of difference in quality.
I've got a footlocker full of regular-issue magazines - all manufacturer-coded for WWII and part-number-coded for later issue.
The late-issued ones with all the numbers on the floorplate are high quality and most like Colt commercial quality.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
Quote from: St. George on December 02, 2010, 08:55:15 AM
I've got a footlocker full of regular-issue magazines - all manufacturer-coded for WWII and part-number-coded for later issue.
The late-issued ones with all the numbers on the floorplate are high quality and most like Colt commercial quality.
That's the type I've been getting still in the wrappers...I have bought some Wilson combat for carrying. I don't believe SASS rules allow the paticular type. Extended- pads etc.
Quote from: litl rooster on December 02, 2010, 06:23:53 AM
I see two toned magazines with the lanyarn loops on line for sale often. Many of the surplus dealers carry or at least list them. I believe most are under 30 bucks. I buy them with out the loop for 8.00 buying a lot of 6 or NOS surplus military. I am not riding a horse and shooting these days.
Could you PM me those sites for $30 lanyard loop two tone mags? I agree with St George, that $100 for a LL TT mag is about right and I could use the profit from selling these.
I'd also like a list of the places selling original two-tone magazines in the $30 range! ;D
In the meantime (while I wait with bated breath for that information) it has recently come to my attention that IMA list 1911 magazines with lanyard loops for $16.95 or two for $29.95 .....
http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-45-acp-7-rnd-magazine-for-colt-m-1911-1911a1-pistols-pair.html (http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-45-acp-7-rnd-magazine-for-colt-m-1911-1911a1-pistols-pair.html)
Has anyone purchased any of these and, if so, can they report on quality?
sorry I hadn't looked in here recently, I'll see if I can find and repost a link
Rattlesnake, I have purchased three of the Metalform mags with the lanyard look and they appear to be at least as good as any Metalform mag. I find them equal to the standard GI mags. I think that this is the same mag IMA sells as well as others. I bought them for display so it really does not matter to me. I think you can make a direct purchase from Metalform but the minimum was too high for me.
If you want two tone just strip the mags of the followers and springs and carefully set them in a glass of plain vinegar to the point you want the blue removed. Works great but you will not get the look of heat treatment.
I have 2 lanyard ring mags. One from Taska knives and the one that came with my pistol.
I ordered a pair of the magazines from IMA yesterday. I have 2 original lanyard mags in an original WW1 pouch and original WW! ammo in the mags. I plan on using the repros for matches and the originals for display. I will look these repros and give an evulation of them on the Wild Bunch thread.
Law Dog, how about a review here to.
Will Ketchum
You got it, Brother Will!
I received the lanyard magazines from IMA today. I am very pleased with them. I think that they are a bargain at $30. for the pair. They are fully blued, unlike my original ones which are two-toned. I would recommend them. They are repros and that is what you are paying for.
TL:
Thanks for the report! Sounds like they are pretty good for the price.
Now I have a really onerous task for you ..... ;D
Can you go to the range and put some rounds downrange from them and then let us know how they function?
(As they say: "Dirty job, but somebody has to do it." ) ;)
Jack, We have a new indoor range in town that I have yet to visit. I plan going up there on Wed. or Thurs of next week. I bought a used Rock Island 45 during the winter that I haven't shot yet. I feel like one of them gun magazine writers. I've got some target ammo on order that should be here next week. Hopefully the plan will come together next week.
Take 'em apart and clean them thoroughly first.
New GI-issued magazines often needed to break in a bit if not cleaned and lubed, so I can only imagine how Pakistani-made magazines will behave.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
I tried out two of the lanyard loop 1911 mags from tsaknives and here's what I found.
Shipping was fast and professional.
One mag would insert and drop free of the 1911 with authority everytime with rounds in it or more importantly when empty.
The second mag inserted easily but was a little out of spec. leading it to hang up when the mag release was hit whether empty or full.
Both mags fed 100% reliably from the get go. Both appear to have an 8 round capacity and the witness holes to verify the 8th round. Neither mag could be made to load the 8th round when new due to stiff springs. Since I distrust 8 round mags I have not tried to get an 8th round in since the failed first effort. Vinegar easily removed the blueing on the outer mag body to give them the two tone effect of the originals and enhanced my impression measurably. My lanyards clipped on with little fuss though unclipping required some strategy.
I did use them successfully to win my category at a local annuals WB side match.
Pros: work great and look good.
Cons: extra witness hole seems to undermine authenticity, hate to have to pull the second mag out on the clock since it won't drop free.
would recommend though a little pricey. Would buy again.
Texas Lawdog:
Have you used your IMA lanyard-loop mags? Can you report on function and reliability?
It's been a while since I bought mine but looking at the IMA web site I believe it is where I got mine. I can report that it is one of the best magazines I own. I had a feed issue with the first round I fired from it but since then there have been no issues either in feed reliability nor in dropping free when empty. I use it and the lanyard ring mag that came with my Cimarron 1911 as my main WB match mags. I have used the IMA in both the Cimarron and the High Standard 1911-A1 that I previously owned and it functions equally well in both. I also own Kimber, Colt and US mil-surplus mags and the IMA is my favorite.
I almost bought a pair of the mags from IMA until I got to the checkout and saw that they were gonna hit me up for $10.55 UPS ground shipping. It would take at least a week to get from NJ to Tx via UPS. I could have them in 3 days via USPS Priority Mail for $4.95. USPS would provide them with all their boxes, envelopes, tape & shipping labels free of charge. They wanted $10.60 for Priority Mail if I had a PO Box. I don't like being ripped off by some company who wants to charge $5.65 for grabbing a couple mags out of a bin, dropping in them in a box or envelope & typing up a mailing label, slapping it on the pkg & dropping them in another bin for the PO or UPS to pick up. They want to sell a product but want to charge the customer for getting it ready to ship. What do they expect, the product to jump out of the stock bin & get itself ready to ship? It cost them a sale. I told em so too. >:( I probably won't hear back from them until Monday.
When I had a mailorder business I never charged my customers a handling charge, just the actual postage. I considered it part of the expense of doing business.
Anybody know where I can buy a couple of these w/o getting shafted?
I have 7 original pre 1916 Colt magazines with the lanyard loop and they are the best functioning magazines that I have ever used, with the exception of Wilson 47D's that I use for other shooting disciplines. For the first mag in the pistol during a match, originals can't be beat, but reloading the gun with a second mag is a bit hard on the hands.
A few years back I found some lanyard loop 1911 mags at "Cheaper Than Dirt". They were priced right for 3 each for $??. Anyhow, they work perfectly in my Springfield M1911A1. I have subsequently replace the Mainspring housing on the Springfield with a M1911 flat M/S housing w/lanyard loop.
Passes the 10foot rule.
Those mags look good. The only issue I have with then is that the originals were blued only on the bottom half of the magazine. There was a slanted line of demarcation separating the blued half from the bare metal tops.[/color]
That's because the lips were hardened and the bluing process only dipped that part of the magazine that might become expose to weather.
Scouts Out!
I remember reading somewhere that the "two-tone look" can be approximated by setting all-blue magazines lips-down in a container of vinegar.
Trust me, vinegar will remove bluing! Found that out the hard way, years ago, when I thought - vinegar being so good for removing BP fouling from brass - I'd swab out my bore with a vinegar-saturated patch .... ::)
'Vanish' toilet bowl cleaner 'will' remove bluing - no problem.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!