If'n I lose the rolled up umbrella this cart OK?
(http://www.bnincustomers.com/~rloucks/Misc/Cart2.JPG)
And if yes then would flying a non controversially flag be permit?
(http://www.bnincustomers.com/~rloucks/Misc/Cart.JPG)
And yes I am aware the shotgun belt is tabbo....
Matthew:
Are you referring to the "stars and bars" or to the lawn umbrella?
The flag (as an historically correct item) would pass my muster, anyway, but the umbrella would not be acceptible.
Matthew, Please don't take offense, none is intended. Nice cart, But For the most part,we try not not to use carts. Hard to call most of them period correct. Heck I shoot Pistoleer. Got more stuff to tote around than any other class. I move slow, but I manage. We make allowances for older shooters, and handicapped folks. Short of that, at leased at both clubs I belong to, We get by without them. They look awful in pictures. Just my .02 Cents. Regards, Jed
Quote from: Jed Cooper on November 23, 2009, 04:04:20 PM
Matthew, Please don't take offense, none is intended. ...
No offense taken.
So how do y'all haul 100 rounds 45 Colt, 25 rounds 12 gage, squip rod (for other Cowpokes to use), screwdrive with multiable tips and where do you leave your long guns while a doing posse duties?
Matthew,
bottom line is carts are NCOWS approved. Use it in all good conscience. Every NCOWS range I have ever shot at I have seen carts being used.
That being said, many ranges have racks available for longarms at the stages, and lots of folks haul their ammo, etc. in saddlebags, a carpet bag or the like.
RCJ
Matthew, Iam also cahauling around all the stuff to load 2 44 cal. 1860 colts. All but the guns are in my saddle bags tossed over my shoulder, pistols in holsters, and shotgun, and rifle in each hand. Give it a try, then tease the other guys ;) ;D Jed PS After 30 years of chasing bad guys, 20 of that on a police motorcycle, I've broken about everything including my back & neck. I still can't bring myself to use a cart. :) Hope this helps. Jed
If I ever get the chance to shoot with an NCOWS group I figured I throw together a wooden wheelbarrow.
Quote from: Shotgun Franklin on November 23, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
If I ever get the chance to shoot with an NCOWS group I figured I throw together a wooden wheelbarrow.
If you shoot at GLFMC there are racks set up to rest your long guns:
(http://home.comcast.net/~glfmcposse/09regional/whoneedscart1.jpg)
Most of the shooters there will carry their ammo and accessories in saddlebags or haversacks, or carpetbags.
MD,
I'll offer a different perspective. Me and my posse are new to NCOWS. I'm still a cart user. I usually shoot with one of my kids in tow with gear, snacks, & water. I also shoot a 4 gun class and need to carry ammo for all 4 guns. I'm also part of my club leadership and I usually carry an extra shot timer, and extra hearing and vision protection for new shooters or spectators. I usually carry a spare rifle and shotgun for newbies incase they need to borrow an iron.
Needless to say, I'm somewhat of a pack-rat and probably always will be. Maybe someday, I'll just buy a spare mule to haul all my gear around. The mule would look more period correct than any cart.
We do have several club members who are moving toward "cart-less" shooting and arrange their gear in a saddle bag or carpet bag. We've altered our range to support this by creating lots of rifle racks. After visiting the NCOWS Nationals, I think the organizational mentality towards gun carts is that of a necessary evil. They are not period correct, but some shooters carry a large enough kit to warrant their need.
I do cast cudos toward the shooter who makes an attemp at making a cart that has the "air" of pre-1900 design. I'm a woodworker hobbist and I enjoyed building, staining, & personalizing my cart.
BTW, your cart looks cool in my book.
Pancho
You know a lot of the "Mormans" pushed all their wordly goods across the plains on two wheeled handcarts in their great migration. More like a fruit peddlers cart if I remember rightly. Celeste
Ima Sure Shot.... Like these
I saved the 1st. photo of an NCOWS member pull cart...I have forgotten who made this one perhaps he will chime in and fess up..it's a dandy
The second is a Orginial Photo circa unknown but it does show several
Quote from: Major 2 on November 23, 2009, 10:39:09 PM
Ima Sure Shot.... Like these
I saved the 1st. photo of an NCOWS member pull cart...I have forgotten who made this one perhaps he will chime in and fess up..it's a dandy
Rattlesnake Jack Robson made that cart. I believe it is a Metis-style cart in a reduced scale. He will eventually chime in on the details, I'm sure.
Matthew, The main thing we want you to do is come to the GLFMC shoot anytime you would like to do so. You will be most welcome. We can work out the "details" once you get there. Everybody has their opinions about gun carts, but River City John is correct. Carts are allowed if you choose to use them. At Modoc nobody really uses one as the stages are designed with plenty of gun racks and tables to set your stuff on. Even for some of our older folks ( I am not naming names here), there really is no burden managing the guns, ammo and other stuff. Regards. Deadeye.
Anyone who visit the GLF&MC will have a most enjoyable time. Good people and a good place to shoot. They even make us from Kentucky feel welcome. Tj
my cart is a copy of a 2 wheeled pieroid wagon that wood be pulled by mule, horse etc..
A scratching my head...well it sure would be nice not to load, haul, assembly, disaasemble, haul back home and unlaod a cart :)
And I've been looking for an excuse for a getting saddle bags... ;D
Matthew,
I'd been using a cart for SASS matches for ten years. With a wife and grandson shiooting, we needed a cart for six long guns, ammo, tools, etc. When we started shooting NCOWS matches we gradually shifted to saddlebags. Kinda thought we'd miss the cart, but after using saddlebags we're using the cart less and less at our home range. Of course, if your SASS range doesn't have any racks for your long guns, a cart might be more of a necessity.
Good luck and tell Furball that Cole and Tom Jack said "Hello" next time you see him.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Cole
Here an Idea I'm working on
I like the idea of no cart, but how do you deal with your spent blackpowder brass? I typically have a large coffee can of soapy water to dump them in. Do ya just carry the spent cases dry? If so, can ya ever tumble 'em clean again? (Not that shiney-new brass is a goal of mine anyhowz. ;D)
ol' poke
Quote from: ol' poke on November 25, 2009, 12:51:08 PM
I like the idea of no cart, but how do you deal with your spent blackpowder brass? I typically have a large coffee can of soapy water to dump them in. Do ya just carry the spent cases dry? If so, can ya ever tumble 'em clean again? (Not that shiney-new brass is a goal of mine anyhowz. ;D)
ol' poke
OP, I just dump mine in a canvas bank money bag that I carry in my saddle bags till break time. Then I take em to the truck, And put them in soapy water. When I tumble my brass I use a little scent free mineral spirits in my media. Works great. Been doing it for a long time. Regards, Jed
Quote from: ol' poke on November 25, 2009, 12:51:08 PM
I like the idea of no cart, but how do you deal with your spent blackpowder brass? I typically have a large coffee can of soapy water to dump them in. Do ya just carry the spent cases dry? If so, can ya ever tumble 'em clean again? (Not that shiney-new brass is a goal of mine anyhowz. ;D)
ol' poke
I even wait until I get home before puttng the cases in soapy water. I let them soak for a couple of hours and then change the water so the cases don't continue to soak in grungy water. I'll usually change the water another time or two to remove BP residue. Then I let the cases dry before putting them in the tumbler.
Quote from: Major 2 on November 25, 2009, 11:14:29 AM
Here an Idea I'm working on
Sharp!
What will the finished weight be? I've noticed as time progresses a pound weighs more then when I was younger....
Empty it tips @ about 18-20 Lbs
Made of Poplar, I stopped working on it ...because I use a Saddle Valise ( I made my own a bit more ornate )
But you can buy one here add a shoulder strap and your set
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170409216432&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXI7&GUID=75c0efb211f0a0e204e0dbe0ffa8711d&itemid=170409216432&ff4=263602_263622
or in black from the same guy
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mcclellan-saddle-valise-cavalry-repro
Quote from: Buffalow Red on November 25, 2009, 06:44:25 AM
my cart is a copy of a 2 wheeled pieroid wagon that wood be pulled by mule, horse etc..
Buffalow......
Nice looking cart but if you are planning to shoot an NCOWS match I don't think the modern spoked rubber wheels will pass muster. There are some nice wooden wheels out there that would look nice on your cart.
Bill
The original gun cart - unquestioned NCOWS approval.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x80/Jhunt67/PackIronScabbard.jpg)
Expensive, but remember that it is a self propelled model. 8)
Quote from: James Hunt on November 25, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
The original gun cart - unquestioned NCOWS approval.
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x80/Jhunt67/PackIronScabbard.jpg)
Expensive, but remember that it is a self propelled model. 8)
Yeah...
But you still gotta fill it up with fuel.... ;D
Bill
Quote from: Major 2 on November 23, 2009, 10:39:09 PM
Ima Sure Shot.... Like these
I saved the 1st. photo of an NCOWS member pull cart...I have forgotten who made this one perhaps he will chime in and fess up..it's a dandy
Yep .... I made that one ..... it is an (approximately) half scale Metis "Red River Cart" - the originals were entirely handmade, with no metal fasteners or other parts - all lap joints, wood pegs and rawhide lashings .... the
appearance of which I have duplicated. They weren't handcarts, though ... rather, they were made to be drawn by a single ox or horse, and were the quintessential Canadian Old West conveyance! Like the originals, mine can be rigged with a canvas cover for cargo protection during inclement weather .....
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Red%20River%20Cart/c081787.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Red%20River%20Cart/covered02.jpg)
I can haul a lot of stuff in it .... however, even though the wheels are quite easily removed and replaced, it is a bit cumbersome to transport to a shoot. I mostly just use it at my home club .....
Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on November 25, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
Buffalow......
Nice looking cart but if you are planning to shoot an NCOWS match I don't think the modern spoked rubber wheels will pass muster. There are some nice wooden wheels out there that would look nice on your cart.
Bill
thanks i am concedering a pair of wooden wheels
Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on November 25, 2009, 06:06:05 PM
Yeah...
But you still gotta fill it up with fuel.... ;D
Bill
i got one of those self propled fuel eating 4 leged carts but she is realy gun noise shy