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Title: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: edward austin cable on April 03, 2010, 12:53:58 PM
Wanted to now if anybody has had problems with Cimarron's New Army Conversion? Im looking to get one in the 5 1/2 in barrel. Anybody have one? What holster/belt combination do you use with your New Army Conversion?
Cable
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on April 03, 2010, 02:38:42 PM
I have one from Taylors in 7 1/2" it's been a fine shooter.
It is one of the first one Uberti sent ovet here, and was the subject of the the gun review and a test mule.
I had no issues.

Holster is from Davd Carrico & my hand made belt
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: River City John on April 03, 2010, 07:39:51 PM
Howdy E.A. Cable,

My '63 New Model Army Conversion by them Cimarron fellers is smooth as a baby's behind and The Boss! I prefer a 7 1/2" barrel for me in revolvers every time.
I musta been lucky, because it has been no trouble and hits p.o.a. with the BP load I shoot in it. (Basically a 240gr lead in a case full of ffg with about 1/8" compression when slug seated flush with the crimp groove.)

I did like a bit thinner grips, and as I usually strip off a shiny finish and oil them anyway, I took some sandpaper to them to remove both lacquer and bulk.

About the only complaint I have heard from folks is that their middle finger at the base joint gets a mite banged up by recoil from the trigger guard by the end of a typical match. It has not happened to me yet, and I don't think my hand size is any different. So perhaps I use a firmer grip where my whole arm takes the recoil up and back, as opposed to using a softer grip that allows the Remington to roll back and up in the hand first, slamming into and rotating around the middle finger then continue through in movement up of the gun arm. That's the only way I kin figger it.

Right now I am using a Civil War plain black waist belt with oval 'U.S.' plate, a CW pistol belt cartridge box to hold cartridges, and a modified reverse draw flap holster with the flap cut off and molded so that the pistol is carried as a strong side butt to the rear. This was a not uncommon field modification during the Indian Wars era.(Seen especially in several images of 9th & 10th Cav. Non-coms.)
It also gives a definite forward cant to the revolver that makes my draw a bit easier to clear leather and get to battery. (An added bonus is that brass ball post that would have held the flap strap I put to use to hang my empty brass pouch using a fitted loop in the drawstring so's I can carry the empty brass back to my saddlebags.)

It suits me. ;)

Between 1865 thru the early 1870's era, for the most part the Slim Jim style of holster was predominant. This is the timeframe of my persona, and I'm a CW veteran. Other arms from later in the period, such as my '72 Open Top, I use a civilian Slim Jim. I'm right partial to the Slim Jim in all it's variants. ;D
RCJ  
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: edward austin cable on April 03, 2010, 11:07:50 PM
Thank you both gentlemen for the excellent feedback. I will use it accordingly. RCJ, I myself am also very fond of the slim jim holsters, thats what I use to carry almost all of my revolvers.
Cable
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on April 04, 2010, 06:05:48 AM
Agreed I prefer Slim Jim's  these are Dave's


"I musta been lucky, because it has been no trouble and hits p.o.a"
My shoots POA as well  :)

I initially fitted some Grip-maker Polymer Ivory grips, but they are to slippery. I opp-ed back to the OEM grips with the Finish removed as well.
Although the sizing was fine, I just used stripper & 0000 steel wool... very easy to do
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Abilene on April 04, 2010, 01:36:55 PM
The '58 conversion is going to be prominent in the new Jonah Hex movie, there's a cool pic of it in the movie poster.  Of course with Megan Fox in the picture you might not notice the Remmie right away  ;D

Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Harley Starr on April 04, 2010, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: Abilene on April 04, 2010, 01:36:55 PM
The '58 conversion is going to be prominent in the new Jonah Hex movie, there's a cool pic of it in the movie poster.  Of course with Megan Fox in the picture you might not notice the Remmie right away  ;D



Megan Fox and a Remington conversion together on the big screen? Now that's a movie I would pay to see. ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on April 05, 2010, 05:28:07 PM
Yep !......and 1860 in another  ;)
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Capt'n Jack on April 06, 2010, 11:13:22 AM
finally got around to shooting mine last week, a short barrel version.  It worked flawlessly and shot slight to the left and low with my usual 200 gr RN Cowboy loads at 25 yards.  Grouping was good, especially since I am over 60 and have the left master eye problem which may account for the left pull.  Very pleasant to shoot and a handsome gun if ever I saw one.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 01, 2010, 06:57:15 AM
I know this is an old thread, but I have a question about the Remington conversions. How do they do with black powder? I mean, do they have the same binding problems as the C&B Remingtons? I love my C&B 1863s and my .44-40 1875, I just wanted to know about these guns, as I cannot find a lot about them.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on October 01, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
They like black,  but they do get sticky about the 5 Cyl full .. shot of Blistaol and a rag and you back in biz.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 01, 2010, 07:10:47 PM
Thank you Major. That's what I wanted to know. :)
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on October 02, 2010, 01:28:49 AM
I like to use Gibbs lube too in an aerosol can or pump bottle
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 02, 2010, 01:16:29 PM
Never heard of Gibbs. I always used Bore Butter on my 51 navies and 63 remmies. Have to look into it. Are these guns still scarce? I've heard for a long time, no one had any.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on October 02, 2010, 01:24:55 PM
Never heard about it!  Until now!

http://www.gibbslubetx.com/
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Abilene on October 02, 2010, 04:51:10 PM
Quote from: MJN77 on October 02, 2010, 01:16:29 PM
Never heard of Gibbs. I always used Bore Butter on my 51 navies and 63 remmies. Have to look into it. Are these guns still scarce? I've heard for a long time, no one had any.
At the moment, Cimarron has only .38 spcl '58 conversions in stock
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 02, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
Thanks fellas.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 07, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
Well, I just ordered one from Taylor's. 8" .44-40. Guess I'll see what they are like for myself. ;D
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Bangor Dan on October 11, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
Hey,
thanks for the heads up regarding Taylors having the 44-40 version in stock. Just had my dealer confirm this and order one for me.

Watched a pard shooting a pair of the 5 1\2 inchers in 45 Colt at our local NCOW's match yesterday, and noticed the difficulty he had with "showing" that the hammer was actually down on the empty chamber.
Thanks again,

Bangor Dan
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Fox Creek Kid on October 18, 2010, 01:55:58 AM
I`d be curious to know the chamber specs for this 44-40 as well as the groove diam. Uberti 44-40 revolvers were notorious for having under sized chamber mouths & shoulders.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: MJN77 on October 18, 2010, 11:18:22 AM
Don't know the specs, but I was getting "cloverleaf" groups off hand at 35 feet. The other three Uberti .44-40s I own are almost as accurate.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Holden A. Grudge on October 18, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: Bangor Dan on October 11, 2010, 01:49:08 PM
Watched a pard shooting a pair of the 5 1\2 inchers in 45 Colt at our local NCOW's match yesterday, and noticed the difficulty he had with "showing" that the hammer was actually down on the empty chamber.
Thanks again,

Bangor Dan

I shoot the 5 1/2 version in .38.   Usualy takes at least one explanation at the loading table that you can't do the standard check to see only 5 loaded.  Some have suggested a dowel that can be slid down the barrell but most will watch me load and see that I know what I am doing and not give me any greif about it.
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: River City John on October 18, 2010, 05:16:53 PM
I just instruct the one manning the loading table to 'peek' around the front as I hold the bottom of the cylinder towards the firing line. Just enough to see the exposed lead slugs at the cylinder mouth.

RCJ
Title: Re: Cimarron 1858 New Army Conversion
Post by: Major 2 on October 19, 2010, 05:38:13 AM
Using the load one,  skip one , load 4 method....if he is paying attention , and HE should be ,else why is he there !
He should be assured only five are loaded and that the empty chamber is under the hammer.
I have the same issue with my Type 1's