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Title: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 07:44:27 AM
Well now, if you walk the walk you oughta be able to talk the talk.  Let's see how well you can.  Tell me what these mean.

Nailed to the counter

Oh-be-joyful

Hot as a w___ehouse on nickel night

Flannel mouth 

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on September 28, 2004, 07:53:02 AM
OooppppS, forgot i had the day off! :o ::)Oh be joyfull was what the CW soldiers called their home brew concoctions taking the place of regular libations in camp..........Buck 8) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 08:05:21 AM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on September 28, 2004, 07:53:02 AM
OooppppS, forgot i had the day off! :o ::)Oh be joyfull was what the CW soldiers called their home brew concoctions taking the place of regular libations in camp..........Buck 8) ;D ;D

One down, three to go.  I think "Oh be joyful" eventlually became slang for most any intoxicating beverage.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on September 28, 2004, 08:51:21 AM
Flannel mouth - I would think it meant that the mouth was as dry as flannel/cotton.  ???

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 28, 2004, 08:59:07 AM
Flannel-Mouth talks to much.

Nailed ta the counter I'll guess, hard ta steal.

Hotter than, well busy, kinda a like the day after Thanksgivin' sales.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on September 28, 2004, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 28, 2004, 08:59:07 AM
Flannel-Mouth talks to much.
Like flapping in the breeze?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 12:58:35 PM
Flannel mouth ~ an overly smooth or fancy talker, especially politicians or salesmen. "I swear that man is a flannel-mouthed liar."

Nailed to the counter ~ proven a lie.

Hot as a w___ehouse on nickel night ~ pretty danged hot.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 01:03:11 PM
Next batch:

Quirley

Shoot, Luke, or give up the gun

Who-hit-John

Got the bulge


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on September 28, 2004, 02:42:44 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 01:03:11 PM
Next batch:

Quirley

Shoot, Luke, or give up the gun

Who-hit-John

Got the bulge


Who-hit-john     Whiskey or corn liquor?
Got the bulge    Holding a gun on the person or is it just showing you're carryin'
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 28, 2004, 07:03:30 PM
You're battin' 500 on this one, Russ T.

Who-hit-John ~ Liquor, beer, intoxicating spirits. "He had a little too much who-hit-John." ;D

Got the bulge ~ have the advantage. "We'll get the bulge on him, and take his gun away." :(



Still lookin' for definitions of these:

Shoot, Luke, or give up the gun

Quirley

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 09:22:30 AM
Quirley  Cigarette?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 09:22:30 AM
Quirley  Cigarette?

Slim

Well looky here, ol' Slim went an' done it again.

Quirley ~ roll-your-own cigarette.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 09:22:30 AM
Quirley  Cigarette?

Slim

Well looky here, ol' Slim went an' done it again.

Quirley ~ roll-your-own cigarette.
It's in a Marty Robbins song.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 04:00:14 PM
Each night on cattle drives, a cowboy would be tasked to herd the remuda and then bring them in and have them ready to go in the morning.  What did they call the cowboy "lucky" enough to catch that duty?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 04:39:01 PM
Night Hawk
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 04:39:01 PM
Night Hawk

Del had no ifs, ands, or buts, just the correct answer.  Hope he ain't becomin' a man of few words. ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 04:39:01 PM
Night Hawk

Del had no ifs, ands, or buts, just the correct answer.  Hope he ain't becomin' a man of few words. ;)
I doubt that.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 05:14:10 PM
Here's some new ones:

A hog-killin' time

Bear sign

Take the rag off

Rip


and here's one that is still unanswered:

Shoot, Luke, or give up the gun

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
Bear sign is a thing like a doughnut that is lust rolled out kinda like a big playdough snake and looks like, well "bear sign".  Kinda like the old saying, "does a bear sign in tha woods." :o ;D ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
Bear sign is a thing like a doughnut that is lust rolled out kinda like a big playdough snake and looks like, well "bear sign".  Kinda like the old saying, "does a bear sign in tha woods." :o ;D ::) ::)

Only at Bear Crossings.  Guess ya 'spect me ta bear with ya on this, but I'm bearly able to bear the brunt of yore loss of bearings.  D Boone kill a bar on this tree.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 05:54:37 PM
Rip is rest in peace.

Shoot Luke or give up the gun, would that be like "Sign" ;D or get off the chamber pot. :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 05:54:37 PM
Rip is rest in peace.

Shoot Luke or give up the gun, would that be like "Sign" ;D or get off the chamber pot. :o


Congrats, you got the the second one right. Rest in peace, however is most generally appreviated in all upper case letters RIP.  The slang rip isn't normally capitalized. With that outta the way, heeeeerrrrrr's rip -  reprobate. "He's a mean ol' rip." 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 09:49:54 PM
A hog killin' time would be a fun get tagethar, with food and friends, just like a hog killin'. ;D

Would take the rag off mean ta show who ya are, like takin' the bandanna ofen yer face?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 06:08:21 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 29, 2004, 09:49:54 PM
A hog killin' time would be a fun get tagethar, with food and friends, just like a hog killin'. ;D

Would take the rag off mean ta show who ya are, like takin' the bandanna ofen yer face?

I guessin' Del's killed some hogs in his time, cause he's got that one right.  A hog-killin' time ~ a real good time. "We went to the New Year's Eve dance and had us a hog-killin' time."

Must be thinkin' of a differnt rag, however.  Take the rag off ~ surpass, beat all. "Well, if that don't take the rag off the bush."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 06:36:35 AM
Knock galley west

Light (or lighting) a shuck

Roostered

Fish
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on September 30, 2004, 08:34:52 AM
Light a shuck,  ta sit a spell, kinda like when I tell someone ta squat and chew.

Plannin' a hog killin' in a couple a weeks, long story but someone got given a cute little piggy, same person has acreage with room for strange pets, piggy grew up and is now a hog and is no longer cute.  Ask Delmonico if he wants hog, Delmonico calls Gopher Grease and asks if he wants half a hog, time ta have a hog killin".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on September 30, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 06:36:35 AM
Knock galley west


Beat the livin' urine out of someone.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on September 30, 2004, 08:34:52 AM
Light a shuck,  ta sit a spell, kinda like when I tell someone ta squat and chew.

Plannin' a hog killin' in a couple a weeks, long story but someone got given a cute little piggy, same person has acreage with room for strange pets, piggy grew up and is now a hog and is no longer cute.  Ask Delmonico if he wants hog, Delmonico calls Gopher Grease and asks if he wants half a hog, time ta have a hog killin".

Del, think you're thinkin' 'bout "Hey, why don't chew sit an' "light" a spell.  Light a shuck, the direct opposite, is ~ to get the hell out of here in a hurry. "I'm lightin' a shuck for California."  That poor defenseless hog you been talkin' 'bout, he gits wind a the upcomin' hog killin', he's gonna light a shuck for parts unknown, an' I wouldn't blame him a bit.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on September 30, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 06:36:35 AM
Knock galley west


Beat the livin' urine out of someone.

Or, as they say in more genteel circles, beat senseless.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 09:15:01 PM
Still need answers to: Roostered and Fish, and here are some new ones.


Fine as cream gravy

Of the first water

Stand the gaff

Get the mitten
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 01, 2004, 10:06:11 AM
Get the mitten is to be dump by someone yer romanticly involved in.

Of the first water is the best, has to do with older ways of gradin' diamonds, those of the first water are the best.

Would fish be like they use in prison fresh fish, wasn't that sometimes used in the army for new recruits.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 01, 2004, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 09:15:01 PM
Still need answers to: Roostered and Fish, and here are some new ones.


Fine as cream gravy

Of the first water

Stand the gaff

Get the mitten


Guess I've got a thing for wildlife

Roostered -  having imbibed heavily
Fish          -  slicker or rain cover
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 01, 2004, 10:34:39 AM
Fine as cream gravy would be pretty good, if things were not good you'd have to use water stead of milk in yer gravy, if not fine as cream gravy would mean supplies were gone (canned milk) or tha cow had went dry.

Stand the gaff would mean you could put up with all the sh,  sh, sh, (I can't do it ;D) poop folks are tryin' to put on ya.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 01, 2004, 10:37:05 AM
Ain't wildlife but.... ::)

Stand the gaff - take a good natured ribbin'
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 01, 2004, 10:47:17 AM
Ok where is the teacher, we want our tests corrected. ;D  We want ta know if'n we's gonna pass this class? :P
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 01, 2004, 10:56:05 AM
I'z not the teacher, but I'z a moderator. Ya all flunked.  :P ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Lt. Col Mark Flint on October 01, 2004, 02:06:03 PM
Flunkees now, are they?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 01, 2004, 02:17:03 PM
Slim I know who ain't gonna get none of the prune kolatch from our Neewbrassky story, he better not ask fer kolatchi. 

Somebody better find Cap. the natives are gettin' restless and one a dem is a moderator. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 01, 2004, 03:19:59 PM
I gots the Friday Fiesties. ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 01, 2004, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 01, 2004, 10:06:11 AM
Get the mitten is to be dump by someone yer romanticly involved in.

Of the first water is the best, has to do with older ways of gradin' diamonds, those of the first water are the best.

Would fish be like they use in prison fresh fish, wasn't that sometimes used in the army for new recruits.

Two outta three ain't bad.

Of the first water ~ first class. "He's a gentleman of the first water."

Get the mitten ~ to be rejected by a lover. "Looks like Blossom gave poor Buck the mitten."

For "Fish", see Russ T's post.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 01, 2004, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 01, 2004, 10:28:13 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 30, 2004, 09:15:01 PM
Still need answers to: Roostered and Fish, and here are some new ones.


Fine as cream gravy

Of the first water

Stand the gaff

Get the mitten


Guess I've got a thing for wildlife

Roostered -  having imbibed heavily
Fish          -  slicker or rain cover

You're still hangin' in there, Russ T, with half of your answer correct.

Roostered ~ drunk. "Looks like those cowboys are in there gettin' all roostered up."

Fish ~ a cowboy's rain slicker, from a rain gear manufacturer whose trademark was a fish logo. "We told him it looked like rain, but left his fish in the wagon anyhow."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 01, 2004, 06:08:07 PM
Del and Russ T share honors on lthis one, but Del's answer was posted first.

Stand the gaff ~ take punishment in good spirit. "He can really stand the gaff."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 03, 2004, 09:57:55 AM
Curly wolf

Difficulty

Doxology works

Soft solder
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 03, 2004, 12:47:41 PM
Here we go for the wildlife again:

Curly wolf  - Tough guy
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 03, 2004, 01:00:56 PM
Doxology works.  God answers prayers.

soft solder is a lead/tin based solder.  Most often 30-50% tin.  Hard solder is silver or bronze/brass/coper based and is stronger and has a higher meltin point.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 03, 2004, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 03, 2004, 12:47:41 PM
Here we go for the wildlife again:

Curly wolf  - Tough guy


Good 'nuff, Russ T.

Curly wolf ~ real tough guy, dangerous man. "Ol' Bill is a regular curly wolf, especially when he's drinkin' whiskey."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 03, 2004, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 03, 2004, 01:00:56 PM
Doxology works.  God answers prayers.

soft solder is a lead/tin based solder.  Most often 30-50% tin.  Hard solder is silver or bronze/brass/coper based and is stronger and has a higher meltin point.

Kinda close on the first one, Del:   Doxology works ~ a church, but while technically correct on the second one, that ain't what we were lookin' for.  Soft solder ~ flattery. "All that soft solder won't get you anywhere."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 03, 2004, 09:47:30 PM
Well ya had me confused on the soft solder one, thought ya misspelled soldier.  So the teccnickkolgigicccall guy in me came out.  I just don't cook ya know.  Got both acid core, rosin core and silver solder upstairs, got brazin' rod and steel rod over ta Dad's with my
oxxeeee-cetaleen outfit. ;D ;D  Hey I even got a couple of old time solderin' coppers upstairs and one has a corncob handle, long with a couple of ma files.  Heck, I even got a hand cranked grinder in the shop.  (They are great for fine work, turn it slow and ya won't burn the metal.  Who says newest is best. ;D)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 04, 2004, 07:47:36 PM
Hobble your lip

Plunder

Take French leave

Shin out


Difficulty    This is a leftover that no one even made an attempt to answer.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Standpat Steve on October 04, 2004, 09:41:02 PM
Take French Leave>

To go AWOL or desert from the military
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 04, 2004, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: Standpat Steve on October 04, 2004, 09:41:02 PM
Take French Leave>

To go AWOL or desert from the military

I'll buy that, Standpat.  Take French leave ~ to desert, sneak off without permission.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 08:20:25 AM
Thought for sure ol' Russ T or Del would take a shot at some of these.

Hobble your lip

Plunder

Shin out

Difficulty   
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 09:10:21 AM
I think Del took French leave.  ;D

Hobble your lip - should be the eqivalent of today's "zip your lip" - be quit, shout your trap, etc.

Plunder - a mistake?

Slim

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:38:49 AM
Shin out is havin ta walk out when yer horse gave out.

I did take French Leave but while I was gone I cooked up a bunch a snails and made fancy gravy ta go on dem. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:41:01 AM
Sorry I had ta go check on me snails. ;D  Plunder is yer gear in yer war bag. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 09:10:21 AM
I think Del took French leave.  ;D

Hobble your lip - should be the eqivalent of today's "zip your lip" - be quit, shout your trap, etc.

Plunder - a mistake?

Slim



Bet old Slim's been on the rerceivin' end of "Hobble your lip" oncest or twicest, 'cause he's correct.  Hobble your lip ~ shut up.

He's made a blunder, however, with his "Plunder" definition. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:38:49 AM
Shin out is havin ta walk out when yer horse gave out.

I did take French Leave but while I was gone I cooked up a bunch a snails and made fancy gravy ta go on dem. ;D ;D ;D

Del's close on Shin out - Shin out ~ run away.


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:41:01 AM
Sorry I had ta go check on me snails. ;D  Plunder is yer gear in yer war bag. 

...but he's right on with Plunder ~ personal belongings. "Pack your plunder, Joe, we're headin' for San Francisco."

Still lookin' for Difficulty.


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 09:10:21 AM
I think Del took French leave.  ;D

Hobble your lip - should be the eqivalent of today's "zip your lip" - be quit, shout your trap, etc.

Plunder - a mistake?

Slim



Bet old Slim's been on the rerceivin' end of "Hobble your lip" oncest or twicest, 'cause he's correct.  Hobble your lip ~ shut up.

He's made a blunder, however, with his "Plunder" definition. ;D
:-[

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 05, 2004, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:41:01 AM
Sorry I had ta go check on me snails. ;D  Plunder is yer gear in yer war bag. 

...but he's right on with Plunder ~ personal belongings. "Pack your plunder, Joe, we're headin' for San Francisco."

Still lookin' for Difficulty.




Didn't see any wildlife:

Difficulty -- Trouble

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:11:27 AM
would difficulty be just simply be a fight, squabble or even a argument.

Example: "Slim and Capt. Cox had a difficulty over who had ta eat the last snail and garlic gravy.  Slim lost and had ta eat it." :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 11:14:25 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:11:27 AM
would difficulty be just simply be a fight, squabble or even a argument.

Example: "Slim and Capt. Cox had a difficulty over who had ta eat the last snail and garlic gravy.  Slim lost and had ta eat it." :o ;D ;D
That's fer ser.  ::)

Slim(what's don't like eat'n slimey things)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Marshal Will Wingam on October 05, 2004, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 10:40:36 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on September 29, 2004, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on September 29, 2004, 09:22:30 AM
Quirley  Cigarette?

Slim

Well looky here, ol' Slim went an' done it again.

Quirley ~ roll-your-own cigarette.
It's in a Marty Robbins song.

Slim

My Dictionary of American Slang confirms this, too. It specifically mentions it was "cowboy use".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 05, 2004, 11:20:11 AM
Okay, let's stick with the wildlife, what does this refer to:


Blacksnake
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Marshal Will Wingam on October 05, 2004, 11:23:42 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 05, 2004, 11:20:11 AM
Okay, let's stick with the wildlife, what does this refer to:


Blacksnake

Blacksnake: a train made up of exclusively coal-carrying cars.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:25:33 AM
A blacksnake is a whip, cause they're quick like a blacksnake.  And can look a bit like one.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Marshal Will Wingam on October 05, 2004, 11:27:33 AM
Looks like my dictionary failed me that time.

How about Blackbirder?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:30:58 AM
Round these parts a blacksnake is a common namer fer a black racer.  they get up ta 7-8 feet in lenth, are non-poisinous, are a constrictor whick means the will wrap round yer leg if'n ya step on one.  They like ta bite, they have a bad temper, they like ta hang around farm buildings and their real wussys when ya give em a load a #9 shot.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:30:58 AM
Round these parts a blacksnake is a common namer fer a black racer.  they get up ta 7-8 feet in lenth, are non-poisinous, are a constrictor whick means the will wrap round yer leg if'n ya step on one.  They like ta bite, they have a bad temper, they like ta hang around farm buildings and their real wussys when ya give em a load a #9 shot.
They are good medicine for mice.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 11:46:11 AM
Try tellin' that to my Dad, he had one hangin' in the shed with the log chains, well he don't see real good and it was a bit dark and he got attacked and bit by one when he was a kid.  Same snake took over a camper one time and finally the outhouse.  In the battle that followed I only had my 32 mag pistol and he got me trapped with my back to the outhouse and no where to go and all 7' 9'' of him was coiled ready to strike cause he didn't like being chased by a cosinero and a 1 legged Indian.  (He had trapped the 1 legged Indian's wife in said small building)

We'll the Late Elmer Keith always said that when trapped by a coiled snake ready ta strike, just point the pistol at his head and fire and he will line it up fer ya.  We'll he musta been right cause I ain't that good a point shooter, cause I took his head clean off and 7" 9" was without the head.

Would felt better with my 870 28 gauge with the skeet barrel and a skeet load.  Hey snake skeet.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 05, 2004, 12:31:38 PM
Needless to say Delmonico has it right as a whip. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 01:08:45 PM
My turn:

soogun

twister (ain't no tur'nader)

4 in hand

wasp nest bread (wild life fer Russ T)

Celestial

firkin

Kansas City Trout (more wildlife)

prairie coal

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 01:08:45 PM
prairie coal
buffalo chips

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 05, 2004, 11:10:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 10:48:49 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 10:41:01 AM
Sorry I had ta go check on me snails. ;D  Plunder is yer gear in yer war bag. 

...but he's right on with Plunder ~ personal belongings. "Pack your plunder, Joe, we're headin' for San Francisco."

Still lookin' for Difficulty.




Didn't see any wildlife:

Difficulty -- Trouble



Once again Russ T was first outta the gate.  Difficulty ~ euphamism for trouble, often the shootin' or otherwise violent kind. "He had to leave Texas on account of a difficulty with a gambler in San Antonio."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 01:23:32 PM
Slim yer right but "I" would have said, "dried buffalo poop used in place of wood fer fuel fer the fire."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 05, 2004, 01:34:34 PM
4 in hand

A team of four horses, or a necktie?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 01:42:29 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 01:23:32 PM
Slim yer right but "I" would have said, "dried buffalo poop used in place of wood fer fuel fer the fire."
You sure like to type poop alot.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 02:07:36 PM
Capt. Cox:  Words with double meanin's yer good, figger someone would get on or tuther but not both.

Slim: My Mama wouldn't let me say poop when I was little.  Besides that didn't I send ya an E-Mail bout the lady in the medical labratory and the Cowboy fellar that paid her a visit. :o ::) :P :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 05, 2004, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 02:07:36 PM
Capt. Cox:  Words with double meanin's yer good, figger someone would get on or tuther but not both.

Slim: My Mama wouldn't let me say poop when I was little.  Besides that didn't I send ya an E-Mail bout the lady in the medical labratory and the Cowboy fellar that paid her a visit. :o ::) :P :P ;D ;D
Ya sure did sent it to me.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 11:04:30 AM
Ya'll didn't ferget bout these did ya. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 06, 2004, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 05, 2004, 01:08:45 PM
My turn:

soogun

twister (ain't no tur'nader)

4 in hand

wasp nest bread (wild life fer Russ T)

Celestial

firkin

Kansas City Trout (more wildlife)

prairie coal


Soogun - Towel in Korean  ;D
Celestial - heavenly, angelic
firkin - wooden barrel

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 06, 2004, 11:30:42 AM
wasp nest bread (wild life fer Russ T)
   A dry light bread popular down south?   Haven't the foggiest what went into it, but I be Del does.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 12:11:01 PM
Slim:  Soogun:  might be a towel in Korea, but we ain't in Korea.  Might make some Kim Chee sometime, but I learned that from a Celestial who had spent time in Chosin, could make a firkin of it though.

Soogun is a cowboys bedroll, his house so to speak.

Celestial is someone from China cause it was called the Celestial Kingdom.

Firkin is a small wooden barrel of used ta ship butter in and often used by cosinero's for sourdough.
A true firkin is also a measure 1/4 barrel or 7 5/8 gallon, but any small barrel is often called a firkin.

Course Chosin is the old name for Korea.


Russ T. Ya might have me on this one, I know wasp nest bread as a cowboy term for white bread raised with good store bought yeast, light and full of air like a wasp nest.  Sourdough bread made with out addin' yeast (the yuppie way, sourdough in name only) is a heavier product and so more fillin'.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 06, 2004, 01:25:30 PM
Might a twister be a batch of dried tobacco twisted or braided for easy transport?  Or possibly one of those nice lookin' little cheroot's so loved by the Man wit No Name?  Just guessin' on this one, as it ain't widlife.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 02:09:29 PM
Tha chaw is twist not twister, hint it kinda has ta do with wildlife.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 02:46:03 PM
Gospel sharp

Put a spoke in the wheel

Grass widow

Game
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 06, 2004, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 02:09:29 PM
Tha chaw is twist not twister, hint it kinda has ta do with wildlife.

Would we be talkin' wildlife of the reptilian variety?  Possibly another name for a sidewinder?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 02:53:27 PM
The "twitch", sometimes confused with the "ghost cord", was entirely different.  It was a small loop of cord with a stick through it and was used to punish a leld horsse by placing the loop aroung the horse's upper lip and twisting the stick.  It was frequently called a "twister".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 06, 2004, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 02:46:03 PM
Gospel sharp

Put a spoke in the wheel

Grass widow

Game


Gospel sharp      Good as gold, true?

Grass widow      a woman whose husband just disappeared on her?

Game         ready for what's comin'?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 02:56:36 PM
Russ T.  Nope!

A Grass Widow is not really a widow, but has been put out ta pasture while her husband is away workin' fer a long period of time.  Come from the Alps region of Europe, herders took the sheep and goats up to the high medows to find good grass in summer.  Savin' the lower grass for hayin' for the winter.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:00:04 PM
Dern it's hard ta post here with all the mouse clickin' goin' on.

so close Capt. and another double meanin'  the twister could use a twister ta get them wild horse's ready fer the cattle drive. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 06, 2004, 03:00:50 PM
Put a spoke in the wheel - to put a stick between the spokes of a wheel thereby stopping wheel from turning

Grass widow - sodbusters wife?

Game - ready and willing to do something. I am game.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:00:04 PM
Dern it's hard ta post here with all the mouse clickin' goin' on.

so close Capt. and another double meanin'  the twister could use a twister ta get them wild horse's ready fer the cattle drive. 

Must also mean "bronc buster"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 02:56:36 PM
Russ T.  Nope!

A Grass Widow is not really a widow, but has been put out ta pasture while her husband is away workin' fer a long period of time.  Come from the Alps region of Europe, herders took the sheep and goats up to the high medows to find good grass in summer.  Savin' the lower grass for hayin' for the winter.

My original "grass widow" post was based on the definition being "a divorcee".  Check out this site http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gra1.htm and you tell me what grass widow means.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:18:53 PM
I can only type so fast with one finger, and can't keep up with the flurry of responses that have just come in, so here are the answers that I had for the last four words/phrases that I posted:

Gospel sharp ~ a preacher. (Apparent opposite of a card sharp!)

Put a spoke in the wheel ~ to foul up or sabotage something.

Grass widow ~ divorcee

Game ~ to have courage, guts, gumption. "He's game as a banty rooster." Or, "That's a hard way to go, but he died game."


Congratulations to all you rapid typers who got the right answers.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 06, 2004, 03:24:06 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you.  ::)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:00:04 PM
Dern it's hard ta post here with all the mouse clickin' goin' on.

so close Capt. and another double meanin'  the twister could use a twister ta get them wild horse's ready fer the cattle drive. 

Del,  You really know how to hurt a feller.  Here I went and dug out my dogeared copy of Ramon F. Adams' book Cowboy Lingo, A Dictionary of the Slack-Jaw Words and Whangdoodle Ways of the American West, and came up with a response to your "Twister" post THE OLD FASHION WAY, and here you go and 'cuse me of "mouse clickin' or some sech low-down soundin' thing.  How can I face the resta the pards after gettin' dressed down like that?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:39:20 PM
Must be the day for woords a many meanings, yep a bronc twister.

Since the day Mr. Google lead my a tray and caused me ta wash my own eyes out with soap, I don't trust the booger or was that bugger. ;D

So I looked grass widow up in the paper google (dictionary) not only we both right it can also mean a Mistress that's been tossed aside or an unmarried woman who has had an illegitmate child.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:41:56 PM
Just 'cuse me a doin' da same thin', must be the day fer tryin' ta click at da same time. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:41:56 PM
Just 'cuse me a doin' da same thin', must be the day fer tryin' ta click at da same time. ;D

Yep,

They usta tell me that idle hands was the devil's workshop, and now I'm 'bout convinced that Google be the devil.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 03:57:36 PM
So what does that make Slim. ;D ;D 

A sometimes useful tool, but must look at by line or what ever dumb name they call it fer website stuff that comes up on google.

All I know is in my inocencne in learnin these things I didn't know that  I always though rye bread was sumthin' yea eat made outa rye flour.  Silly cosinero. :o :o :o :o and even :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 06, 2004, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 03:49:51 PM
... Google be the devil.
Say it ain't so!  :'(

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 04:19:20 PM
Just ordered a new Dell 'puter so I kin log on to Google faster.  That dang Slim always been beatin' me there and gettin' all the good stuff first, but not any more.  ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 04:25:37 PM
I ain't googled none of this stuff.  Once in a while go upstairs to MY OFFICE and get a book.  But if this wasn't in wifes craft room I'd never get the laundry done. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on October 06, 2004, 08:03:38 PM
Cap'n........Dude you're gettin' a Dell!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o..........Buck(  What's got an E-Machine! ;D)........ 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 06, 2004, 08:39:44 PM
California widow  (Del, this is what you were thinkin' of earlier)

Eucher, euchered

See the elephant

Powerful
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on October 06, 2004, 09:28:39 PM
See the elephant, I belive this was a term that came to be around the Gold Rush/ Civil War era. Means to see or experience something ie: Battle in the War or work in the gold fields. or an experience out of the ordinary. Euchered, in the card game to be euchered is to be set or lose. so, having a plan defeated or an event go wrong or come out differently. I think California Widow would be a woman whose husband went to the Gold Rush leaving her behind.........Buck 8) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 06, 2004, 10:24:08 PM
Seein' the elaphant means ya gave up on the trail and went back.  Folks who wrote "Pike's Peak or Bust" on the way out, saw the elaphant and wrote "Busted by Gosh" on the way back in. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 07:22:33 AM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on October 06, 2004, 09:28:39 PM
See the elephant, I belive this was a term that came to be around the Gold Rush/ Civil War era. Means to see or experience something ie: Battle in the War or work in the gold fields. or an experience out of the ordinary. Euchered, in the card game to be euchered is to be set or lose. so, having a plan defeated or an event go wrong or come out differently. I think California Widow would be a woman whose husband went to the Gold Rush leaving her behind.........Buck 8) ::) ::)

Here's what I had on those three.

California widow ~ woman separated from her husband, but not divorced. (From when pioneer men went West, leaving their wives to follow later.)  This is what Del must have been thinking of on the "Grass Widow" from yesterday.

Eucher, euchered ~ to out-smart someone, to be outwitted or suckered into something.

See the elephant ~ originally meant to see combat for the first time, later came to mean going to town, where all the action was.


No takers on "Powerful"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 08:44:24 AM
Balled up

Get it in the neck

Come a cropper

Heeled


Powerful (no one has even guessed at this one)

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 09:29:46 AM
Balled up - in need of Ex-lax

Heeled - packin' iron

Slim

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 07, 2004, 11:28:26 AM
Castor Oil is period correct Slim! ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 09:29:46 AM
Balled up - in need of Ex-lax

Heeled - packin' iron

Slim



Well now Slim, old buddy old pal, gotta give ya credit for yore answer for "Heeled".  Heeled ~ to be armed with a gun. "He wanted to fight me, but I told him I was not heeled."

Howsomever, if ya really think "Balled up" means what you say it does, then I gotta tell ya, you be all balled up yore own self. ::)  Jest sos ya realize it, what I jest toldya is a hint. ;D

These pore ol' sayin's below are startin' ta feel dejected an' rejected, like no body cares 'bout 'em.

Get it in the neck

Come a cropper

Powerful

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 07, 2004, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 09:29:46 AM
Balled up - in need of Ex-lax

Heeled - packin' iron

Slim



Well now Slim, old buddy old pal, gotta give ya credit for yore answer for "Heeled".  Heeled ~ to be armed with a gun. "He wanted to fight me, but I told him I was not heeled."

Howsomever, if ya really think "Balled up" means what you say it does, then I gotta tell ya, you be all balled up yore own self. ::)  Jest sos ya realize it, what I jest toldya is a hint. ;D

These pore ol' sayin's below are startin' ta feel dejected an' rejected, like no body cares 'bout 'em.

Get it in the neck

Come a cropper

Powerful



Okay we'll give it a try:

Come a cropper  --  fail at an endevor  tried something and it didn't work
Powerful            --  extreme
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 12:14:28 PM
Balled up - cornfused?

:-[ bound up is what I was referring to.  :-[

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 07, 2004, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 09:29:46 AM
Balled up - in need of Ex-lax

Heeled - packin' iron

Slim



Well now Slim, old buddy old pal, gotta give ya credit for yore answer for "Heeled".  Heeled ~ to be armed with a gun. "He wanted to fight me, but I told him I was not heeled."

Howsomever, if ya really think "Balled up" means what you say it does, then I gotta tell ya, you be all balled up yore own self. ::)  Jest sos ya realize it, what I jest toldya is a hint. ;D

These pore ol' sayin's below are startin' ta feel dejected an' rejected, like no body cares 'bout 'em.

Get it in the neck

Come a cropper

Powerful



Okay we'll give it a try:

Come a cropper  --  fail at an endevor  tried something and it didn't work
Powerful            --  extreme

A hunnert percent, Russ T. 

Come a cropper ~ come to ruin, fail, or fall heavily. "He had big plans to get rich, but it all come a cropper, when the railroad didn't come through."

Powerful ~ very. "He's a powerful rich man."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 12:14:28 PM
Balled up - cornfused?

:-[ bound up is what I was referring to.  :-[

Slim

Was tryin' to respond to yore last post and ya went and changed it on me.  Now ya finally got it right. 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 07, 2004, 12:14:28 PM
Balled up - cornfused?

:-[ bound up is what I was referring to.  :-[

Slim

Was tryin' to respond to yore last post and ya went and changed it on me.  Now ya finally got it right. 8)
I'z tricky that way. Keeps ya on yer toes. ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 07, 2004, 08:42:29 PM
Mudsill

Someone to ride the river with

The Old States

Odd stick


And somebody please put Get it in the neck out of it's misery.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 07, 2004, 09:48:56 PM
Someone ta ride the river with-someone ya can trust

the old states-back east

get it in the neck-some thing really bad like gettin it in the neck

odd stick- a single person

mud sill- some thing that won't last.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 08, 2004, 08:27:43 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 07, 2004, 09:48:56 PM
Someone ta ride the river with-someone ya can trust

the old states-back east

get it in the neck-some thing really bad like gettin it in the neck

odd stick- a single person

mud sill- some thing that won't last.

Well, Del, ya got two correct ;D, but not the other three :'( (see below).

Someone to ride the river with ~ a person to be counted on; reliable; got it where it counts.
The Old States ~ back East.


Mudsill ~ low-life, thoroughly disreputable person.
Odd stick ~ eccentric person. "Ol' Farmer Jones sure is an odd stick."
Get it in the neck ~ get cheated, misled, bamboozled.

What I'm still tryin' to figger out is if Slim is a Mudsill or an Odd Stick, cuz ever time I have dealins with him I think I get it in the neck ;).
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 08, 2004, 08:48:46 AM
Capt. Ya got ta figger out Kansas City Trout before ya get's yer breakfast.  Course it could be Cinncinati Trout instead. ;D  Sumthin' sounds fishy ta me here. ::) 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 08, 2004, 10:33:59 AM
Gotta couple here, only one of which is widlife (sortta):

Bone Orchard

Reno Chowder (Del this is a local thing, and I'd be surprised if you have the recipe)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 08, 2004, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 08, 2004, 10:33:59 AM
Gotta couple here, only one of which is widlife (sortta):

Bone Orchard

Reno Chowder (Del this is a local thing, and I'd be surprised if you have the recipe)


Bone Orchard is a cemetery.  Don't know 'bout the Chowder.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 08, 2004, 11:18:55 AM
Somethin' in tha back a my mind says it ain't nothin' but jackrabbit in potato soup, not sure, but somethin' in some damaged brain cells wants ta come out.  Don't know what else out there would make chowder. ;D

Does any one want Hen Fruit with yer Kansas City Trout? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 08, 2004, 11:35:05 AM
Capt. Has the Bone Orchard right.

As the Reno Chowder is rather local I'll give it up.

When Reno decided to provide running water to some of it's citizens, they ran a canal off the Truckee river into a reservoir.  This had a screened intake to the new water system.  As the screen rotted, fish managed to get into the system.  When the pipes got smaller and smaller to keep up the pressure, they got stuck and died.  People were blessed with fish parts coming out of their nifty indoor plumbing.  Reno Chowder.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 08, 2004, 11:48:50 AM
Sorry not just a local thing, the Romans and many Asian cultures enjoy a sauce made by pilin' fish and salt in a container settin' it in the sun and bottlin' the run off.  The word we refer to as either ketchup or catsup is from a Malaysian word meanin "picked fish sauce" this does not mean the sauce was from pickled fish. :P

One might be sure ta read the bottle ta make sure it says "Tomato Ketchup." ;D 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 08, 2004, 06:21:18 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 08, 2004, 11:18:55 AM
Does any one want Hen Fruit with yer Kansas City Trout? ;D

Can't get much outa your hints but bacon.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 08, 2004, 07:22:54 PM
Bout time, bacon it is.  By the 1870's KC was where most of the bacon and salt pork used in the West was made.  Up until then Cincinati was know as porkopolis, most of the cured pork used in that war between 1861-1865 was made in Cincinati.  Chicago didn't really get goin' good on pork thill the late 1880's ta early 1890's, they were more know for beef up until then.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 06:07:13 AM
A lick and a promise

Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger

Sound on the goose

Ride shank's mare
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 09, 2004, 09:01:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 06:07:13 AM
A lick and a promise

Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger

Sound on the goose

Ride shank's mare


Hey more wildlife ;D ;D ;D

Sound on the goose --  dependable

Ride shank's mare     --  walk
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 09:57:59 AM
Lick and a promise- didn't put much effort inta the job or even stated the job and didn't finishit.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 12:25:27 PM
Looks like Russ T and Del got three of 'em down.

A lick and a promise  ~ to do haphazardly. "She just gave it a lick and a promise."

Sound on the goose ~ true, staunch, reliable.

Ride shank's mare ~ to walk or be set afoot.


Some body needs to take a shot at this one.
Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 09, 2004, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 12:25:27 PM

Some body needs to take a shot at this one.
Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger

Tain't wildlife, but we'll give 'er a shot.
irritate the wrong hombre?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 09, 2004, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 12:25:27 PM

Some body needs to take a shot at this one.
Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger

Tain't wildlife, but we'll give 'er a shot.
irritate the wrong hombre?

"Bout as close as you can get.

Wake up/Woke up the wrong passenger ~ to trouble or anger the wrong person.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 01:01:07 PM
"kyacks," "cross-bucks," and "aperejos"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 01:57:09 PM
aperejos-freight packs fer a mule, like Crook used.

The other two are also a type of pack saddle I believe.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 09, 2004, 02:51:43 PM
cross-bucks

Is this wildlife?

The only thing I can think of is a saw.  Not two or more irritated male deer.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 04:53:29 PM
No wildlife here.  Del got 'em right (again). ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 05:21:43 PM
Mule skinners sometimes show up in my cook camp.  :o ::) ;D 

For real seriously I know several. :)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 05:24:39 PM
My turn: 

bite

DuPont

ripper

needle gun

stand

stinker
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 08:33:53 PM
needle gun - what they called the first version of the Trapdoor Springfield, which was in .50-70 caliber.

stand - could be any number of things, but most likely it is what the buff hunters did when they "took a stand".  They would stalk within range of a group of buffalo and set up with crossed sticks, etc., shoot the most likely leader of the group, and then shoot as many of the others as they could before the buffs stampeded or the hunters ran out of ammo.

DuPont - black powder?


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 09:24:54 PM
Yup, yer pretty good there.

The called it a needle gun cause it had such a long firin' pin. 

stand it good, ya guessed buff hunters is the theme here.

DuPont kinda becane a generic name fer gunpowder, it was all blackpowder and they didn't call it blackpowder til poudre blanc (french term) came out in the 1880's.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 09, 2004, 09:44:56 PM
stinker - what the buff hunters called new guys on the range who were hired to do the skinning.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 09, 2004, 10:05:34 PM
never heard that before, but it could be true?  The poem/song "Range of the Buffalo mentions skinning an ol stinker.  Have seen that term elswhere a time or two.  Since the bulls were worth more per hide in the Souther Hunt and durin' the rut the bull liked ta urinate (don't tell Slim I didn't say pee. ;D) in a wallow and roll in it, I would bet they would be a stinker.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 10, 2004, 06:33:03 AM
My "stinker" source is Cowboy Lingo, by Ramon F. Adams.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 10, 2004, 09:52:12 AM
Ya know which poem/song I mean don't ya?  I got the words around here.  R.W. Hampton sings it on a CD thats on the player at work, a local fella sometimes sings it around here.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 10, 2004, 04:45:39 PM
Might this be the one you are thinkin' of?  Now here's a question for you.  If the wallow is dry, how's a poor old bull gonna find mud to roll in 'less he pees in the dry dirt?  Guess he just might smell la bit strong after a while.  Got a billy goat that likes to pee on hisself and he gets pretty rank pretty quick. 

The Buffalo Skinners

'Twas in the town of Jacksboro, in the spring of seventy-three
A man by the name of Crego came stepping up to me,
Saying "How do you do, young fellow, and how would you like to go
And spend one summer pleasantly on the range of the buffalo?"

It's me being out of employment, this to Crego I did say,
"This going out on the buffalo range depends upon the pay.
But if you will pay good wages, and transportation to and fro
I think, Sir, I will go with you to the range of the buffalo."

"Yes I will pay good wages, give transportation too
Provided you will go with me and stay the summer through;
But if you should grow homesick, come back to Jacksboro
I won't pay transportation from the range of the buffalo."

It's now our outfit was complete, seven able-bodied men,
With navy six and needle gun, our troubles did begin;
Our way it was a pleasant one, the route we had to go
Until we crossed Pease River, on the range of the buffalo.

It's now we've crossed Pease River, our troubles have begun,
The first damned tail I went to rip, Christ! how I cut my thumb!
While skinning the damned old stinkers, our lives they had no show
For the Indians watched to pick us off while skinning the buffalo.

He fed us on such sorry chuck, I wished myself most dead
It was old jerked beef, croton coffee and sour bread.
Pease River's as salty as hell fire, the water I never could go
O God! I wished I had never come to the the range of the buffalo.

Our meat it was buffalo hump and iron wedge bread
And all we had to sleep on was a buffalo robe for a bed.
The fleas and gray-backs worked on us, O boys, it was not slow
I tell you there's no worse hell on earth than the the range of the buffalo.

Our hearts were cased with buffalo hocks, our souls were cased with steel,
And the hardships of that summer would nearly make us reel;
While skinning the damned old stinkers, our lives they had no show
For the Indians watched to pick us off on the hills of Mexico.

The season being near over,  old Crego he did say
The crowd had been extravagant, was in debt to him that day;
We coaxed him and we begged him, and still it was no go,
So we left old Crego's bones to bleach on the range of the buffalo.

Oh, it's now we've crossed Pease River, and homeward we are bound,
No more in that hell-fired country shall ever we be found.
Go home to our wives and sweethearts, tell others not to go
For God's forsaken the buffalo range, and the damned old buffalo.

From Lomax, Cowboy Songs
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 10, 2004, 04:54:50 PM
ripper = skinning knife?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 10, 2004, 05:02:31 PM
Goner

Gone up the flume

Here's how!

Shove the queer
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 10, 2004, 05:56:52 PM
That's it, although 73 is a bit early to be in Jacksboro, 73 they were still workin' and sellin' round Dodge City. 

The ripper is a straighter bladen knife used ta split the skin on the belly and legs.  The curved bladed skinner is used ta seperate the hide from the beast.  A skinner/hunter carried a sheath or three sheaths on the side. The steel is in back, the curved bladed skinner is next and the ripper first, edge forward.  That way when in the saloon of some soldier or cowboy makes a crack bout the smell, ya pull it and Rip his belly. 

By the way the skinner ussually made 25 cents a hide and did 25-50 a day.  Do the math, better than 20 dollars a month fer an 1870's cowboy or $13 dollars a month fer a Privite or $21 fer a Seargent.

A goner is bout dead

gone up the flume is wasted
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 06:55:30 AM
Pretty good, Del.

Goner ~ lost, dead.

Gone up the flume ~ same as goner!


Don't ferget these.

Here's how!

Shove the queer
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 10:48:51 AM
I'm still thinkin'  bout those.

Yoa ain't got bite yet, very important if ya go huntin' the Southern Herd, might wish ya had it fer a couple a days. :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 11, 2004, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 08, 2004, 08:27:43 AM

Mudsill ~ low-life, thoroughly disreputable person.
Odd stick ~ eccentric person. "Ol' Farmer Jones sure is an odd stick."
Get it in the neck ~ get cheated, misled, bamboozled.

What I'm still tryin' to figger out is if Slim is a Mudsill or an Odd Stick, cuz ever time I have dealins with him I think I get it in the neck ;).
I am more of an odd stick (also odd duck) than a mudsill.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 11, 2004, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 06:55:30 AM

Shove the queer
pass funny money

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on October 11, 2004, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 06:55:30 AM

Shove the queer
pass funny money

Slim

Nuthin' funny 'bout that answer. 

Shove the queer ~ to pass counterfeit money.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 11, 2004, 01:03:40 PM
Here's how!  - Like "over the lips, between the gums, look out stomach, here it comes"?  A toast.  ( not the bread kind)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 10:48:51 AM
I'm still thinkin'  bout those.

Yoa ain't got bite yet, very important if ya go huntin' the Southern Herd, might wish ya had it fer a couple a days. :o

"And then McRae explained the poison vial or tube, which he invented and which became common with runners on all ranges. One day he came upon the body of a teamster, who had been stripped, scalped while alive, his privates cut off and stuck into his mouth and fastened there with a sinew cord. Fat pine splinters had been stuck into his flesh from ankles to chin until he resembled a hedgehog. These were ignited at his feet, causing an upward slow flame which literally roasted him alive. His body had been fastened to a dead tree trunk with his own chains.

"No Indian will scalp a dead man," McRae explained. "And wouldn't you rather have a quick painless death from poison than a tortured lingering death like that teamster? Always carry this," handing me a device made by sticking a .40 caliber shell inside a .45 caliber. I took them apart. Inside the .40 caliber shell was a very thin glass tube, like a test tube, filled with a whitish powder.

"Hydrocyanic acid," McRae explained. "If Indians seem fit to capture you, bite hard on the tube. It's sure medicine against scalping and torture."

Thereafter I carried my tube religiously. I never had to "bite the white," as we used to put it, but I know of two instances of runners who did. Their bodies had not been mutilated or even scalped after death.

                                                      from Frank Mayer's The Buffalo Harvest


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 01:35:15 PM
Never leave home with out it, I got's a 45-70 case on a thong round ma neck when ever I leave home and it's got white powder in it.   ;D ;D

I used mine a time er twoo.  But's I carry Benadryl in mine, good fer "lergic's. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 11, 2004, 01:03:40 PM
Here's how!  - Like "over the lips, between the gums, look out stomach, here it comes"?  A toast.  ( not the bread kind)

Reckon it could be toasted "Rye" bread?

Russ T can chalk up another win. :) 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 07:19:56 PM
Beat the devil around the stump

Dicker

Offish

To beat the Dutch
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 07:42:18 PM
beat the dutch is run

dicker is barterin'
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 07:42:18 PM
beat the dutch is run

dicker is barterin'

One outta two beats none outta two.

Dicker ~ barter, trade.

Need to relook "To beat the Dutch".

Also need to give Beat the devil around the stump and Offish a shot.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Wrangler Rich on October 11, 2004, 08:13:59 PM
 ;D  I've enjoyed these posts more than you fellas can imagine.  Thanks,
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 09:12:37 PM
Offish might be snobish.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Frenchie on October 11, 2004, 10:21:09 PM
From "Dr. Fogey's Lexicon of Civil War-Period Words & Expressions"

about right

above his bent

biddable

big bug

carry guts to a bear

cipher
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 12, 2004, 07:10:06 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 11, 2004, 09:12:37 PM
Offish might be snobish.

Offish ~ distant, reserved, aloof.

You've still got it (or at least a little bit of it) Del.  Guess "old Timer's hasn't creeped up on lyou yet.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 12, 2004, 09:21:31 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 11, 2004, 07:49:13 PM
Beat the devil around the stump
not taking responsibility for your actions

Slim

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 12, 2004, 09:41:10 AM
cipher in CW lingo would be code, in cowboy it's doin' math.

Big Bug in cowboy lingo is a lobster, they were startin' ta be shipped in on reefer cars, fer a price,
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on October 12, 2004, 10:28:09 AM
You guys are sure passing me up! I bow to the more educated/experienced among you.......Buck 8) :o ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on October 12, 2004, 10:30:11 AM
We'z not more edgamacated. We'z just know where to find the answers.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 12, 2004, 11:24:30 AM
Slim, I answer 90% out of my head, the others I know which book ta look in.  Remember I skeered of Mr. Google, he lead me astray one day.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 12, 2004, 11:53:05 AM

Yea!  More wildlife ;D ::) ;D


carry guts to a bear  --  do something totally dumb or worthless.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Frenchie on October 12, 2004, 07:35:32 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 12, 2004, 09:41:10 AM
cipher in CW lingo would be code, in cowboy it's doin' math.

Nope, it meant the same thing, "ciphering" was arithmetic. "Cypher" for coded messages is a later term.

QuoteBig Bug in cowboy lingo is a lobster, they were startin' ta be shipped in on reefer cars, fer a price,

During the War of the Rebellion, "big bug" meant an officer of higher rank than your company or regimental commanders. Only the soldiers from the coast (especially the New Englanders) had ever seen a whole lobster, but many had the chance to get canned lobster from the sutlers. It was one of the many delicacies looted from the supply trains at Manassas when "Old Blue Light" and his Stonewall Brigade came through in '62.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Frenchie on October 12, 2004, 07:38:03 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 12, 2004, 11:53:05 AM

Yea!  More wildlife ;D ::) ;D


carry guts to a bear  --  do something totally dumb or worthless.

Correct! Same meaning as "carrying coal to Newcastle". You didn't have to carry guts from slaughtered pigs and cows to a bear, he'd smell it and come looking :-)

Now how about the first three?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 12, 2004, 10:21:12 PM
When the lights go on in Wrigley field they will be carryin' coals ta Newcastle.  One of radio's greats, Paul Harvey mentioned that the last coal mine had been shut down in Newcastle, so they are now carryin' coals ta Newcastle.  Next thing ya know gasoline will be cheaper than water,  Woops it is at my local fuel supplier.   ;D

Wow a Civil War ren-actor that don't belive in just salt pork (always wrong when they do it, chect out post a ways down in this fourm on it.) hardtack and beans. 

I don't know if ya know but I sometimes sell my services as a ceevillian cook fer a Newbrasskey Milita outfit.  After rations are issued, a private is sent ta the sutler, for period items not issued, this comes outa company funds.  Was on a Sutler run once with a private and we almost conscriped a chicken. ;D  Was a beutiful Rhode Island Red Rooster in someone's front yard, bet I coulda done somthin' with him.   ;D  We decided though, the ceevilians might complain ta the local town marshall and they would send the person in charge of law enforcement at that park after us.  Since that would be the local game warden I decided ta pass since I am on friendly terms with the fella.  But it would have been historically correct ta steal the chicken. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 01:06:16 PM
Between hay and grass

Let slide/ let drive/ let fly

Hot as a w---rehouse on nickel night

Twig
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on October 19, 2004, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 01:06:16 PM
Between hay and grass

Let slide/ let drive/ let fly

Hot as a w---rehouse on nickel night

Twig


Let slide/ let drive/ let fly  --  Get on with it
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 19, 2004, 03:47:34 PM
tween hay and grass-ain't finished yet

hotter than a - rather busy


twig- to look at
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on October 19, 2004, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 01:06:16 PM
Between hay and grass

Let slide/ let drive/ let fly

Hot as a w---rehouse on nickel night

Twig


Let slide/ let drive/ let fly  --  Get on with it


Let slide/ let drive/ let fly ~ go ahead, let go. "If you think you want trouble, then let fly."

'Pears Russ T got hisself a nuther one.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 19, 2004, 03:47:34 PM
tween hay and grass-ain't finished yet

hotter than a - rather busy


twig- to look at

Guess ol' Del gets credit for these two.

Between hay and grass ~ neither man nor boy, half-grown.

Twig ~ understand.,

but here's what i have for Hot as a w--rehouse on nickel night ~ damned hot.



Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 19, 2004, 07:52:57 PM
Make a mash

Stand the gaff

Knocked into a cocked hat

Fandango
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on October 19, 2004, 10:26:47 PM
fandango-lively Mexican dance with casenets, but also means any kind of a dance

knocked into a cock hat- knocked silly

stand the gaff- put up with life's poop ;D (don't tell Slim)

make a mash- knock the poop outa someone (Slim ain't here)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on October 19, 2004, 11:09:42 PM
Now Del, the POOPS gettin' deep in here!!!! :o :o.................Buck 8) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Harve Curry on October 20, 2004, 07:51:29 AM
sheep dip ( like BS)
old blister (usually an older nosey pain in the neck woman)
nester   (settler, farmer, someone buildin a place on what was range)
gunsel   ( idiot)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on October 20, 2004, 06:51:30 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on October 19, 2004, 10:26:47 PM
fandango-lively Mexican dance with casenets, but also means any kind of a dance

knocked into a cock hat- knocked silly

stand the gaff- put up with life's poop ;D (don't tell Slim)

make a mash- knock the poop outa someone (Slim ain't here)

Del did pretty good with all 'cept Make a mash ~ make a hit, impress someone. (Usually a female.) "Del's tryin' to make a mash on that new girl."

Stand the gaff ~ take punishment in good spirit. "He can really stand the gaff."

Knocked into a cocked hat ~ fouled up, rendered useless.

Fandango ~ from the Spanish, a big party with lots of dancing and excitement.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 02, 2004, 04:37:47 PM
Shave tail

Coffee boiler
                   
Shindy

Lead plum

No beans in the wheel



Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 02, 2004, 05:09:01 PM
Shavetail is a 2nd Loootent

Coffee Boiler is a coffee pot with out them durned peculator parts.

No beans in the wheel be an empiiity reeeevolvor.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on November 02, 2004, 05:12:52 PM
Well, finally some action here. I was beginnin' to think you guys quit :oI enjoy these types of threads.............Buck 8) ::) :o ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 03, 2004, 09:40:52 AM
Shindy --------- a ruckus

Lead plum ---- honest 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 03, 2004, 08:30:24 PM
Give Del credit for these two:

Shave tail ~ a green, inexperienced person.

No beans in the wheel ~ no cartridges in the cylinder.

And Russ T got this one:

Shindy ~ uproar, confusion.

No one got these right:

Coffee boiler ~ shirker, lazy person. (Would rather sit around the coffee pot than help.)

Lead plum ~ a bullet.





                     

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 03, 2004, 08:42:08 PM
Spanish supper

corpse an' cartridge occasion

'dobe walled

pooch
  (If Del doesn't get this one I'll be mighty surprised)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 04, 2004, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 03, 2004, 08:42:08 PM
Spanish supper

corpse an' cartridge occasion

'dobe walled

pooch
  (If Del doesn't get this one I'll be mighty surprised)

Pooch --------------------  stewed tomatoes, bread and sugar (sorry Del, but it sounded like wildlife to me)

corpse an' cartridge occasion -----  a shooting death?

'dobe walled ----------- executed by fireing squad in Mexico?

The ???? are the guesses.    ??? ??? ??? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 04, 2004, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 04, 2004, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 03, 2004, 08:42:08 PM
Spanish supper

corpse an' cartridge occasion

'dobe walled

pooch
  (If Del doesn't get this one I'll be mighty surprised)

Pooch --------------------  stewed tomatoes, bread and sugar (sorry Del, but it sounded like wildlife to me)

corpse an' cartridge occasion -----  a shooting death?

'dobe walled ----------- executed by fireing squad in Mexico?

The ???? are the guesses.    ??? ??? ??? ;D


Dang, Russ T, you're gettin' pretty good at this.

Corpse an' cartridge occasion ~ gunfight.

'dobe walled ~ to stand one against the wall and excute by shooting as was so often the case in Mexico.

Pooch ~ a dish made of canned tomatoes, sugar, and bread.

Somebody gotta give Spanish supper a shot.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Big Hext Finnigan on November 04, 2004, 11:37:27 PM
Ok..
Spanish Supper is wine..

Now my barber growing up was named Poochie.. wonder how he got the name.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 05, 2004, 07:39:53 AM
Quote from: Big Hext Finnigan on November 04, 2004, 11:37:27 PM
Ok..
Spanish Supper is wine..

Now my barber growing up was named Poochie.. wonder how he got the name.

Maybe Spanish Supper is wine in Austin, but according to Ramon F. Adams' book Cowboy Lingo, Spanish supper is "tightening the belt a notch or two as a substitute for food".

Was that your barber or your barker that was named "Poochie"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 09:48:32 AM
Let's try this one:


Root hog or die
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 09:48:32 AM
Let's try this one:


Root hog or die
Scrounge for food?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 09:48:32 AM
Let's try this one:


Root hog or die
Scrounge for food?

Slim

Sounds good, but it's not what I have.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 09:48:32 AM
Let's try this one:


Root hog or die
Scrounge for food?

Slim


Sounds good, but it's not what I have.
And, what do you have?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 11:08:26 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 09:48:32 AM
Let's try this one:


Root hog or die
Scrounge for food?

Slim


Sounds good, but it's not what I have.
And, what do you have?

Slim

To go after something all out.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 05, 2004, 11:19:09 AM
That sounds good to me.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 05, 2004, 11:48:58 AM
Probably where we get "going after something, Whole Hog".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 05, 2004, 03:47:35 PM
To go the whole hog. An American expression meaning unmixed democratical principles. It is used in England to signify a "thorough goer" of any kind. In Virginia the dealer asks the retail butcher if "he means to go the whole hog, or to take only certain joints, and he regulates his price accordingly." (Men and Manners of America.

    Mahomet forbade his followers to eat one part of the pig, but did not particularise what part he intended. Hence, strict Mahometans abstain from pork altogether, but those less scrupulous eat any part they fancy. Cowper refers to this in the lines:

"With sophistry their sauce they sweeten,
Till quite from tail to snout `tis eaten."
Love of the World Reproved.

Another explanation is this: A hog in Ireland is slang for "a shilling," and to go the whole hog means to spend the whole shilling. (See Hog.)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 05, 2004, 06:24:38 PM
'fraid hole

ketch dog

pants rats or seam squirrels

throwing the steel



'Sposed to meet up with Bambi in the mornin'.  Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 05, 2004, 07:24:01 PM
pants rats, seam squirrels - cooties,  lice nasty things you don't want
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 09, 2004, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 05, 2004, 07:24:01 PM
pants rats, seam squirrels - cooties,  lice nasty things you don't want

I'm guessin' Del was a mite disappointed he didn't get to use "poop" in his reply, but he did get to display his knowledge of other undesirable things.

How 'bout someone takin' on these other three:

'fraid hole

ketch dog

throwing the steel
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 12, 2004, 10:22:24 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 09, 2004, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 05, 2004, 07:24:01 PM
pants rats, seam squirrels - cooties,  lice nasty things you don't want

I'm guessin' Del was a mite disappointed he didn't get to use "poop" in his reply, but he did get to display his knowledge of other undesirable things.

How 'bout someone takin' on these other three:

'fraid hole

ketch dog

throwing the steel


Throwing the steel ---- tossing a knife perchance?  Don't have a clue on the wildlife one (ketch dog)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 12, 2004, 11:34:31 AM
ketch dog- maybe bounty hunter?

fraid hole- hidin' place?

throwin' steel- losin' a horseshoe?

Russ T. I think the Capt. out smarted himself here and crawled down his fraid hole, thats why we ain't heard from him in  afew days. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 12, 2004, 12:19:30 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 12, 2004, 11:34:31 AM
ketch dog- maybe bounty hunter?

fraid hole- hidin' place?

throwin' steel- losin' a horseshoe?

Russ T. I think the Capt. out smarted himself here and crawled down his fraid hole, thats why we ain't heard from him in  afew days. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Del

I think maaybe his meeting with Bambi may not have turned out like he thought.  ???  Maybe Bambi won this one!!  ;D ;D
Or Texana found out Bambi wasn't the ruminant we thought she was.  ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 12, 2004, 12:38:48 PM
Cool, I got to already dead Bambi's given to me this week, the Bambi killer's even help me de-bone it.  Don't know which ones parts I cooked last nigh, but it was wonderful, course one was a 1 1/2 old buck that needed culled because of antlers and a this year doe.  Wonderful eatin' and in our area they are almost considered varnmints, so right now G&P wants bunches kilt cause they are vicious, they are attackin' Yuppies in mini-vans kamakizie style. 

Did ya ever notice that serious deer hunters (as in kills them often) very seldom hit one on the road and if they do it's most often after dark.  I've talked to several rural vollenteer Emt's about this and they have noticed the same thing.  Bet of the Govt. would give me big bucks fer a grant I could tell them why.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 12, 2004, 07:14:37 PM
Maybe if Bambi won, we need a recipe on  how to properly cook a Hamp.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 12, 2004, 07:47:26 PM
Just use a beef recipe and where it says beef, use part of the Capt.  I vote for Chili, good and spicy in case he tastes a bit funny, no wait, clowns taste funny. ;D ;D :o :P

Taint funny though, I had a standoff with a ruttin' buck several years ago, almost shot him out of season, he was within a few feet of my imaginary line when he backed off, 243 was loaded, safety was off and the crosshairs were on his chest and the scope was on 1X and the line was only about 50 feet away and he was pawin and beatin the brush.  I really did not want his harem, even though he thought so.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 12, 2004, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 12, 2004, 07:14:37 PM
Maybe if Bambi won, we need a recipe on  how to properly cook a Hamp.

Reckon a recipe for buffalo hump would work - could call the results "Buffalo Hamp".

Sorry for delay in response, but am still not getting email notification of posts since changeover to AOL.  Any ideas how to correct this problem?

Haven't had a successful encounter with Bambi yet, although other extended family members have taken three
8-pointers and one 6-point off our place here.  Also have a herd of feral hogs that are passing through on a regular basis for the first time ever.  Supposed to be 12+ hogs and several 40-50 lb pigs in the bunch.  Would definitely like to get one of those pigs.

At least you guys gave it a shot, so here are the definitions of the most recent words/phrases:

'fraid hole ~ Cyclone cellar

ketch dog ~ dog trained and used to catch cattle by the nose and hold or throw them until they could be tied.

Throwing the steel ~ using spurs freely.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 12, 2004, 10:53:24 PM
Capt. tell em not ta kill the herd bulls fer eatin', ;D them young does and the young bucks with less antlers than they should have are mighty good eatin'.  Never could come up with a decent recipe fer antlers, tried fryin' them, boilin' them and bakin' them and they're still to tough ta eat. :P :o ;D

Course thats the kinda thing ya think I would say. ;D  Had braised deer, canned milk gravy and sourdough biscuits fer supper again.  The finest meal in the world two nights in a row.  Life don't get no better'n that. ;)  Unless I do it again tommorow. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 13, 2004, 07:17:14 AM
In an eariler post old Del said  "Did ya ever notice that serious deer hunters (as in kills them often) very seldom hit one on the road and if they do it's most often after dark.  I've talked to several rural vollenteer Emt's about this and they have noticed the same thing.  Bet of the Govt. would give me big bucks fer a grant I could tell them why."

Can't speak for the other "serious" ones, but I know that anytime I drive on rural roads/highways I am always on the lookout for deer, especially at night.  While our deer here in central Texas aren't as large as in some of your locales, they are very numerous and are plenty big enough to cost you a bunch of change for repairs to your vehicle if you hit one.  Del mentions EMT.  Just this past year, the head honcho of our local EMS (flew choppers and had commanded an aviation battalion in Viet Nam) was returning from a meeting one night, swerved to miss a deer, ran off the road, and hit an embankment.  A large object in his back seat was thrown forward and struck him in the back of his neck, breaking it and paralyzing him.  He only lived for a couple of days after the accident.  The deer survived.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 13, 2004, 10:00:28 AM
They tell us up here, never swerve to miss one, brake what you can and take it out, it will most often roll over top and the windshield will keep it out of most cars.  Swervin' will risk a roll over, that's how almost all who get killed get killed.

As an ex-bodyman I will agree, all cars I have ever fixed after a deer wreck, the deer or even the horse and rider go over top, pedestrians seem to want to go under though.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 13, 2004, 02:11:02 PM
singin' to 'em

top screw

cuitan

makin's

brain tablet
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 13, 2004, 02:22:35 PM
singin' to um-ridin' night herd

top screw-trail, ranch or roundup boss

makin's-yer tabaccy and yer papers or corn huks that ye roll yer baccy in
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 14, 2004, 08:21:45 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 13, 2004, 02:22:35 PM
singin' to um-ridin' night herd

top screw-trail, ranch or roundup boss

makin's-yer tabaccy and yer papers or corn huks that ye roll yer baccy in

Got all three of those right, Del.  Ranch or roundup boss also often referred to as  "Cock-a-doodle-doo".

cuitan ~ Indian pony

brain tablet ~ cigarette 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest

Unravel some cartridges

Grulla

Cactus boomers
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest

Unravel some cartridges

Grulla

Cactus boomers


Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest ---  Shot in the stomach?

Unravel some cartridges                                  ---  Go shootin'?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 01:47:47 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest

Unravel some cartridges

Grulla

Cactus boomers


Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest ---  Shot in the stomach?

Unravel some cartridges                                  ---  Go shootin'?


You got both of those right, Russ T.

Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest ~ shot a man in the abdomen

Unravel some cartridges ~ to start shooting

Still need:

Grulla

Cactus boomers

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 02:00:04 PM
A greyish colored horse, often liked cause it blends inta the background well, kinda like camyfloooge.

Cactus bloomer- shows up in good times like cactus flowers after a rain.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 02:04:35 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 11:04:55 AM
Gave him a pill in his stomach he couldn't digest

Unravel some cartridges

Grulla

Cactus boomers


Cactus boomers  --- Longhorns
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 02:00:04 PM
A greyish colored horse, often liked cause it blends inta the background well, kinda like camyfloooge.

Cactus bloomer- shows up in good times like cactus flowers after a rain.

Got this one, Del

Grulla ~ mouse colored horse

Ain't lookin' for no cactus "bloomers" (ain't that some kinda underwares?), we're talkin' Cactus boomers.

Russ T, you are right with your response.  Cactus boomers ~ old South Texas longhorns
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 02:26:17 PM
Mexican iron

down in the skillet

holler calf rope

cut a big gut
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 04:02:06 PM
down in the skillet- in deep poop. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 02:26:17 PM
Mexican iron

down in the skillet

holler calf rope

cut a big gut


holler calf rope  ----  give up?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 08:55:07 PM
could mexican iron be big ol' Mexican type spurs
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 08:55:07 PM
could mexican iron be big ol' Mexican type spurs

Mexican iron ~ Rawhide
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 09:43:17 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 21, 2004, 04:02:06 PM
down in the skillet- in deep poop. ;D ;D

Down in the skillet ~ Panhandle of Texas
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 02:26:17 PM
Mexican iron

down in the skillet

holler calf rope

cut a big gut


holler calf rope  ----  give up?


Sure 'nuff, Russ T.  Holler calf rope ~ acknowledge defeat
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 22, 2004, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 21, 2004, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 21, 2004, 02:26:17 PM
Mexican iron

down in the skillet

holler calf rope

cut a big gut


holler calf rope  ----  give up?


Sure 'nuff, Russ T.  Holler calf rope ~ acknowledge defeat

Must'a been that wildlife thing again.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 22, 2004, 04:09:31 PM
Russ T,

Your photos keep getting younger and younger.  Wouldn't be surprised if the next one is a pre-birth sonogram of you.  On second thought, it would have to have been made by Matthew Brady, and I doubt he had that type of equipment. ;D ;D

How 'bout givin' cut a big gut a try?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on November 22, 2004, 04:50:35 PM
Capt., You've been looking at my avatar again!.........Buck 8) :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 22, 2004, 07:03:39 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 22, 2004, 04:09:31 PM
Russ T,

Your photos keep getting younger and younger.  Wouldn't be surprised if the next one is a pre-birth sonogram of you.  On second thought, it would have to have been made by Matthew Brady, and I doubt he had that type of equipment. ;D ;D

How 'bout givin' cut a big gut a try?

As I told Slim t'uther one was taken late at night in some gold field saloon.  I've had a good night's sleep or two since, and it freshen'd me up.     

As to  the last one , I'm still ponderin' it.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 22, 2004, 07:21:37 PM
Cut a big gut-slice a summer sausage?  Takes a big gut ta make on a dem.  Back afore un-natural casing (if a gut is a natural casin' wouldn't a colloid one be an un-natural casin'?) they used the lower part of the large intestine of a bolivine type creature for that.  So to slice a summer sausage would be to cut a big gut. ;D ;D :o :o :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 23, 2004, 09:36:21 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 22, 2004, 07:21:37 PM
Cut a big gut-slice a summer sausage?  Takes a big gut ta make on a dem.  Back afore un-natural casing (if a gut is a natural casin' wouldn't a colloid one be an un-natural casin'?) they used the lower part of the large intestine of a bolivine type creature for that.  So to slice a summer sausage would be to cut a big gut. ;D ;D :o :o :o ;D ;)

To "cut a big gut" is somethin' I (and Del) tend ta do kinda often.  Cut a big gut ~ make oneself look ridiculous
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 23, 2004, 10:11:44 PM
Ya got to admit. even though it was "graspin' at straws" it was a good guess that might of eddycated ya. ;D

And Cap, why ya pickin' on me, least i ain't goin' through my second childhood like
Russ T.

With that Delmonico sticks his tongue out at Russ and sends the post. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 23, 2004, 10:11:44 PM
Ya got to admit. even though it was "graspin' at straws" it was a good guess that might of eddycated ya. ;D

And Cap, why ya pickin' on me, least i ain't goin' through my second childhood like
Russ T.

With that Delmonico sticks his tongue out at Russ and sends the post. ;D ;D

Whatcha mean "pickin' on me"?  I thought I was includin' you in a mighty exclusive group.  Ya noticed little Russ T weren't there dintcha?  Might be when he gits growed up a bit, but don't think he be ripe 'nuff yet.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 10:02:20 AM
wreck pan

squaw wood
or prairy coal

Mexican strawberries

groanin' cart


If Del don't get these right quick, I'll be real disappointed in him.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Big Hext Finnigan on November 24, 2004, 10:34:30 AM
I know I ain't the caliber of these old word pistoleros..

I reckon that squaw wood is buffalo chips.
Maybe a groanin' cart is one of those carteras, with the wooden wheels and axle?
Would a Mxican strawberry be a chili pepper?
And I can't hazard a guess on a wreck pan.. sounds like something at an auto yard. :)

Adios,
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 24, 2004, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 07:20:02 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 23, 2004, 10:11:44 PM
Ya got to admit. even though it was "graspin' at straws" it was a good guess that might of eddycated ya. ;D

And Cap, why ya pickin' on me, least i ain't goin' through my second childhood like
Russ T.

With that Delmonico sticks his tongue out at Russ and sends the post. ;D ;D

Whatcha mean "pickin' on me"?  I thought I was includin' you in a mighty exclusive group.  Ya noticed little Russ T weren't there dintcha?  Might be when he gits growed up a bit, but don't think he be ripe 'nuff yet.

What do ya mean second childhood ??? ??? ???  I'm workin' on my fourth or fifth ;D ;D ;D  At my age it's hard to remember what iteration I'm on ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 24, 2004, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 10:02:20 AM
wreck pan

squaw wood
or prairy coal

Mexican strawberries

groanin' cart


If Del don't get these right quick, I'll be real disappointed in him.

Del must be sleepin' under the chuck wagon. ::)
Wreck pan is where the boys would put the plates after eatin'. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 11:21:24 AM
Big Hext is correct with "I reckon that squaw wood is buffalo chips."  It applies to cow chips as well.  He's also close with his answer for "groanin' cart".

Russ T (bless his precious little heart) is correct with "Wreck pan is where the boys would put the plates after eatin'."

Guess we'll have to wait for Del (or some other feller what thinks he's smart) to come up with the meanin' for Mexican strawberries and groanin' cart
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 24, 2004, 12:23:29 PM
Mexican Strawberries are pinto beans
Groanin' cart is a full plate

I know squaw wood as what you can pick up off the ground and use without havin' to use a saw or axe.

Sorry I had to go to the bank and get money, to buy coffee beans was out.  Also, flour and lard.

I am makin' bread "for my wife to take with her to her sister's house tommorow."   Please note quotes.  Gotta go there might be bread takin' over my kitchen right now,  if I don't return it was tooooo muuucch indutrial type yeast, I love the stuff.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 24, 2004, 01:17:25 PM
Del's half right with his Mexican strawberries answer.  Squaw wood is another term for cow/buffalo chips, howsomever.

groanin' cart was another term for chuck wagon.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 24, 2004, 07:44:52 PM
I cry fowl in honor of the season.  Prairie coal might have been sometimes called squaw wood, but my answer in that on is also correct. 

OK boiled pinto beans!!!!!!

The other though was a guess. ;D ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: gophergrease on November 24, 2004, 08:05:02 PM
Del, would you call old sourdough biscets Squaw wood?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 24, 2004, 08:41:56 PM
Dern it, I seen you were round and thought ya was gonna deefend me. 

Oh yes, tryin' ta burn up  week old sourdough biscuits that lain open on the counter fer a week, we had ta burn them, if we shot them the bullets would have rickershayed off and someone would have been hurt.  Kinda though reminded me of hard coal, not squaw wood.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 27, 2004, 11:50:45 AM
Hope every body survived Thanksgiving, 'specially those what ate Del's cookin'. ;D

Here's smore words to cogitate on.

mockey

fish
(not piscatorially related)

wrangatang

"Buck Nun"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 27, 2004, 08:39:55 PM
Fish be on a them yallar ruberizes slickers thak keeps tha rain ofen yer carcass.  A true Fish is made by the Fish company, but the one's made by Tower and others is often called a fish.  Also they often be called a henskin.

My brain is to tired from work ta think of the others right now.  Maybe after some coffee.  Sides that Buck Nun sounds like a job fe Russ.  Cept it also would by looogeeek maybe be a priest or a monk.

Tain't nobody had ta eat ma cookin' on Thursday but me.  The warden gave me a pardon and let me stay home instead a goin' ta her sistors house.  Stayed home by ma self and braised some deer steak, made canned cow gravy and sourdough biscuits.   Also made an apple/raisin cobbler.  Bet that was a better meal than any ta you ate's.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 28, 2004, 06:32:37 AM
Nuthin' fishy 'bout Dell's response - fish ~ slicker or oil skin coat.

No body wantin' to try the others?

mockey

wrangatang

"Buck Nun"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 29, 2004, 02:19:56 PM
wrangatang - what Elmer Fudd calls this  ;D

(http://www.f.kth.se/~f94-hjo/pics/borneo-malaysia2002/orangutang.jpg)

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 29, 2004, 02:22:00 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 28, 2004, 06:32:37 AM
Nuthin' fishy 'bout Dell's response - fish ~ slicker or oil skin coat.

No body wantin' to try the others?

mockey

wrangatang

"Buck Nun"


Just got back from Turkey wranglin' in Orygun.  So I guess we'll give this a try.  Think I've got all the Tryptophan out of my system. ::) ::)

First the wildlife:
Mockey      ---   a wild mare   :P

Now we're guessing:
Wrangatan ---    Ranch foreman?  ??? ???


I don't think it's Slim's version of wildlife!   ;D ;D

Welcome back Slim!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on November 29, 2004, 02:27:18 PM
I'd take a shot at "Buck Nun," but my definition would involve men cross-dressing into female religious garb, and then both Slim and Delmonico would glare at me!

:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 29, 2004, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on November 29, 2004, 02:27:18 PM
I'd take a shot at "Buck Nun," but my definition would involve men cross-dressing into female religious garb, and then both Slim and Delmonico would glare at me!

:D

AnnieLee
Ya got that right.  ;)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on November 29, 2004, 02:30:03 PM
Buck nun: A woman so devout, she missed her calling. She should have been a nun. Usually used in a derogatory way.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 29, 2004, 08:18:30 PM
Russ T had mockey pegged with his definition ~wild mare

Slim and AnnieLee at least gave it a shot, but they both missed.

wrangatang ~ day horse herder

Buck Nun ~ man living the life of a recluse

Was gettin' a mite worried bout old Slim, not hearin' nuthin outta him for so long, and was 'fraid some turkey hunter mistook his red beard and red bandana for a turkey wattle and brung him home for Thanksgiving dinner.

.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on November 29, 2004, 08:50:22 PM
Well, phooey! Google let me down! <kicks Google up and down the block a few times>

I reckon that means I really AM a nun, then!


:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 29, 2004, 10:24:23 PM
I think I would par boil Slim afore we roasted him.  Maybe a cornbread stuffin' with canned oysters.  Wrap his ears with wet rags ta keep them from burnin'  maybe the apple in his mouth ta finish it off, na we'll be different and put a trout in his mouth and a crab apple in the trouts mouth.  :P :P
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 30, 2004, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 29, 2004, 10:24:23 PM
I think I would par boil Slim afore we roasted him.  Maybe a cornbread stuffin' with canned oysters.  Wrap his ears with wet rags ta keep them from burnin'  maybe the apple in his mouth ta finish it off, na we'll be different and put a trout in his mouth and a crab apple in the trouts mouth.  :P :P
::)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 30, 2004, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 29, 2004, 08:18:30 PM
Russ T had mockey pegged with his definition ~wild mare

Slim and AnnieLee at least gave it a shot, but they both missed.

wrangatang ~ day horse herder

Buck Nun ~ man living the life of a recluse

Was gettin' a mite worried bout old Slim, not hearin' nuthin outta him for so long, and was 'fraid some turkey hunter mistook his red beard and red bandana for a turkey wattle and brung him home for Thanksgiving dinner.

.
Been chasing Chinese Chix. Besides Del and Rusty are too fast for me.  :(

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 30, 2004, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 30, 2004, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 29, 2004, 08:18:30 PM
Russ T had mockey pegged with his definition ~wild mare

Slim and AnnieLee at least gave it a shot, but they both missed.

wrangatang ~ day horse herder

Buck Nun ~ man living the life of a recluse

Was gettin' a mite worried bout old Slim, not hearin' nuthin outta him for so long, and was 'fraid some turkey hunter mistook his red beard and red bandana for a turkey wattle and brung him home for Thanksgiving dinner.
Been chasing Chinese Chix. Besides Del and Rusty are too fast for me.  :(

Slim
Ever notice when Slim goes hunting there is more concern for Slim's well bein' than the game he's after.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on November 30, 2004, 06:14:46 PM
Googlein' takes time Slim. ;D   
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 30, 2004, 06:38:37 PM
Russ T said:  "Ever notice when Slim goes hunting there is more concern for Slim's well bein' than the game he's after."

He's probly doin' us all a favor by gettin' rid of them defective birds he says caint fly nohow, by shootin' 'em on the ground.  Ya don't really think he could hit one on the fly, do ya? ;D

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 01, 2004, 08:55:16 AM
shakin' hands with grandma

Tucson bed

telegraph him home

moonshinin'
  (has nuthin' to do with corn likker)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 01, 2004, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 30, 2004, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 30, 2004, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 29, 2004, 08:18:30 PM
Russ T had mockey pegged with his definition ~wild mare

Slim and AnnieLee at least gave it a shot, but they both missed.

wrangatang ~ day horse herder

Buck Nun ~ man living the life of a recluse

Was gettin' a mite worried bout old Slim, not hearin' nuthin outta him for so long, and was 'fraid some turkey hunter mistook his red beard and red bandana for a turkey wattle and brung him home for Thanksgiving dinner.
Been chasing Chinese Chix. Besides Del and Rusty are too fast for me.  :(

Slim
Ever notice when Slim goes hunting there is more concern for Slim's well bein' than the game he's after.
Are ya implying the game is safer than me?  ::)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 01, 2004, 09:31:19 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on November 30, 2004, 06:38:37 PM
Russ T said:  "Ever notice when Slim goes hunting there is more concern for Slim's well bein' than the game he's after."

He's probly doin' us all a favor by gettin' rid of them defective birds he says caint fly nohow, by shootin' 'em on the ground.  Ya don't really think he could hit one on the fly, do ya? ;D


I do, but it takes 'bout a box of shells.  :-[

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 01, 2004, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on November 30, 2004, 06:14:46 PM
Googlein' takes time Slim. ;D   
Mr. Google is on a break. And so is me brain.  :D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 02, 2004, 08:32:53 AM
Slim went an' hid these , so am reposting.

shakin' hands with grandma

Tucson bed

telegraph him home

moonshinin'
   (has nuthin' to do with corn likker)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 02, 2004, 11:26:56 AM
Sorry.  :-[

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 02, 2004, 12:58:41 PM
It has many names but I understand Tucson bed as not havin' a soogun and usin' yer saddle and saddle blanket.

Telagraph home is to knock somebody in the head.

shakin' hands with Grandma-diein'

moonshinin'-ridin' night herd
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 03, 2004, 09:04:19 AM
Del, you're gettin' better all the time.  Gonna give ya credit for these two:

Tucson bed ~ sleeping in the open without covering

telegraph him home (kinda close on this one)    ~ to hang a rustler with his own rope and borrow a pole from Western Union

Need better answers for:

shakin' hands with grandma  (means the same as "grabbin' the post")

moonshinin' (has something to do with a chuckwagon [or the lack thereof])
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 03, 2004, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 03, 2004, 09:04:19 AM
Del, you're gettin' better all the time.  Gonna give ya credit for these two:

Tucson bed ~ sleeping in the open without covering

telegraph him home (kinda close on this one)    ~ to hang a rustler with his own rope and borrow a pole from Western Union

Need better answers for:

shakin' hands with grandma  (means the same as "grabbin' the post")

moonshinin' (has something to do with a chuckwagon [or the lack thereof])

shakin' hands with grandma  ---  holding the saddle horn

moonshinin' --- just a guess, but cookin' on a campfire?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on December 03, 2004, 11:54:59 AM
Errr.. I always heard that "shaking hands with grandma" was what a guy did when he had to urinate.  :-[

And is moonshinin' Del's favorite: Pooping?


AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 04, 2004, 06:22:24 AM
Quote from: AnnieLee on December 03, 2004, 11:54:59 AM
Errr.. I always heard that "shaking hands with grandma" was what a guy did when he had to urinate.  :-[

And is moonshinin' Del's favorite: Pooping?


AnnieLee

Your Grandma musta had a curious anatomy.  ??? ::) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 04, 2004, 08:04:22 AM
Russ T's dead on with "shakin' hands with grandma" ~ catching hold of the saddle horn when a horse starts bucking, and he's close with "moonshinin'" ~ working a roundup in rough country where a chuckwagon couldn't go.

Annie Lee, think you been hangin' out with some strange folks.   Are you and Slim related?::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on December 06, 2004, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on December 04, 2004, 06:22:24 AM
Quote from: AnnieLee on December 03, 2004, 11:54:59 AM
Errr.. I always heard that "shaking hands with grandma" was what a guy did when he had to urinate.  :-[

And is moonshinin' Del's favorite: Pooping?


AnnieLee

Your Grandma musta had a curious anatomy.  ??? ::) ;D

Umm.. a lot of grandmas have soft, wrinkly hands with not a lot of firmness to them...

And I won't say more than that, because my face is turning red!

:-[

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on December 06, 2004, 12:11:34 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 04, 2004, 08:04:22 AM


Annie Lee, think you been hangin' out with some strange folks.   Are you and Slim related?::)

Wow, how'd you know?? He and JW and I are cousins.

:D


AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 06, 2004, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 04, 2004, 08:04:22 AM
Russ T's dead on with "shakin' hands with grandma" ~ catching hold of the saddle horn when a horse starts bucking, and he's close with "moonshinin'" ~ working a roundup in rough country where a chuckwagon couldn't go.

Annie Lee, think you been hangin' out with some strange folks.   Are you and Slim related?::)

Yeah! I resemble that remark.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 06, 2004, 06:22:37 PM
Don't ferget Lonegunman and I are realated as I tolt ya Slim. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 07, 2004, 04:12:07 PM
crease (as in to "crease" a horse)

bueno (as a category of cattle)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 07, 2004, 04:30:08 PM
crease (as in to "crease" a horse) - stunning with a bullet

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 07, 2004, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on December 07, 2004, 04:30:08 PM
crease (as in to "crease" a horse) - stunning with a bullet

Slim


That's correct, Slim, but why would anyone want to do that?

crease ~ to place a rifle bullet in the top of the horse's neck, grazing the cords of the neck enough to stun the animal and knock it down so that it can be tied down before it recovers from the shock.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 07, 2004, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 07, 2004, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on December 07, 2004, 04:30:08 PM
crease (as in to "crease" a horse) - stunning with a bullet

Slim


That's correct, Slim, but why would anyone want to do that?

crease ~ to place a rifle bullet in the top of the horse's neck, grazing the cords of the neck enough to stun the animal and knock it down so that it can be tied down before it recovers from the shock.
I have no clue. I ain't that good a shot even with a rifle.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 12, 2004, 04:03:34 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 07, 2004, 04:12:07 PM
crease (as in to "crease" a horse)

bueno (as a category of cattle)

crease (as in to "crease" a horse)  As you said Slim got it.  It was a method used to catch wild mustangs.  Not very effective as they thought the rate was 1 capture to about 50 dead horses.

bueno (as a category of cattle)  good cow, as in a head of cattle found at roundup that had a brand no one claimed, and wasn't in the registry.  Like a freebee.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 12, 2004, 07:32:17 AM
You do pretty good work for a kid, Russ T.  We just might hire you on when you grow up. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 12, 2004, 03:35:49 PM
Let's see if the kid comes thru and gets hired.

Wood Pussy (not sexual)

Pig's vest with buttons (Delmoico?)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 12, 2004, 08:18:47 PM
Why you low down rotten polecat, er wood pussy!!!!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 12, 2004, 08:57:56 PM
Since most pork that was cured and smoked back then still had the skin on it.  I would guess it was one of those slabs of bacon from a sow rather than a boar.  (Used to get those once in a while.)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 13, 2004, 10:49:09 AM
Let's see if the kid comes thru and gets hired.

Wood Pussy (not sexual)   skunk -  Hamp gets' it with "Why you low down rotten polecat, er wood pussy!!!!"

Pig's vest with buttons (Delmoico?) Saltpork or sowbelly  -  Del is close enough "Since most pork that was cured and smoked back then still had the skin on it.  I would guess it was one of those slabs of bacon from a sow rather than a boar.  (Used to get those once in a while.)"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 18, 2004, 07:14:46 PM
Every body out buyin' Christmas gifts?  Or, mebbe the Russ T Kid done run 'em all off. ;D

Here's a couple more for them what already got all the presents under the tree.

stripper (not the bump and grind kind)

saddle blanket gambler

fox fire
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 18, 2004, 09:55:36 PM
A saddle blanket gambler is one who will set up an improptue game anywhere as on a saddle blanket.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on December 18, 2004, 10:09:59 PM
Boy, Cap'n, I thought you'd run out words..................Buck 8) ??? :)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 19, 2004, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 18, 2004, 09:55:36 PM
A saddle blanket gambler is one who will set up an improptue game anywhere as on a saddle blanket.

That'll work, Del.  He was generally a small stakes gambler.

Four-Eyed Buck, you oughta know by now I'd make up somethin' 'fore I'd run out.

Hows about stripper and fox fire?



Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 19, 2004, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 19, 2004, 09:08:35 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 18, 2004, 09:55:36 PM
A saddle blanket gambler is one who will set up an improptue game anywhere as on a saddle blanket.

That'll work, Del.  He was generally a small stakes gambler.

Four-Eyed Buck, you oughta know by now I'd make up somethin' 'fore I'd run out.

Hows about stripper and fox fire?

Just got to my brother's telegraph in Wisconsin.  My horse got a little "sluggish" passin' through Nebrassky.  ;D :P

More wildlife sorta!

Stripper:   Either a heifer, or a buffalo skinner.

Got one for Del, or anyone else fot that matter:  :D

Son-of-a-bitch-in-a-sack.



Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 19, 2004, 07:20:35 PM
Sob in a sack is a boiled or steamed puddin' in a sack.  This is a bead or flour based puddin' not a cornstarch based puddin' like Bill Cosby was always peddlein'. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 19, 2004, 07:20:35 PM
Sob in a sack is a boiled or steamed puddin' in a sack.  This is a bead or flour based puddin' not a cornstarch based puddin' like Bill Cosby was always peddlein'. ;D
Suet pudding!  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 09:24:43 AM
fox fire - tie a torch to the tail of a fox and let it go in the grasslands

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 09:25:18 AM
Here's one fer ya.
Leather burner

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
Most cowboy/chuckwagon puddin's are suet, but not all.  I need to do some work in this area, plan to take that project up after the first of the year, if ya lived closer Slim ya could come help with the taste testin'. ;)

Leather burner can either be someone who rides long distance or someone who breaks horses.

The only Fox Fire I know of is dem books from back east and the glowy stuff from rotten wood.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 20, 2004, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 19, 2004, 07:20:35 PM
Sob in a sack is a boiled or steamed puddin' in a sack.  This is a bead or flour based puddin' not a cornstarch based puddin' like Bill Cosby was always peddlein'. ;D

The version I heard of was dried fruit wrapped in dough then steeamed.

Fox fire  --  glow on the horns of cattle during an electrical storm. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 09:51:08 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 09:40:01 AM
Most cowboy/chuckwagon puddin's are suet, but not all.  I need to do some work in this area, plan to take that project up after the first of the year, if ya lived closer Slim ya could come help with the taste testin'. ;)

Leather burner can either be someone who rides long distance or someone who breaks horses.

The only Fox Fire I know of is dem books from back east and the glowy stuff from rotten wood.
My Dad's family (English) always has Suet Pudding for Christmas. Ya can bring some to the convention.  ;D

I'z looking fer something else fer Leather Burner. One of Hoppy's movies is titled "Leather Burners". I just watched it the other night.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 10:11:10 AM
Most chuckwagons did not seem to carry a pudin' mould so they often made what ever variation the cook prefered in a sack, my reseach says any boiled or steamed puddin' in a puddin' cloth was a sob in a sack. ;D ;)

The leather burner could also be a runnin' iron expert, fergot that one, since Slim is in on it more than likely, fergot that one.   

Just like to day, words change their meanin.'  A gay cowboy today ain't what a gay cowboy would have been around 1900. 

The horn thing I've always seen referances to that bein' St' Elmo's fire, but no doubt fox fire would have been used also since it would resemble the rotten wood kind.

Even the word cowboy has changed, an old fella who would accept that term in 1899 might have shot you for callin' him one in 1861.  Fact is any good patreeeout durnin' the revalooontion would have shot a "
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 10:15:05 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 10:11:10 AM
The leather burner could also be a runnin' iron expert, fergot that one, since Slim is in on it more than likely, fergot that one.   
That's the one I was looking fer.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 10:36:49 AM
cowboy, cause that was a loyalist that stole cattle from patriots. ;D 

That was wierd I wasn't fisnished with this post, went upstairs to do some things and it was posted. ??? ??? ???

Was that durn cat playin' with the mouse? ??? :o :o :-\
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 20, 2004, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 20, 2004, 10:36:49 AM
cowboy, cause that was a loyalist that stole cattle from patriots. ;D 

That was wierd I wasn't fisnished with this post, went upstairs to do some things and it was posted. ??? ??? ???

Was that durn cat playin' with the mouse? ??? :o :o :-\
I wouldn't doubt. That is probably why cat aren't allowed at the office.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 20, 2004, 05:35:11 PM
Russ T was right with:

stripper = buffalo skinner

fox fire = glow on the horns of cattle during an electrical storm
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 21, 2004, 07:18:37 AM
chigaderos

red ink

walkin'-beamin'

as useless as a twenty-two cartridge in an 8-gauge shotgun
  (Slim, don't take this one personal) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 21, 2004, 09:10:09 AM
chigaderos is tabaccy rolled up in a cornhusk and smoked. ;D

ussless as a 22 in a 8 gauge, not much good. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 21, 2004, 09:14:46 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 21, 2004, 07:18:37 AM
as useless as a twenty-two cartridge in an 8-gauge shotgun  (Slim, don't take this one personal) ;D
Whatcha mean by that?!?!  >:(  ;)


Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 22, 2004, 09:18:44 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 21, 2004, 09:10:09 AM
chigaderos is tabaccy rolled up in a cornhusk and smoked. ;D

ussless as a 22 in a 8 gauge, not much good. ;D

Del's right :) with the second one, but wrong :'( with the first.

chigaderos, chinkaderos, and armitas are all names for variations of early chaps.

Someone needs to take a shot at:

red ink

walkin'-beamin'
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 22, 2004, 09:57:29 AM
red ink - being over budget

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 22, 2004, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 22, 2004, 09:18:44 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 21, 2004, 09:10:09 AM
chigaderos is tabaccy rolled up in a cornhusk and smoked. ;D

ussless as a 22 in a 8 gauge, not much good. ;D

Del's right :) with the second one, but wrong :'( with the first.

chigaderos, chinkaderos, and armitas are all names for variations of early chaps.

Someone needs to take a shot at:

red ink

walkin'-beamin'


Red ink ---  Whiskey
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on December 22, 2004, 02:55:53 PM
Slim's wrong and that little feller, Russ T, is right.

red ink ~ whiskey

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 22, 2004, 02:57:48 PM
red signal oil

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 28, 2004, 06:44:02 PM
calf slobber
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 29, 2004, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 28, 2004, 06:44:02 PM
calf slobber
Nope. There is no such thing. It was used in a Hoppy movie to play a trick on California.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on December 29, 2004, 01:10:42 PM
Wrong Slim, think bucket calf. ;D ;D :P
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 29, 2004, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 29, 2004, 01:10:42 PM
Wrong Slim, think bucket calf. ;D ;D :P
:o  ::)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on December 29, 2004, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on December 29, 2004, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 28, 2004, 06:44:02 PM
calf slobber
Nope. There is no such thing. It was used in a Hoppy movie to play a trick on California.  ;D

Slim

Just like the time California was told to get a bucket of steam from a train engine.    ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on December 29, 2004, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on December 29, 2004, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on December 29, 2004, 01:02:06 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on December 28, 2004, 06:44:02 PM
calf slobber
Nope. There is no such thing. It was used in a Hoppy movie to play a trick on California.  ;D

Slim

Just like the time California was told to get a bucket of steam from a train engine.    ::) ::)
Yep, that's in the same movie.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 07, 2005, 03:30:05 PM
Okay folks

Been kinda quiet 'round here!  ???  ::)  ;D
Lets see what we can do with defining these:  ???

Roll the cotton          ----
Rope meat                 ----
Didn't have a tail-feather left    ----
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 12, 2005, 06:28:09 AM
Ain't never gonna get anybody to come out and play if ya keep postin these hard ones. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 12, 2005, 10:14:36 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 12, 2005, 06:28:09 AM
Ain't never gonna get anybody to come out and play if ya keep postin these hard ones. 

Roll the cotton          ----         Roll up one's bed and move amp
Rope meat                 ----       the victum of a hang'n
Didn't have a tail-feather left    ----    completely broke, usuallu after a bad night gamblin'

Ididn't really think they was that bad.   ??? ::) :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 14, 2005, 12:39:32 PM
Dang it, I should have posted my guess on the tail feathers one, I would have been correct!

It still would have been a guess,

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 14, 2005, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on February 14, 2005, 12:39:32 PM
Dang it, I should have posted my guess on the tail feathers one, I would have been correct!

It still would have been a guess,

AnnieLee

I got by with guesses on some of Capt. Cox's words.  ::) ::)  Just like I guess on the location of targets after my first coupl'a blackpowder rounds go down range.  If'n I hear a clang, I know I guessed right.   :o ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 16, 2005, 05:07:20 PM
Been so long since we started this thread I may be repeatin' myself, so be gentle with me. ::)

man for breakfast

unshucked

fag

on the prod

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on February 16, 2005, 08:49:43 PM
Fag- cigarette? or the early usage was a small piece of woood as in kindling...........Buck 8) ::) ??? :-\
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 16, 2005, 10:27:27 PM
On the prod----

Here's my guess... on the move, moving along as if prodded.

I agree with fag being the ember of a stick or cigarette.

???

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 17, 2005, 07:16:14 AM
fag
In cowboy talk, to get out fast.  "AnnieLee fagged outta there like her shirttaill was on far."


on the prod
Full of vinegar and looking for trouble. Said of both people and critters. "Ol' Russ T's shore on the prod today.  Best not get in his way."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on February 17, 2005, 07:53:21 AM
Unshucked - you lookin fer "unholstered" as in: he unshucked that sidearm mighty quick?  Or will just plain "naked", do?  Used to describe justa bout anything that's unwrapped, kinda the opposite of how its used in foodstuffs.

Don't know how I missed this thread before, but have had a blast catchin' up!

Griff
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on February 17, 2005, 08:02:05 AM
Man for breakfast:  I'll take a stab at this one - could be something the church ladies would whisper behind their hands, as in "She had a man for breakfast", meaning she's a harlot.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 17, 2005, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Griff on February 17, 2005, 08:02:05 AM
Man for breakfast:  I'll take a stab at this one - could be something the church ladies would whisper behind their hands, as in "She had a man for breakfast", meaning she's a harlot.

You're battin' .500, Griff, with your "unshucked" definition, but need a bit more work on "man for breakfast".   
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 17, 2005, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 17, 2005, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: Griff on February 17, 2005, 08:02:05 AM
Man for breakfast:  I'll take a stab at this one - could be something the church ladies would whisper behind their hands, as in "She had a man for breakfast", meaning she's a harlot.

You're battin' .500, Griff, with your "unshucked" definition, but need a bit more work on "man for breakfast".   

Ok
Couldn't wait any longer -- as I ain't really on the prod. ;D ;D

Man for breakfast  --  finding a body the morning after a night's shooting spree.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 17, 2005, 11:40:51 AM
Hey, Russ T. 'bout time you fagged outta that bedroll on the prod, walked 'round that man for breakfast, unshucked yore pencil, and sent in the keerect answer.  Guess there's a little life left in ya yet. :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 17, 2005, 11:59:12 AM
I don't know how old this one is, but my mom still uses it and said it came from her grandmother:

"Wearing her apron backwards."

Know what it means?

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Wrangler Rich on February 17, 2005, 12:03:47 PM
Annie,
I'll take a shot at "Wearing your apron backwards"

My Grandma used to put her's on backwards when she was expecting company.  That way, when the company came, she would turn it around, an have a "Clean" apron.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 17, 2005, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 17, 2005, 11:40:51 AM
Hey, Russ T. 'bout time you fagged outta that bedroll on the prod, walked 'round that man for breakfast, unshucked yore pencil, and sent in the keerect answer.  Guess there's a little life left in ya yet. :D

Just lettin' other folks play the game ::) ;D.  I only roll out on the peck iffin' someome snuck a snake in my beadroll  ??? ::) ;D

Speakin' of shucks

How about ---- Light a shuck ----  ??? ???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 18, 2005, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Wrangler Rich on February 17, 2005, 12:03:47 PM
Annie,
I'll take a shot at "Wearing your apron backwards"

My Grandma used to put her's on backwards when she was expecting company.  That way, when the company came, she would turn it around, an have a "Clean" apron.

While I can understand how that would work since I've seen young boys try to pull the trick of turning their underwear inside out and claiming it was clean, that isn't how my mother used the term. When she said it, she usually included a tsk of derision.

:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 18, 2005, 03:42:44 PM
Don't know much 'bout aperns, but guess ifin I didn't know whether I was comin' or goin'... ???

On tother hand, got a couple a possibles on Light a shuck.  I sometimes light a shuck ifin I want ta get from here ta there rite quick.  Ifin its dark, I might even light a corn shuck (literally) ta help me see where I'm shuckin' to.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 18, 2005, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 18, 2005, 03:42:44 PM
Don't know much 'bout aperns, but guess ifin I didn't know whether I was comin' or goin'... ???

On tother hand, got a couple a possibles on Light a shuck.  I sometimes light a shuck ifin I want ta get from here ta there rite quick.  Ifin its dark, I might even light a corn shuck (literally) ta help me see where I'm shuckin' to.
Capt.
You got it.  Corn shucks were put next to fires in cowboy camps to allow them to light up enough area to get out if camp.  If you've ever turned away from a campfire, then tried to see into the dark (NO WAY)!\
The shuck didn't burn long; so then the term was used to leave quickly.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 18, 2005, 11:19:55 PM
Apron on backwards:

When a woman is wearing a skirt and shirt and the shirt tail is untucked and hanging out the back, she has "her apron on backwards," meaning she isn't dressed properly.

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on February 23, 2005, 12:20:14 PM
Speakin' of aprons...

Grandma's Apron

I don't think our kids know what an apron IS ...

The principle use of Grandma's apron was to protect the dress underneath, but along with that, it served as a holder for removing hot pans from the oven. It was wonderful for drying children's tears, and on occasion was even used for cleaning out dirty ears.

From the chicken-coop the apron was used for carrying eggs,  fussy chicks, and sometimes half-hatched eggs to be finished in  the warming oven.

When company came those aprons were ideal hiding places for shy kids. And when the weather was cold, grandma wrapped it around her arms.  Those big old aprons wiped many a perspiring brow, bent over the hot wood stove.

Chips and kindling wood were brought into the kitchen in that apron. From the garden, it carried all sorts of vegetables. After the peas had been shelled it carried out the hulls. In the fall the apron was used to bring in apples that had fallen from the trees.

When unexpected company drove up the road, it was surprising how much furniture that old apron could dust in a matter of seconds.

When dinner was ready, Grandma walked out onto the porch, waved her apron, and the men knew it was time to come in from the fields to dinner.

It will be a long time before someone invents something that will replace that "old-time apron" that served so many purposes.

Send this to those who would know, and love the story about Grandma's aprons.

REMEMBER THIS!   
"Grandma used to set her hot baked apple pies on the window sill to cool. Her granddaughter's set theirs on the window sill to thaw
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on February 23, 2005, 01:03:31 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 23, 2005, 01:09:23 PM
Well.... my son knows about aprons, and I told him Sarah was my cousin, and her sister is Mrs. Smith.

:D


AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on February 23, 2005, 05:11:51 PM
That was great, Capt. Thanks. I'm gonna send it to my ma.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on February 23, 2005, 05:36:09 PM
Hey Cosie's wear aprons too.  Look at ma new picture Slim done put on my Avatar. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on February 23, 2005, 07:20:38 PM
Cain't see his eyes! :o ::)He's a hidin' something :oprobably the castor oil bottle............Buck 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on February 24, 2005, 03:20:01 PM
It a nice calico apron.  ;D ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 24, 2005, 06:02:21 PM
Ok Slim

Before you're forced to move this one to Tall Tales ::) ;D, let see if'n anyone knows: ???


Leaky mouth.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on February 24, 2005, 11:06:51 PM
leaky mouth = one who can't stop talking, or who tells tales that are better served not repeated.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 25, 2005, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Griff on February 24, 2005, 11:06:51 PM
leaky mouth = one who can't stop talking, or who tells tales that are better served not repeated.

You got it.

When two such men get together, they "jes' jabber at each other like a couple o' honkers on a new feed ground."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 25, 2005, 11:02:31 AM
Dang! I knew that one!

Leaky mouth= Delmonico!


< Ducks and runs >

;D  ;D  ;D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 25, 2005, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: AnnieLee on February 25, 2005, 11:02:31 AM
Dang! I knew that one!

Leaky mouth= Delmonico!


< Ducks and runs >

;D  ;D  ;D

AnnieLee

AnnieLee


Does that mean when Del and GG get together they "jes' jabber at each other like a couple o' honkers on a new feed ground."

??? ::) :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 25, 2005, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on February 25, 2005, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: AnnieLee on February 25, 2005, 11:02:31 AM
Dang! I knew that one!

Leaky mouth= Delmonico!


< Ducks and runs >

;D  ;D  ;D

AnnieLee

AnnieLee


Does that mean when Del and GG get together they "jes' jabber at each other like a couple o' honkers on a new feed ground."

??? ::) :o ;D ;D ;D


Oh, it doesn't have to be Del and GG. It can be Del and me, Del and Slim, Del and a woman waiting at a bus stop...  :D

Del skipped going to lunch with us on Sunday because he was too busy talking.

Oops, am I going off topic, again? Quick add some new phrases!

;)

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on February 25, 2005, 12:03:08 PM
Ya fergot Del and Buck! ;D Yes, please come up with another word........FAST...........Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on February 25, 2005, 01:37:54 PM
Okie, here's one. It's a quote from a Western:
"They say they're goin' to heel and hide you to a barn door."

What does the "heel" part mean?

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on February 25, 2005, 02:17:47 PM
heel = rope, as in headin' & heelin', or in this instance tie you up.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 25, 2005, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: Griff on February 25, 2005, 02:17:47 PM
heel = rope, as in headin' & heelin', or in this instance tie you up.

Speakin' of heelin'  -
   How about   -  Frog squatter


Yup back on topic or we'll be in tall tales in a heart beat. :o ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on February 27, 2005, 12:05:09 AM
I would say it was someone slippin' off to the bushes or whereever to get something done, when there wasn't a privy around anywhere.

PS It is a beutiful purple apron with tiny little flowers on it.  One of several cause I use a clean one when ever the other one gets dirty.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on February 27, 2005, 11:37:12 AM
Frog squatter --  also heel squatter,  a cowboy who like to rest back on his heels around the campfire to eat or spin yarns.

Would work for Del's purpose too, if'n ya kept your heels spread slightly.  ::) ::)  Also 'SPURS NOT ADVISED!!'  :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on February 27, 2005, 08:26:59 PM
"Picking Flowers" and "Hunting Rabbits."   Who, why what and when. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 02, 2005, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on February 27, 2005, 08:26:59 PM
"Picking Flowers" and "Hunting Rabbits."   Who, why what and when. ;D

"Picking Flowers"   The only thing I can think of is when a cowboy fell off his horse, he was said to be picking flowers.  ??? ???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 02, 2005, 11:50:59 AM
Ladies picked flowers, men hunted rabbits.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on March 02, 2005, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 02, 2005, 11:50:59 AM
Ladies picked flowers, men hunted rabbits.
"Answering the call of nature", "draining the radiator"(my dad), "using the facilities".

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 02, 2005, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on March 02, 2005, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 02, 2005, 11:50:59 AM
Ladies picked flowers, men hunted rabbits.
"Answering the call of nature", "draining the radiator"(my dad), "using the facilities".

Slim

I think Slim's got a weinner ::) there even if it's not what Del was lookin' fer.  ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 02, 2005, 07:51:05 PM
Russ T. Slim ain't as dumb as ya been tellin' us. ::) ;D  Thats what was often said about it at stage stops. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on March 02, 2005, 08:34:57 PM

Del's gotta sit this one out.   ;D

gut robber

dough-boxer

Sallie

greasy belly

bean-master

belly-cheater

biscuit shooter
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on March 02, 2005, 08:58:12 PM
Sallie is a cosie... is this a trick question? Are ALL of them terms for the cook?


AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on March 02, 2005, 09:38:49 PM
Yep, AnnieLee's on to me.   :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on March 02, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
Yay! I got one right!

Wait a second... I got SEVEN right!

so Seven times YAY!!!

:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on March 03, 2005, 11:51:21 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 02, 2005, 07:51:05 PM
Russ T. Slim ain't as dumb as ya been tellin' us. ::) ;D  Thats what was often said about it at stage stops. ;D
;D ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 12:57:31 PM
Okay

Time to put a new one out:  ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on March 09, 2005, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 12:57:31 PM
Okay

Time to put a new one out:  ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"  ::) ::)
Goin' round in circles.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on March 09, 2005, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 12:57:31 PM
Okay

Time to put a new one out:  ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"  ::) ::)

Wandering around, lost. Could be mentally as well as physically.

:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Foothills Drifter on March 09, 2005, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on March 09, 2005, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 12:57:31 PM
Okay

Time to put a new one out:  ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"  ::) ::)

Wandering around, lost. Could be mentally as well as physically.

:D

AnnieLee

Howdy......
And all this time I thaught you liked me  :'(   ;)

Good shootin......
Vern... 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on March 09, 2005, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 09, 2005, 12:57:31 PM
Okay

Time to put a new one out:  ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"  ::) ::)

Wandering around, lost. Could be mentally as well as physically.

:D

AnnieLee


I think Annie gets this one, as it is both mental, and as physical.   ;D ;D

"Somebody stole his rudder"   Usually was refer'n to the poor cowpoke that had a wee bit too much of the sauce ::), and couldn't steer a straight course back to his home port. ::) ::) ;D ;D   (It might have been Trinity) ??? ::) ;D

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on March 09, 2005, 06:21:09 PM
 I beleive shoot Luke, means  shoot without hesitation or let someone else go.. Like in Billiards cards the Bull Elk.


HERE'S ONE for ya's....He found the cure.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 09, 2005, 10:34:09 PM
He's found the cure means he gave up the booze.  Back then they were always searchin' for the "Cure" fer drinkin.  Even if it meant attackin' a saloon with an ax.  (Cary Nation)

One of the popular "cures" of the time was called the water cure, you were put in basically a straight jacket and imersed up to your neck in ice water. :o :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 10, 2005, 04:14:41 PM
Well Del's cure at least doesn't require the application of a red hot wire!!!

How about:

Following the tongue
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 10, 2005, 07:52:25 PM
Headin' North with the herd, on the trackless plain they set the chuckwagon tongue at night by the North Star.   ;D

The red hot wire is for other ailments. :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 11, 2005, 01:49:10 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 10, 2005, 07:52:25 PM
Headin' North with the herd, on the trackless plain they set the chuckwagon tongue at night by the North Star.   ;D

The red hot wire is for other ailments. :o

Figured Del would get that one.   ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on March 11, 2005, 06:28:56 PM
 Your right Delmonico..........................here a easy one 'SPENDY'
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on March 12, 2005, 11:08:45 AM
  here's another


Squeezin' Lizzie
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 12, 2005, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on March 12, 2005, 11:08:45 AM
  here's another


Squeezin' Lizzie

Grabbin' and holdin' on to the saddle horn. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on March 15, 2005, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 12, 2005, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on March 12, 2005, 11:08:45 AM
  here's another


Squeezin' Lizzie

Grabbin' and holdin' on to the saddle horn. 

I can't say what I thought it might be.  :-[

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 15, 2005, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on March 15, 2005, 03:23:13 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on March 12, 2005, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on March 12, 2005, 11:08:45 AM
  here's another


Squeezin' Lizzie

Grabbin' and holdin' on to the saddle horn. 

I can't say what I thought it might be.  :-[

AnnieLee

You could've, but I know you'da just had to censor it. ::) ;D

And it was Lizzie, and not lizard, and squezzin', not shakin'   ::) ;D :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 16, 2005, 01:17:22 AM
Hey Del (or anyone)

Ever heard of:

Huckydummy
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on March 16, 2005, 04:27:58 AM
Russ T you are correct with Squezzin' Lizzie......... Never heard Hucky Dummy

In non reference to weapons how's about Rim fire and center fire, explain each?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 16, 2005, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on March 16, 2005, 04:27:58 AM
Russ T you are correct with Squezzin' Lizzie......... Never heard Hucky Dummy

In non reference to weapons how's about Rim fire and center fire, explain each?

Rim fire     ---   saddle with a single front chinch, also known as a Spanish rig.
Center fire ---    saddle with a single center chinch

Almost sent pictures of a .22 and a .38 spl.  Til I noticed the non-firearm part.   ::) ::)

Waitin' to hear from Del on Huckydummy.   :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 16, 2005, 06:44:08 PM
One of many types of rice puddin'.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 17, 2005, 03:25:07 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 16, 2005, 06:44:08 PM
One of many types of rice puddin'.
Figured you'd kow that one.  ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on March 17, 2005, 08:58:48 AM
Sunfishing-Has nothing to do with a hook, worm and line, although the one involved in it might be a wishin' they could go fishin'. ::) :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on March 17, 2005, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on March 17, 2005, 08:58:48 AM
Sunfishing-Has nothing to do with a hook, worm and line, although the one involved in it might be a wishin' they could go fishin'. ::) :D

Refers to a bronc that likes to roll, stickin' it feet in the air and showin' it's belly to the sun.   :o :o  If'n the cowpoke is still in the saddle, he'd probably wish he'd gone fishin'!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on March 27, 2005, 05:09:31 AM
musta of missed the sunfishing entry, been on too many of them types....Russ T, correct again.  They say you can tell what part of the country a cowboy hails from the rigging on his saddle and the crush of his hat. I have both type saddles but, prefer my old single center fired. 100000 miles on it still in good shape  if you rule out scratches and dings.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 09, 2005, 03:40:41 PM
Need ta see if ol' Russ T's still sharp 'nuff an' fast 'nuff ta answer these:

bay coyote

buck tie

hoolihan

Mormon iron
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 09, 2005, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 09, 2005, 03:40:41 PM
Need ta see if ol' Russ T's still sharp 'nuff an' fast 'nuff ta answer these:

bay coyote

buck tie

hoolihan

Morman iron


Hoolihan is a type of overhand rope throw, usually used in the ketch pen to ketch your morning transportation. By the Jigger Boss. Now a days we use it in the pasture and the pens when trying to ketch calves for doctoring without ridin' thru a group and boogerin' the whole dern bunch.

Morman Iron has my curiosity, it's either his hunting weapon or his running iron to change brands with
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 10, 2005, 05:44:24 PM
litl rooster's gonna have old Russ T green with envy ;D, 'cuz his "hoolihan" answer is rite as rain.  Milt hinkle , in the September 1963 issue of Frontier Times described it as follows:

"...a backhanded loop, for roping in a corral off the ground.  Mostly used for catching horses, for a right handed man, the loop was held beside the left leg on the ground,brought around to the right above your head, and turned loose in such a manner as not to scare the stock."

Gonna need a bit more work on "Mormon iron", howsomever.  Usta be a song ana TV series with anuther name fer "Morman iron".

Still lookin' fer meanin' of bay coyote an' buck tie (ya gonna like thisun).
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 11, 2005, 12:04:23 AM
Mormon iron were the pistols used by their "Avenging Angels"; appointed gunmen and killers to deal with gentiles.

In Culiacan Mexico they call the coyotes that live in the offshore reeds "Bay Coyotes".

Buck Ties refers to larger than normal railroad ties that are extra wide and have train signals attached to them.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 11, 2005, 12:11:14 PM
Thanks fer yore input, Griff.  Whut ya say mite also be keerect, but it ain't really whut I had in mind.

Mormon iron was a real common item in tha old west, and was sumthin from a animal.

Bay coyote mite a been a horse of a differnt color?  Think 'bout it.

Buck tie wernt no bow tie or 4inhand, but mighta caused a feller to feel all tied up. 

That help any? 

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 11, 2005, 01:12:19 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 11, 2005, 12:11:14 PM
Thanks fer yore input, Griff.  Whut ya say mite also be keerect, but it ain't really whut I had in mind.

Morman iron was a real common item in tha old west, and was sumthin from a animal.

Bay coyote mite a been a horse of a differnt color?  Think 'bout it.

Buck tie wernt no bow tie or 4inhand, but mighta caused a feller to feel all tied up. 

That help any? 



Sorry but we had our monthly match yesterday, and I didn't get here until just now.

Bay coyote    Dun horse with a Black stripe down his back

Gonna hafta think about the others.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 11, 2005, 01:50:14 PM
Dang, Russ T, was startin' to worry ya mighta joined them ghost riders in tha sky.  Ya get the kewpie fer yur bay dun answer.  Spectin' more from ya shortly.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 12, 2005, 06:00:58 PM
Still waitin' for some other brave soul to take a shot at:

Buck tie

and

Mormon iron

At least Griff wasn't 'fraid to try.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 13, 2005, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 12, 2005, 06:00:58 PM
Still waitin' for some other brave soul to take a shot at:

Buck tie

and

Mormon iron

At least Griff wasn't 'fraid to try.

I drawn' a blank on those two.  The only thing would be if Morman crickets are high in iron.  We have another good infestation startin' up out here in Nevada Territory. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 13, 2005, 02:36:03 PM
Seein' as how it just be the two of us, Russ T, I'll give you the answers - just don't tell no one else.

Mormon iron was another term for rawhide.

Buck tie  (Following is from the March 1964 issue of The West, True Stories of the Old West)

"The buck tie was very effective, and, if you doubt it, try it out on a friend.  This method of tying a prisoner in the Old West was simple.  The wrists would be lashed together, the hands and arms passed over the knees, and then a rifle would be shoved between the elbows and the knees.  The person so tied would be sitting down, and the harder he strained against the rifle and rope, the tighter they would get.  Few men ever broke loose."

Ever heard of a different term for that "restraint" method?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 13, 2005, 04:06:45 PM
I haven't heard of another term for it, but I think I've seen it used somewhere.  ??? ???   Just placed myself in the assumed position ::), and at my age, it would hurt just to be tied that way! :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 13, 2005, 04:09:24 PM
Hogtied?.............Buck 8) ::) :-\
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 13, 2005, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on April 13, 2005, 04:09:24 PM
Hogtied?.............Buck 8) ::) :-\

PETA would be after ya Buck, if'n ya tied a hog like that!  ::) ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 13, 2005, 04:13:43 PM
Let's try "Goose drownder"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 13, 2005, 04:55:10 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 13, 2005, 07:43:53 PM
That there goose drownder anything like a frog strangler?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 13, 2005, 08:39:11 PM
Now I know what a Frog Strangler is........Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 14, 2005, 10:30:47 AM
What does Jasper mean?  ???

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 14, 2005, 11:41:53 AM
Goose drownder is a heavy down pour, so I guess it might strangle a frog.

I think Jasper was a term for a somewhat errant cowpoke.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 14, 2005, 05:40:04 PM
Jasper:  Don't know that errant would be the adjective I'd use, more likely to be eccentric, tho!  Smart-a__ed, joker, or other some such attitudinal thang.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 15, 2005, 03:42:40 AM
I agree with Griff's latter statement on Jasper>>>> Smart-a__ed,joker....Refer to Lonesomedove
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 16, 2005, 08:19:09 PM
Hey Capt.

Could Morman iron refer to rawhide?   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 17, 2005, 03:34:55 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on April 16, 2005, 08:19:09 PM
Hey Capt.

Could Morman iron refer to rawhide?   ??? ??? ???

Russ T,

Check out Reply #407 on this thread ::).

Hamp
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 17, 2005, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 17, 2005, 03:34:55 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on April 16, 2005, 08:19:09 PM
Hey Capt.

Could Morman iron refer to rawhide?   ??? ??? ???

Russ T,

Check out Reply #407 on this thread ::).

Hamp

Sorry, that's what I get for posting in my sleep. ::) ::) :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 17, 2005, 02:06:46 PM
Nice to know I'm not the only one around here with that "oldtimer's" affliction. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 17, 2005, 02:25:05 PM
Cap'n. Cox, truth be known, I'll bet MANY of us share that "disease!" ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 17, 2005, 02:57:10 PM
can't remember _ _ _ _



yep, got it here also
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 18, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
I got one: air-tights.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 18, 2005, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on April 18, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
I got one: air-tights.

Slim

That one's easy, my Great Grandmother always refered to cans as air-tights.  :o ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 18, 2005, 12:28:17 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on April 18, 2005, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on April 18, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
I got one: air-tights.

Slim

That one's easy, my Great Grandmother always refered to cans as air-tights.  :o ;D
Good job, Russ T.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 18, 2005, 01:38:20 PM
Some of you folks east and north of my home state may not be familiar with these contraptions, but here goes anyway.

pear burner
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on April 18, 2005, 10:11:52 PM
A blow torch to burn the spines off the prickley-pear cactus so you can feed them to cattle. :o

Saddle Wolf.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 19, 2005, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on April 18, 2005, 10:11:52 PM
A blow torch to burn the spines off the prickley-pear cactus so you can feed them to cattle. :o

Saddle Wolf.

Del,  you're probably the best read coosie I've run into, and your answer is correct.  I have my grandpa's old pear burner (copper tank with patent date of '98 cast in one end - right certain that weren't 1998).  Has a tire valve stem for pressurizing the tank with a tire pump, and an old plumbing type gate valve to regulate the flame.  Pretty sure it was fueled with kerosene (or "coal oil" as he called it).

Seein' as how you seem to be the resident cookin' authority, just wonderin' if you've ever prepared any "pear" for human consumption.  I've made some pretty good jelly from the red fruits that develop every summer, but nothing beyond that.  This site http://www.desertusa.com/magdec97/eating/nopales.html has some recipes that look interesting.

Don't have the foggiest notion what your Saddle Wolf is.  Better post it again so it doesn't get lost here.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on April 19, 2005, 10:58:28 PM
I ain't never et no cactus but a couple a the fruits a time or two.  But would be glad to give it a try.

Guess if you want to understand cowboys and the west ya just got ta study a bit.


Try this for a day or two 

Saddle Wolf:

Can't rember exactly where I read the def, but seen it used in old timers accounts.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 19, 2005, 11:15:54 PM
Cap, I actually had some prickly pears growin' in a planter at a building complex I was livin' at a few years back, OUTDOORS. this is in the Buckeye state. Thought the flowers were really nice, but the 24 hours only was a bummer. Didn't get to gather pears enough to do jelly though............Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 20, 2005, 07:34:21 AM
Back when I was a kid, I seem to 'member some of the ol' (gad ain't that term relative now), hands referring to ol-time cowboys that they knew that didn't have regular work, but, cowboyed when, where they could, i.e. traveled from one ranch to another in search of a steady gig, as:  Saddle Wolves.  Might recollect this wrong, but... Seems there some other things they called 'em also, but ain't fit for public repeatin'! ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2005, 12:03:10 PM
Here's one: madstone

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 20, 2005, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2005, 12:03:10 PM
Here's one: madstone

Slim

You sneaky devil - puttin' the answer in a differnt post. :-X  Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2005, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 20, 2005, 01:56:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2005, 12:03:10 PM
Here's one: madstone

Slim

You sneaky devil - puttin' the answer in a differnt post. :-X  Interesting stuff.
;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on April 21, 2005, 09:08:38 AM
Saddle Wolf:  Piles or Hemorhoids, was that what you were thinkin' Grif?  common with cowboys and cavalrymen. :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 21, 2005, 09:37:51 AM
Nope, Saddle tramps was more like it.   Our coosie callled ol time saddle tramps wolves, as they'd eat anything and everything that didn't move, or moved slower than they did.  Oh well, Spanish California was a different place.  I don't know how long she'd been there, but her husband was probably in his eighties, and the 5th generation to work that same ranch. (this was in the 1960s)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 22, 2005, 08:57:12 AM
Two more:
canard
Methodist feet


Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 22, 2005, 09:10:56 AM
canard= falsehood or funnily untrue 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on April 22, 2005, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on April 22, 2005, 09:10:56 AM
canard= falsehood or funnily untrue 8)
You can move to the head of the class, Buck.  ;)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 22, 2005, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on April 22, 2005, 08:57:12 AM

Methodist feet[/b]

Slim

How about 'unable to dance'.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 22, 2005, 01:11:03 PM
Always thought that was what you said about a Baptist who liked to dance. :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 23, 2005, 08:44:52 AM
swallow and get out trough

prairie lawyer

Chase That Rabbit
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 23, 2005, 10:10:33 AM
swallow and get out trough  --  Cowboy version of a fast food resturant

prairie lawyer                       --  A coyote, probably because it seems to like to hear it'self yell

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 23, 2005, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on April 23, 2005, 10:10:33 AM
swallow and get out trough  --  Cowboy version of a fast food resturant

prairie lawyer                       --  A coyote, probably because it seems to like to hear it'self yell



Two outta three ain't bad, Russ T. ;)  Doncha want ta go fer tha gold and tell us what Chase That Rabbit is? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 24, 2005, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 23, 2005, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on April 23, 2005, 10:10:33 AM
swallow and get out trough  --  Cowboy version of a fast food resturant

prairie lawyer                       --  A coyote, probably because it seems to like to hear it'self yell



Two outta three ain't bad, Russ T. ;)  Doncha want ta go fer tha gold and tell us what Chase That Rabbit is? ;D

Thinkin' on it, but it is a rather Harey question.   ::) ::)      Couldn't resiste.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 24, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
 I love this thread, you pards are good..... Try this one I xpect Griff will know right away


                      "cricket"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 24, 2005, 11:40:40 AM
Chase that Rabbit - is kinda like "go for the gold"  mixed in with "tote that mule", a "rut" kinda thaing.  I almost hate to use the word, but... getting a "job"!
Cricket - noise maker to emulate a wounded as a coyote call.  Jes a teasin ya with more alternatives.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 24, 2005, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: Griff on April 24, 2005, 11:40:40 AM
Chase that Rabbit - is kinda like "go for the gold"  mixed in with "tote that mule", a "rut" kinda thaing.  I almost hate to use the word, but... getting a "job"!
Cricket - noise maker to emulate a wounded as a coyote call.  Jes a teasin ya with more alternatives.

Thanks, Griff.

It is also part of a call for a cowboy dance with the same name:

Girl after boy!
Chase that rabbit, chase that coon,
Chase that baboon 'round the room!
Reverse!

Chase that rabbit, chase that squirrel,
Chase that pretty girl 'round the world!
Promenade!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 24, 2005, 12:51:18 PM
pecos - as in "to pecos someone"

"a corpse 'an cartridge occasion"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on April 24, 2005, 01:19:21 PM
For the second one, a shootout..........Buck 8) ??? ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 24, 2005, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: Griff on April 24, 2005, 11:40:40 AM
Chase that Rabbit - is kinda like "go for the gold" mixed in with "tote that mule", a "rut" kinda thaing. I almost hate to use the word, but... getting a "job"!
Cricket - noise maker to emulate a wounded as a coyote call. Jes a teasin ya with more alternatives.


No Griff not what I was looking for, I have a feeling you own one though....


PECOS.....  I "googled"  that, it is a name.....and am going to pass on Cowboy terms and words for 200 Alex
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on April 24, 2005, 05:29:15 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on April 24, 2005, 01:19:21 PM
For the second one, a shootout..........Buck 8) ??? ::)


Shore 'nuff, Buck.

To "pecos" someone is to shoot//kill that someone and roll or toss his body into a river.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 24, 2005, 05:41:25 PM
yep, got a couple.  Have picture will post, For those not in the know, it's the small roller in the center of the bit.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on April 24, 2005, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: Griff on April 24, 2005, 05:41:25 PM
yep, got a couple.  Have picture will post, For those not in the know, it's the small roller in the center of the bit.

Griff
You forgot to tell everyone it was so the horse could entertain itself and the cowboy by making chirping noises with its tongue.   ;D ::) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 24, 2005, 09:39:09 PM
Wuz goin to, then thought I'd let someone else 'av that pleasure.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on April 24, 2005, 10:04:25 PM
Been scrollin' thru the post and found that Slim still ain't got anwered on this'un:  Beat the devil around the stump - not taking responsibility for your actions.
I woulda guess another phrase for dancin' without a proper partner.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on April 30, 2005, 09:15:25 PM
 Griff that sure is a fancy bit....I have a passion for learning the vaquero tradition to training...Everyday my horses teach me something. Recently I read about how some of the small SW towns  would have horse tied all along the streets,(while the cowboys washed down the dust) and it sounded as if the crickets had invaded town..  The first time I heard a cricket was in a mule.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 16, 2005, 03:22:20 PM
whittle whanging

mill-rider

"ain't got no feelin' in his trigger finger"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on May 16, 2005, 06:20:14 PM
Whew, thought this'un mighta died.
I'm justa guessin' here:
Whittle whanging:  idling the time away
Mill-rider:  person who shovels feed off the feed wagon in the fields
"ain't got no feelin' in his trigger finger":  could be said of John W. Harding, could kill at the drop of a hat, quick to anger, over reacts.
Been learning a bunch and really enjoying this thread.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 16, 2005, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 16, 2005, 03:22:20 PM
whittle whanging

mill-rider

"ain't got no feelin' in his trigger finger"



mill-rider possibly the fellas who rode from wind mill to wind mill to check and maintain them, to keep water to the livestock....aka "the miller" or "the windmiller"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 16, 2005, 08:12:44 PM
Is a litl rooster anything like a bantum or banty rooster? ;D  Well now, litl rooster can crow a bit, cuz he got the mill rider thing right.

Any takers for whittle whanging and "ain't got no feelin' in his trigger finger"?

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 16, 2005, 08:42:40 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 16, 2005, 08:12:44 PM
Is a litl rooster anything like a bantum or banty rooster? ;D  Well now, litl rooster can crow a bit, cuz he got the mill rider thing right.





Yep pa always said,  I was like a banty in the hen house....
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Whiptail Moses on May 16, 2005, 08:56:29 PM
no feeling in his trigger finger -- impotent?  or remorseless?

whittle wanging -- BS'ing?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 06:30:46 AM
Quote from: Whiptail Moses on May 16, 2005, 08:56:29 PM
no feeling in his trigger finger -- impotent?  or remorseless?

whittle wanging -- BS'ing?

Got the first one right, Whiptail, with your "remorseless" (or no conscience).

Still need someone to come up with the right answer for whittle whanging.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on May 17, 2005, 09:58:16 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 06:30:46 AM
Quote from: Whiptail Moses on May 16, 2005, 08:56:29 PM
no feeling in his trigger finger -- impotent?  or remorseless?

whittle wanging -- BS'ing?

Got the first one right, Whiptail, with your "remorseless" (or no conscience).

Still need someone to come up with the right answer for whittle whanging.

Whittle whanging  -   quarreling or fightinging
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on May 17, 2005, 09:58:16 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 06:30:46 AM
Quote from: Whiptail Moses on May 16, 2005, 08:56:29 PM
no feeling in his trigger finger -- impotent?  or remorseless?

whittle wanging -- BS'ing?

Got the first one right, Whiptail, with your "remorseless" (or no conscience).

Still need someone to come up with the right answer for whittle whanging.

Whittle whanging  -   quarreling or fightinging

Shore ain't gonna whittle whang with ole Russ T 'bout his answer- he's right.   
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 17, 2005, 01:45:27 PM
Had a fella in at work last night, a well known rancher here in the state.  He stops up and chews the fat when he's in the store.  Well he had a question last night, and I searched out the answer and E-Mailed it to him. 

Last week they had a 100 and some kids out to his ranch and one 4th grader asked him why they call it a tackroom, well cause thats where they keep the tack.  So the question now is why do the call it tack? ;D  Anybody got any Ideas? ::) :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on May 17, 2005, 02:48:20 PM
 ;D ;D Hey, isn't 10 a little on the old side to respond to every answer with "why....".  It's like my grandpappy said:  "Cause I said so, son"!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 06:24:17 PM
Tack is short for tackle - items used in a particular activity.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 17, 2005, 07:39:10 PM
Not what I came up with in my Dictionary.  From middle English about 1300 Ad.  Tak, to fasten.   Tack as in horse gear and tack as in thumb tacks came from the same roots, most likey tackle as in fishing tackle came frome the same root,  cause you want to fasten on to the fish.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 19, 2005, 03:34:57 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 17, 2005, 07:39:10 PM
Not what I came up with in my Dictionary. From middle English about 1300 Ad. Tak, to fasten. Tack as in horse gear and tack as in thumb tacks came from the same roots, most likey tackle as in fishing tackle came frome the same root, cause you want to fasten on to the fish.
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 17, 2005, 06:24:17 PM
Tack is short for tackle - items used in a particular activity.

the best one yet
Quote from: Griff on May 17, 2005, 02:48:20 PM
;D ;D Hey, isn't 10 a little on the old side to respond to every answer with "why....". It's like my grandpappy said: "Cause I said so, son"!

I collect old cowboy tack and have so long before I was interested in CAS, I always figureed it was a term brought here by the English like some of our other horse traditions.

  Have you all ever notice how many of our words and terms come from other countries such as Mexico, the European countries? Not that cowboys are lazy, but why waste alot of effort in learning new words.. exsample vaquero=buckeroo... Listening to a real ranch cowboy converse is interesting, if you really listen you will understand them. However the sentences and words may be well, to quote Baxter Black, a little "cowy".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 19, 2005, 09:58:41 AM
What is a "carsmith"? I found it in the 1880 census.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
I believe it is someone who repairs or builds RR cars.   Today the RR calls that job a Car Man, but in Jolly Ol' England a Car Man was someone who worked with 2 wheels carts trasporting goods. 

Might be someone like that in my ancestors afore they flipped the King the bird and left. ;D

Delmoico aka Glen Carman (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 20, 2005, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
I believe it is someone who repairs or builds RR cars.   Today the RR calls that job a Car Man, but in Jolly Ol' England a Car Man was someone who worked with 2 wheels carts trasporting goods. 

Might be someone like that in my ancestors afore they flipped the King the bird and left. ;D

Delmoico aka Glen Carman (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
That's what I figgered it was.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 20, 2005, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
I believe it is someone who repairs or builds RR cars. Today the RR calls that job a Car Man, but in Jolly Ol' England a Car Man was someone who worked with 2 wheels carts trasporting goods.

Might be someone like that in my ancestors afore they flipped the King the bird and left. ;D

Delmoico aka Glen Carman (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)

Delmonico I believe the fellas that work on RR cars were called "car knockers," My grand dad is dead so I can't back that up.

adding the word Smith would tend make you believe they(carsmiths) built or repaied them.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 20, 2005, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
Delmoico aka Glen (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 23, 2005, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on May 20, 2005, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
Delmoico aka Glen (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
???
Carmen

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 23, 2005, 01:55:19 PM
On the first day of 2nd grade we had name tags on the assigned desk.  Mine said Glenn Carmen,  "Teacher you misspelled my name."  "Which one?"  "Both." ;D ;D  I don't think she ever liked me.  Course they often misspell my middle one as Du Wayne not Duane. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 23, 2005, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 23, 2005, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on May 20, 2005, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
Delmoico aka Glen (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
???
Carmen

Slim

Slim I was tring to have fun with it....You keep mentioning his last name he'll waltz in here in a flowered skirt and basket of fruit on his head....singing Daeoooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on May 24, 2005, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
Delmoico aka Glen Carman (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)

No wonder even you misspell your own alias.  ::)

By the way Carmen is also a lady name in Portugal.

Carmen Miranda was Portuguese.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 24, 2005, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on May 23, 2005, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 23, 2005, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on May 20, 2005, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 19, 2005, 12:42:47 PM
Delmoico aka Glen (often misspelled as a Spanish Ladies name. ;D)
???
Carmen

Slim

Slim I was tring to have fun with it....You keep mentioning his last name he'll waltz in here in a flowered skirt and basket of fruit on his head....singing Daeoooooooooooooooooo
:o ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 24, 2005, 02:13:53 PM
bottomin' the bottle

buffalo juice
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 24, 2005, 03:29:57 PM
bottomin' the bottle - drinking it dry?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 24, 2005, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 24, 2005, 03:29:57 PM
bottomin' the bottle - drinking it dry?

Slim


Bottomin' the bottle's got nuthin to do with drinkin', 'cause the bottle in question's already empty.  :o

Don't ferget buffalo juice.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 25, 2005, 04:02:47 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 24, 2005, 02:13:53 PM
bottomin' the bottle


Eye glasses?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Judy on May 25, 2005, 06:04:58 AM
Nailed to the counte- A proven lie

Oh-be-joyful - Liquor

Hot as a whorehouse on nickel night- Dammed hot

Flannel Mouth- Smooth fancy talker or saleperson


Pray tell......Do I win a prize if all my answers or right?....I would be happy if someone would just answer one of my post to let me know if someone was out there!! Ha, ha.
Millinery Judy



                                                                                                               










Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 06:18:15 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on May 25, 2005, 04:02:47 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 24, 2005, 02:13:53 PM
bottomin' the bottle


Eye glasses?

Not eyeglasses.  Gotta think marksmanship.

Also, still need an answer for buffalo juice.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 06:29:32 AM
Quote from: MillineryJudy on May 25, 2005, 06:04:58 AM
Nailed to the counte- A proven lie

Oh-be-joyful - Liquor

Hot as a whorehouse on nickel night- Dammed hot

Flannel Mouth- Smooth fancy talker or saleperson


Pray tell......Do I win a prize if all my answers or right?....I would be happy if someone would just answer one of my post to let me know if someone was out there!! Ha, ha.

Millinery Judy




Dang, MJ, you went all the way back to the first page of this thread to dredge those up, and they done been answered ;D.  Why dontcha give the newest ones a shot?

Hamp
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on May 25, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Hitting the bottle with a shot and leaving nothing but the bottom?.....Buck 8) ::) ??? ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 25, 2005, 08:59:16 AM
buffalo juice - rendered buffalo suet?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on May 25, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Hitting the bottle with a shot and leaving nothing but the bottom?.....Buck 8) ::) ??? ;)

You're only about 180 degrees out, Buck.  Here's how "bottomin' the bottle" worked.  You place an empty uncorked/uncapped whisky bottle on an approximately shoulder high flat surface about 15' (or if you're really good with a handgun or really optimistic, make it 20' ;D) from wlhere you're going to shoot.  The bottle is positioned on it's side (remember spin the bottle?) in such a manner that you will be attempting to shoot through the open end of the neck and take out the bottom of the bottle without shattering the neck and body of the bottle.   To add some contemporary guidance, make sure you are shooting into a safe backstop, and wear eye and hearing protection if you attempt this, and be sure to clean up the broken glass :o.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 25, 2005, 08:59:16 AM
buffalo juice - rendered buffalo suet?

Slim


Fraid not, Slim.  It is liquid found in the buffalo's paunch "cleared by the gall, that is prized for drinking, it is cool and tasteless".  Understand that Native Americans and buffalo hunters both utilized this source of liquid refreshment when other water sources were unavailable.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:42:15 PM
You should all know what two bits, four bits, six bits, etc. are.  What is a "short bit"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:52:32 PM
A preferred piece of buffalo meat was called "Indian Bread", and was eaten raw by both Native Americans and buffalo hunters, but didn't taste like raw meat.  It allegedly tasted much like freshly baked bread.  Where on the buffalo carcass was this desirable cut located?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on May 25, 2005, 06:23:49 PM
Cap, With my eyes, I don't think I'll be attempting to shoot the bottom out through the neck, unless it's a mayonaise bottle!........Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 25, 2005, 07:11:49 PM
Pancreas
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 07:37:01 PM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 25, 2005, 07:11:49 PM
Pancreas

It's not an organ, Del.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on May 25, 2005, 07:39:21 PM
Thats right it's a strip of tissue down the back.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:42:15 PM
You should all know what two bits, four bits, six bits, etc. are.  What is a "short bit"?
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:52:32 PM
A preferred piece of buffalo meat was called "Indian Bread", and was eaten raw by both Native Americans and buffalo hunters, but didn't taste like raw meat.  It allegedly tasted much like freshly baked bread.  Where on the buffalo carcass was this desirable cut located?

Don't want these to get lost.  Still need answers for both.

Hamp
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: HandTub on May 25, 2005, 10:39:50 PM
i'll take a gander and say the tongue
  Hamp
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 26, 2005, 03:17:12 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 07:42:27 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:42:15 PM
You should all know what two bits, four bits, six bits, etc. are.  What is a "short bit"?
A DIME?


Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:52:32 PM
A preferred piece of buffalo meat was called "Indian Bread", and was eaten raw by both Native Americans and buffalo hunters, but didn't taste like raw meat.  It allegedly tasted much like freshly baked bread.  Where on the buffalo carcass was this desirable cut located?
I believe it is the backstraps or Loins, is this also called the "sweetmeat" I also believe in the Lonesome dove Trilogoy, Deadman's walk, there  is a reference to it.

Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on May 25, 2005, 08:35:20 AM
Hitting the bottle with a shot and leaving nothing but the bottom?.....Buck 8) ::) ??? ;)

You're only about 180 degrees out, Buck.  Here's how "bottomin' the bottle" worked.  You place an empty uncorked/uncapped whisky bottle on an approximately shoulder high flat surface about 15' (or if you're really good with a handgun or really optimistic, make it 20' ;D) from wlhere you're going to shoot.  The bottle is positioned on it's side (remember spin the bottle?) in such a manner that you will be attempting to shoot through the open end of the neck and take out the bottom of the bottle without shattering the neck and body of the bottle.   To add some contemporary guidance, make sure you are shooting into a safe backstop, and wear eye and hearing protection if you attempt this, and be sure to clean up the broken glass :o.

I'm with Buck (eyes) on that one but what the heck I'll try it this weekend

Don't want these to get lost.  Still need answers for both.

Hamp
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 26, 2005, 06:33:46 AM
Quote from: Delmonico on May 25, 2005, 07:39:21 PM
Thats right it's a strip of tissue down the back.

You never cease to amaze me, Del ???.  Here's what I had:

"The meat was located under the hide and along the backbone from shoulder to the last rib.  It was made up of very thin layers of what was called 'dry fat' and very lean meat that wasn't the least bit greasy.  The meat was either eaten by itself or used as you would use bread."

litl rooster was right on with his answer to "You should all know what two bits, four bits, six bits, etc. are.  What is a "short bit"?

A DIME?


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 09:34:13 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 25, 2005, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 25, 2005, 08:59:16 AM
buffalo juice - rendered buffalo suet?

Slim


Fraid not, Slim.  It is liquid found in the buffalo's paunch "cleared by the gall, that is prized for drinking, it is cool and tasteless".  Understand that Native Americans and buffalo hunters both utilized this source of liquid refreshment when other water sources were unavailable.
Now that ya said it, I remember I reference to it the the Buffalo Hunters book I read about a month back.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
I came upon this term in a book I'm reading. Yes, I can read.  ::)
Galvanized Yankees -
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 26, 2005, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
I came upon this term in a book I'm reading. Yes, I can read.  ::)
Galvanized Yankees -

I know, but I ain't tellin' (yet) :P
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 26, 2005, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
I came upon this term in a book I'm reading. Yes, I can read.  ::)
Galvanized Yankees -

I know, but I ain't tellin' (yet) :P
Okay.  ;)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 26, 2005, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on May 26, 2005, 09:51:33 AM
I came upon this term in a book I'm reading. Yes, I can read. ::)
Galvanized Yankees -

I live in civil war history country but have never heard that term other than Damn Yankee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 12:58:02 PM
droop-eyed calves

(and don't forget Slim's Galvanized Yankees)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on May 30, 2005, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 12:58:02 PM
droop-eyed calves


Calves that have had the eyelid muscles cut so they can't see to follow their mom.  Done to 'em by rustlers mainly.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on May 30, 2005, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 12:58:02 PM
droop-eyed calves


Calves that have had the eyelid muscles cut so they can't see to follow their mom.  Done to 'em by rustlers mainly.

Good answer, Russ T.  We musta gone to different schools together :D.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on May 30, 2005, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on May 30, 2005, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 12:58:02 PM
droop-eyed calves


Calves that have had the eyelid muscles cut so they can’t see to follow their mom.  Done to ‘em by rustlers mainly.



This is kind a oxy moron statement, I understand now were talking calves and rustlers...Any self respectin' cowpoke knows if ya got the calf, on the end of your twine, the cow will follow. This being easier than leading the cow and have the calf follow.

So what is a lopped eared calf...This is kind of a cracker cowboy term
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

and litl rooster's "So what is a lopped eared calf...This is kind of a cracker cowboy term" is still up for grabs.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 01, 2005, 04:17:23 PM
Galvanized Yankees
http://www.historic-america.com/galv.html

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 01, 2005, 06:28:15 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 30, 2005, 12:58:02 PM


(and don't forget Slim's Galvanized Yankees)



Okay I'm a damn Yankee and had to cheat and look it up on Google...Members of the 34th Miss. Inf. that were captured at Lookout Mt. Tn.

Hauled off to prison in Il. then recruited to go west and fight the Indians.


Southern Cowboys call the exotic cattle Bramha's especially,Lop eared. Because of there long drooping ears. When you ride thru a heard with a few in the cold wet season, checking health, a inexperianced cowboy might think they are sick.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?


Good info on the "lop eared" line.  Gotta remember that one.

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 02, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?



Is this one also known as the 'Jingler"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 02, 2005, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 02, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?



Is this one also known as the 'Jingler"?

Don't know 'bout "Jingler", but the "Horse Puller" I'm referring to was a cowboy who traveled with livestock on a train.  Also called a "Bull Nurse".
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 03, 2005, 03:25:26 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 02, 2005, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 02, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?



Is this one also known as the 'Jingler"?

Don't know 'bout "Jingler", but the "Horse Puller" I'm referring to was a cowboy who traveled with livestock on a train.  Also called a "Bull Nurse".


Nope that's not where I was going.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 03, 2005, 06:39:21 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 03, 2005, 03:25:26 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 02, 2005, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 02, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?





Is this one also known as the 'Jingler"?

Don't know 'bout "Jingler", but the "Horse Puller" I'm referring to was a cowboy who traveled with livestock on a train.  Also called a "Bull Nurse".


Nope that's not where I was going.

So what's a jingler?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on June 03, 2005, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 03, 2005, 06:39:21 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 03, 2005, 03:25:26 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 02, 2005, 06:18:49 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 02, 2005, 03:35:39 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 01, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on May 31, 2005, 01:09:17 PM
horse puller

This one gotcha buffaloed?





Is this one also known as the 'Jingler"?

Don't know 'bout "Jingler", but the "Horse Puller" I'm referring to was a cowboy who traveled with livestock on a train.  Also called a "Bull Nurse".


Nope that's not where I was going.

So what's a jingler?

A horse wrangler.   ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 03, 2005, 07:27:58 PM
Russ T is right, the Jingler kept the Remuda together and pulled them along on the big cattle drives..Called the Jingler caus of the the Jingle bobs on his spurs
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 10, 2005, 05:11:25 PM
What is the origin of the Native American greeting "How"?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 11, 2005, 10:48:18 PM
What is "Driving the Nail" ?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 12, 2005, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 11, 2005, 10:48:18 PM
What is "Driving the Nail" ?

It's a term with origins of this part of the country, proven rifle marksmanship, still used among the "smoke pole' shooters..

Still tring to find "HOW"...where is Russ T, he probably already knows ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 12, 2005, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 12, 2005, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 11, 2005, 10:48:18 PM
What is "Driving the Nail" ?

It's a term with origins of this part of the country, proven rifle marksmanship, still used among the "smoke pole' shooters..

Still tring to find "HOW"...where is Russ T, he probably already knows ;D

Yep, he's probly out drivin' nails right now.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 13, 2005, 05:46:15 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 12, 2005, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 11, 2005, 10:48:18 PM
What is "Driving the Nail" ?

It's a term with origins of this part of the country, proven rifle marksmanship, still used among the "smoke pole' shooters..

Still tring to find "HOW"...where is Russ T, he probably already knows ;D

Here's one explanation I found: 

"The Indians got this greeting from the cowboy's use of "Howdy.  Up to that time the Indian had no word of greeting but greeted friends with sign language."

You tell me if you think it is valid (I don't, but I think it is kinda funny.  I'll share what appears to be the correct answer if we get no other guesses.)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 16, 2005, 03:22:45 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 13, 2005, 05:46:15 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on June 12, 2005, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 11, 2005, 10:48:18 PM
What is "Driving the Nail" ?

It's a term with origins of this part of the country, proven rifle marksmanship, still used among the "smoke pole' shooters..

Still tring to find "HOW"...where is Russ T, he probably already knows ;D

Here's one explanation I found: 

"The Indians got this greeting from the cowboy's use of "Howdy.  Up to that time the Indian had no word of greeting but greeted friends with sign language."

You tell me if you think it is valid (I don't, but I think it is kinda funny.  I'll share what appears to be the correct answer if we get no other guesses.)


Capt. I scouted for a couple outing here , and can't find anything to disagree or back it up.  I've said before that alot of the "cowboy" words come from our Mexican counterparts/Vaquero friends.

If  I was going to just guess, I would have said it origonated in Hollywood.>>>>>lr
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 16, 2005, 08:24:43 AM
Can always count on litl rooster to give it the old college try.  Best answer I've been able to come up with is at http://www.native-languages.org/iaq16.htm (http://www.native-languages.org/iaq16.htm).  'Course old Russ T's probly gonna come up with sumthin better ;D.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on June 16, 2005, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 16, 2005, 08:24:43 AM
Can always count on litl rooster to give it the old college try.  Best answer I've been able to come up with is at http://www.native-languages.org/iaq16.htm (http://www.native-languages.org/iaq16.htm).  'Course old Russ T's probly gonna come up with sumthin better ;D.

That explination sounds good to me!   :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 16, 2005, 12:00:55 PM
Interesting.  :)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 07:32:13 AM
Berdache
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on June 18, 2005, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 07:32:13 AM
Berdache

To be PC: a transgendered Indian? ???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Delmonico on June 18, 2005, 10:59:43 AM
Wintinke (sp) in Lakota, I think the Capts word is Cheynne.  There is some dispute as to if they are Hermamorphadite's or just men who did not want to be warriors and did womens work.  There is little evidence that they were true Homosexuals.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 12:24:47 PM
Wasn't one of tribe members in the movie Little Big Man a Berdache?

http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/b/b0197000.html


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 12:36:20 PM
Two Whoops and a Holler
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on June 19, 2005, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 12:36:20 PM
Two Whoops and a Holler

Just a little piece away.  (Short distance)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 19, 2005, 12:08:56 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on June 19, 2005, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 18, 2005, 12:36:20 PM
Two Whoops and a Holler

Just a little piece away.  (Short distance)

or "ain't far atall"
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 11:18:56 AM
Pullin my donkey's tail
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 20, 2005, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 11:18:56 AM
Pullin my donkey's tail
Is that like "pulling my leg"?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on June 20, 2005, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 11:18:56 AM
Pullin my donkey's tail
Is that like "pulling my leg"?

Slim

Yep, it is, but don't 'spect me ta be pullin' yore donkey's tail 'bout nuthin. ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on June 20, 2005, 04:20:55 PM
Cap, I've heard two whoops and a holler used differently. As in " I wouldn't give ya two whoops and a holler fer that one".........Buck 8) ::) :-\ :)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 05:13:24 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on June 20, 2005, 04:20:55 PM
Cap, I've heard two whoops and a holler used differently. As in " I wouldn't give ya two whoops and a holler fer that one".........Buck 8) ::) :-\ :)

Reckon we got us a dual purpose sayin' here.  Need more of those, 'cause for those of us what have trouble 'memberin', the fewer we have to 'member, the better off we are ;D.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on June 20, 2005, 05:30:38 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 20, 2005, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 20, 2005, 05:13:24 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on June 20, 2005, 04:20:55 PM
Cap, I've heard two whoops and a holler used differently. As in " I wouldn't give ya two whoops and a holler fer that one".........Buck 8) ::) :-\ :)

Reckon we got us a dual purpose sayin' here.  Need more of those, 'cause for those of us what have trouble 'memberin', the fewer we have to 'member, the better off we are ;D.



I agree ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 21, 2005, 12:25:50 PM
What were we talkin' 'bout?  ??? ::) ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 21, 2005, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on June 21, 2005, 12:25:50 PM
What were we talkin' 'bout?  ??? ::) ;D

Slim

Slim, you cute little feller, this here matter we been discussin' is fer growedup folks what kin 'cifer the ramblins of sum ol' pokes that been out in the sun fer too long.  Now, whutcher question agin? Caint seem ta 'member. ??? ;D  Musta not been relephant.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 21, 2005, 01:12:10 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 21, 2005, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on June 21, 2005, 12:25:50 PM
What were we talkin' 'bout?  ??? ::) ;D

Slim

Slim, you cute little feller, this here matter we been discussin' is fer growedup folks what kin 'cifer the ramblins of sum ol' pokes that been out in the sun fer too long.  Now, whutcher question agin? Caint seem ta 'member. ??? ;D  Musta not been relephant.
;D ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 24, 2005, 03:38:41 PM
all right pards, try this one then when you do I'll tell you the rest of the story.

YY

this would have been a writin message, warning maybe rote with a runnin iron
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 25, 2005, 10:38:52 AM
Am waiting with bated breath (just hope it ain't catfish bate) ::).
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on June 25, 2005, 12:51:37 PM
Cap, sodium earth-o-bait???..........Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 25, 2005, 05:15:26 PM
I'm too old to have to deal with this kind of suspense.  He better not just be making something up.  Besides, I'm outta bait.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 26, 2005, 04:03:12 PM
It's too wise......2Y's....As all of you know(if you don't you should) On the cattle trail, there is fella employeed to prepare the next camp and the Meals, the beloved (or not so beloved) Cook or Coosie. These fellas are not known for being real pleasureable...Not likely, They're  up at 4a.m. and go to bed past dark daily. Howeveron the range, there is a rule if you pass thru a cow camp, and it's unattended you can help yourself to leftover food. So as long as you clean up your dishes and mess.
  Their was 2 cowboys who passed a cow camp one time and found the wagon unattended, so helped themselves. After cleaning up thir mess they found the coosie extra trousers,. They decided to play a joke on the cook. The first one branded the letters WE8 the 2nd one branded ME2...This ticked the cook off and he caught up with them,one at a time. He tied them up and to a tree, and proceed the payback, while they were still wearing their trousers. The first one he Branded the YY when he caught the second one he branded his own brand .... 3YY. This is according to "Hot Irons; Heraldy of the Range" 1940 as told by S. Omar Barker.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on June 26, 2005, 04:23:16 PM
Litl Rooster, I got the YY but don't get the 3YY in the story although I had to lol.  Been off-line for a while {dad-blamed computers anyway!} >:(
But I got a couple I don't know the answer for.  Along the lines of two saying with one meaning.  As a kid I never understood {therefore I still don't!} the difference between:

Bric-a-Brac &
Nic nacks
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on June 26, 2005, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Griff on June 26, 2005, 04:23:16 PM
Bric-a-Brac &
Nic nacks

To quote George Carlin, they come as a set and you can't have one without the other.

I am not sure either other than he put his own brand on the 2nd man. It is supposely a true story.

Your imput has been missed Griff, I get computer problems and usually call in help. Most times it's something stupid that I caused.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 28, 2005, 10:26:26 AM
I don't know if this term is Old West, but it is a synonym of an Old West term.
Fop

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on June 28, 2005, 11:35:24 AM
Most of this word I've seen used in context referring to a dandy or flashy dresser with not much going in the head......Buck 8) ???
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on June 28, 2005, 03:15:50 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on June 28, 2005, 11:35:24 AM
Most of this word I've seen used in context referring to a dandy or flashy dresser with not much going in the head......Buck 8) ???
Bingo! Good job, Buck. It's another word for a Dandy.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on June 28, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
Ok, talked to a couple of other ol-timers and determined the following:

Bric-a-Brac:  That ginger-bready stuff around the perimeter of the house trim, i.e. Victorian homes.  Can also be inside around cabinets etc. 

nicnacks:  Stuff generally stored on shelves, cabinets, etc, in various rooms of the house; i.e. collectibles, or as my Mom said:  "Any that requires dusting!" :(

So, could bric-a brac be the stuff that Grandma was referring to when she pointed to her nicnack shelves? ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on June 28, 2005, 09:32:04 PM
bric-a-brac 
A noun
1  bric-a-brac, knickknack, nicknack, knickknackery, whatnot

   miscellaneous curios 


What about nicknack paddywack give the dog a bone? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on June 28, 2005, 09:42:17 PM
Just make sure it's a beef bone, the others splinter........Buck 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 14, 2005, 08:10:14 PM
Protection Man
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on July 15, 2005, 01:20:17 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 14, 2005, 08:10:14 PM
Protection Man

Another name for a range detective.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 15, 2005, 05:45:43 AM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on July 15, 2005, 01:20:17 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 14, 2005, 08:10:14 PM
Protection Man

Another name for a range detective.

Tom Horn, for example.  Nice goin', Russ T.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 15, 2005, 06:40:09 AM
Another "Protection Man"  http://www.carolyar.com/Biographies/ProtectionMan.htm .
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on July 15, 2005, 01:29:41 PM
In the back Killer Angels, Chamberlin's Sgt. uses the term "save the baby". Anyone know what that refers to?

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 15, 2005, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on July 15, 2005, 01:29:41 PM
In the back Killer Angels, Chamberlin's Sgt. uses the term "save the baby". Anyone know what that refers to?

Slim

In what context was it used?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on July 15, 2005, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 15, 2005, 01:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on July 15, 2005, 01:29:41 PM
In the back Killer Angels, Chamberlin's Sgt. uses the term "save the baby". Anyone know what that refers to?

Slim

In what context was it used?
Sorry, typo. :-[  I corrected it. He said it after he had been shot in the armpit. I think it might be something he wanted to ingest. Liquor, etc. BTW, the Sgt. was Irish.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 24, 2005, 07:50:04 PM
cut the pain

tomfuller

sun balling
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on July 25, 2005, 10:23:26 AM
cut the pain - to take a pain reliever such as whiskey, morphine, etc.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 25, 2005, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on July 25, 2005, 10:23:26 AM
cut the pain - to take a pain reliever such as whiskey, morphine, etc.

Slim


Real close, Slim.  If an early settler or cowboy didn't have/couldn't get medicine (home remedy or the real thing) to relieve his pain, he would get the axe from the woodpile and put it under his bed.  He might also use a knife or anything that had a sharp edge that would "cut" the pain.  Probably nothing more than a simple form of self hypnosis that might actually work if you really believe strongly enough that it will.

Now then,  how about:

tomfuller

sun balling
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on July 31, 2005, 03:01:53 PM
tomfuller = ash cakes
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on July 31, 2005, 03:12:45 PM
snow balling ;D: Well, it might be cheatin' but under Google, I came up with a condition where the sun warms up snow under the surface and allows the wind or gravity to blow the upper layer into snow balls or the beginnings of an avalanche.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on July 31, 2005, 05:58:03 PM
Well now, Griff, seein' as how its just you an me here, I'll tell you what I have on those.

Tomfuller, possibly from the Choctaw  "Ta-FU-la", was something like hominy with bits of meat thrown in.  Was served in most eating places, and on cattle drives.  Was supposedly cheap, filling, and tasted good.

The other word is actually "sun balling", a term for a ranch hand who was neglecting his work and not carrying his share of the load.  It was based on the fact that a lazy man would be seeking the shade at every opportunity and it was suspected that he never worked up a sweat.  You were telling him he was afraid of the sun, a minor thing when there were lots more dangers a man could face every day working on a ranch.

Thanks for playing trhe game.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on July 31, 2005, 08:45:30 PM
I've seen several recipes for "ash cakes" and do include all kinds of things.  My grandma used hominy and meat in hers, (when she could get hominy out in CA).
And I love playing the game, I've learned at lot in reading through all these.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   
QuoteIn order to provide meat for the families of their villages, the Ciboleros made hunting trips through the valleys and mountains of Eastern New Mexico, following the buffalo over to the Llano Estacado of Western Texas. These hunts usually occurred during October, after the crops had been harvested, and the weather was still mild. Also, the buffalo hides were in prime condition that time of the year.Capturing the buffalo was accomplished at times by trapping them in long, deep trenches where they would use their spear to kill them. Other times they would ride their ponies along side of the buffalo, spearing them "on the run."
http://www.over-land.com/st_cibolero.html
;D  ;)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   

Guess you realize you're both in detention hall for a week, and you also have to run laps.  :D

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   

Guess you realize you're both in detention hall for a week, and you also have to run laps.  :D



Capt.

If'n I gotta run laps, it might be a week before I get to the detention hall!!  (http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/happy/7.gif)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   

Guess you realize you're both in detention hall for a week, and you also have to run laps.  :D



Capt.

If'n I gotta run laps, it might be a week before I get to the detention hall!!  (http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/happy/7.gif)

If you can't run laps, you'll just have to sit still and let some good lookin' gal sit on your lap.  That'll show ya. >:(
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 02, 2005, 10:14:26 AM
(http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/disagree/2.gif)  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 02, 2005, 10:40:16 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 07:27:18 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 01, 2005, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 04:09:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 01, 2005, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 01, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Ciboleros
persons that hunt buffalo from horseback

Slim

Git ridda that scattergun and gitcha a Sharps. ;D  Gotta be more accurate than that. They hunted buffs horseback, allright, but were a unique group, and had a unique method of bringin 'em down .
with spears.  ;D

Slim

Slim!  Take the hint!  They were Mexicans hunting Buff on horseback with Sharps rifles ( not sharp sticks ???)
   

Guess you realize you're both in detention hall for a week, and you also have to run laps.  :D



Capt.

If'n I gotta run laps, it might be a week before I get to the detention hall!!  (http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/happy/7.gif)

If you can't run laps, you'll just have to sit still and let some good lookin' gal sit on your lap.  That'll show ya. >:(

(http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/agree/3.gif)  Just remember I'm a (http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/agree/28.gif)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 02, 2005, 11:01:50 PM
 ;D Uh oh, we're off to Tall Tales for sure now! :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 02, 2005, 11:18:29 PM
Jest caint git no respek 'round here no more. :'(
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 03, 2005, 10:52:38 AM
Ok

Back on topic, before banishment sets in:

got a halo gratis

Oklahoma rain

anti-godlin
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 11:35:15 AM
Oklahoma rain - dust or sand storm

anti-godlin - outta whack


Hate ta even think 'bout where ya pulled that other one out of  ;D.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 03, 2005, 11:51:04 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 11:35:15 AM
Oklahoma rain - dust or sand storm

anti-godlin - outta whack


Hate ta even think 'bout where ya pulled that other one out of  ;D.

Capt got two outta' three right!  :D

Would I try somethin' sneakeee?   :o ;D ::)
It really is a phrase I ran across.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 03, 2005, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 03, 2005, 10:52:38 AM
Ok

Back on topic, before banishment sets in:

got a halo gratis


Dern it, I thought that said something like "got halotosis" and was gonna guess bad breath!!

<There's good reasons why I don't play this game.... >

:D

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 12:10:55 PM
Sounds like a reference to someone who got killed without even trying.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 03, 2005, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 12:10:55 PM
Sounds like a reference to someone who got killed without even trying.

That about covers it, Capt.   ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 03, 2005, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 12:10:55 PM
Sounds like a reference to someone who got killed without even trying.

That about covers it, Capt.   ;D

That was a new one for me.  I think I like it.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 03, 2005, 04:26:41 PM
Horseback Billiards

Sink Tallow Whiskey

Gaboon
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 03, 2005, 09:56:14 PM
Horseback Billiards = Polo?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 06:42:16 AM
Quote from: Griff on August 03, 2005, 09:56:14 PM
Horseback Billiards = Polo?

Not polo.  You're trying to make this too hard.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 04, 2005, 11:35:08 AM
Gaboon = Sand or sawdust filled box in a saloon for ya'll ta spit in.  Kind' like a litter box for chew'n cowboys.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 11:51:37 AM
Bullseye!!! ;)

Saloon owners liked 'em 'cause they were much cheaper than brass spittoons or cuspidors, and the hep liked 'em 'cause they could be throwed away when full, 'stead of havin' ta empty an' clean the rascals. :P
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 12:54:50 PM
Movin' these two up, since they are from a previous page, and still unanswered:

Horseback Billiards

Sink Tallow Whiskey


The next one is all new.

cowboy change
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 04, 2005, 01:13:11 PM
Cowboy change=  Something we all fear????? ::) :oSeriously, these are above me at the moment, I'm just along for the ride......Buck 8) :o ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 04, 2005, 02:18:25 PM
Cowboy change: Could that be pocket lint, an indicator of how poor cowboys were?


???

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 02:18:25 PM
Cowboy change: Could that be pocket lint, an indicator of how poor cowboys were?


???

AnnieLee

Hadn't thought of that, but should have expected some lint pickin' from the fairer side of the aisle :D.  What we're lookin' for is something a bit more substntial than lint, and something with some monetary value that most every cowboy carried on his person and used occasionally.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 04, 2005, 02:39:13 PM
Cowboy change  =  using cartridges as change for smaller dominations of coins.  Much under a 50-cent piece wasn't readily available.  Not sure what the rate of exchange was, but I would say it took about six .38's to make up a good .45!

Horseback Billiards   =  Would have said polo or Argentine croquet, but could it have anything to do with which pocket your livelihood ended up in while riding on a particularly rough horse?   ::) ::) :o :o ::) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 04, 2005, 02:39:13 PM
Cowboy change  =  using cartridges as change for smaller dominations of coins.  Much under a 50-cent piece wasn't readily available.  Not sure what the rate of exchange was, but I would say it took about six .38's to make up a good .45!

Horseback Billiards   =  Would have said polo or Argentine croquet, but could it have anything to do with which pocket your livelihood ended up in while riding on a particularly rough horse?   ::) ::) :o :o ::) ::)


You got the Cowboy change right , Russ T.  Don't know what value was placed on each, but I think most of the cowboys carried them in a back pocket, and that's where the term "Get the lead outta yore (rear end)" originated ;).

Gonna go ahead and give ya'll Horsebck Billiards.  It was actually played on horseback in a saloon that had a billiard table, like most other such activities, for money.  Each shot had to be made from the saddle, and the table was at normal height, so it had to be pretty hard to line up a shot, and each player had to be pretty limber.   I also imagine a steady horse would be an asset.  Building had to have a pretty substantial floor, also.  I seem to vaguely member a western movie in which something similar transpired, and possibly a Remington or Russell painting, but not for sure.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 04, 2005, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 02:18:25 PM
Cowboy change: Could that be pocket lint, an indicator of how poor cowboys were?


???

AnnieLee

Hadn't thought of that, but should have expected some lint pickin' from the fairer side of the aisle :D.  What we're lookin' for is something a bit more substntial than lint, and something with some monetary value that most every cowboy carried on his person and used occasionally.

Ammunition?

<Takikng one more stab at it>

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 02:18:25 PM
Cowboy change: Could that be pocket lint, an indicator of how poor cowboys were?


???

AnnieLee

Hadn't thought of that, but should have expected some lint pickin' from the fairer side of the aisle :D.  What we're lookin' for is something a bit more substntial than lint, and something with some monetary value that most every cowboy carried on his person and used occasionally.

Ammunition?

<Takikng one more stab at it>

AnnieLee

Sure, enough, Annie, but Russ T beat you to it. :'(
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 04, 2005, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 04, 2005, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 04, 2005, 02:18:25 PM
Cowboy change: Could that be pocket lint, an indicator of how poor cowboys were?


???

AnnieLee

Hadn't thought of that, but should have expected some lint pickin' from the fairer side of the aisle :D.  What we're lookin' for is something a bit more substntial than lint, and something with some monetary value that most every cowboy carried on his person and used occasionally.

Ammunition?

<Takikng one more stab at it>

AnnieLee

Sure, enough, Annie, but Russ T beat you to it. :'(

Dagnabbit, those replies weren't there when I posted!

< Sniffles >

:'(

Finally got another one right and got beat by a four year old!

;)

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 04, 2005, 10:37:25 PM
Horseback Billiards dagnabit :-[; shoulda guessed that one.  LOLAL!!! ;D ;D  The one thing I always wanted to do was to ride my CMSA horse inta the saloon where my son was bartending; but the owner of said establishment tole me that no matter that I was a deputy, he drawed the line at wearing spurs and horseback riding in his establishment!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 04, 2005, 10:42:38 PM
Who would've thought that it was actually Literal! Ain't the English language wonderful?............Buck 8) ::) :o ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 06:59:13 AM
Everybody skeerd a Sink Tallow Whiskey? ???

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 07, 2005, 08:32:45 AM
Doesn't sound very appetizing there, Cap............Buck 8) ::) :-\
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 08:52:48 AM
Sink Tallow Whiskey - the good stuff.   Reputable saloons didn't water down their whiskey, and kept some tallow available to prove it.  Drop a small ball of tallow in watered down whiskey, and it'll float.  Dropped in "good stuff",  it'll sink.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 09:28:45 AM
If a hog farm was where they raised hogs, what was a hog ranch?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 07, 2005, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 09:28:45 AM
If a hog farm was where they raised hogs, what was a hog ranch?

'Twas a drinkin' establishment located near a military post, after the sale of booze was banned on post.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 02:03:33 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 07, 2005, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 09:28:45 AM
If a hog farm was where they raised hogs, what was a hog ranch?

'Twas a drinkin' establishment located near a military post, after the sale of booze was banned on post.

Correct, and most likely had a couple of dance partners of the more feminine persuasion ready an' willin' to stir up the sawdust with them soldier boys.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 07, 2005, 02:52:40 PM
blue stocking - has nothing to do with horses
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 07, 2005, 09:51:55 PM
Aw, dangit, I've read this one someplace!

Did it have anything to do with rich people, "blue bloods"?

???

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 08, 2005, 07:20:45 AM
Quote from: AnnieLee on August 07, 2005, 09:51:55 PM
Aw, dangit, I've read this one someplace!

Did it have anything to do with rich people, "blue bloods"?

???

AnnieLee

In a sense, because it refers specifically to "educated" women, and I'm sure that the vast majoriity at that time were from "good" families.  See below.

"The bluest blue stockings," Editor's Drawer, Harper's New Monthly Magazine, vol. 4 (May 1852), pp. 850-851
P. 850: The learned "science-women" of the day, the "deep, deep-blue stockings" of the time, are fairly hit off in the ensuing satirical sonnet:

I idolize the Ladies! They are fairies,

That spiritualize this world of ours;

From heavenly hot-beds most delightful flowers,

Or choice cream-cheeses from celestial dairies,

But learning, in its barbarous seminaries,

Gives the dear creatures many wretched hours,

And on their gossamer intellect sternly showers

SCIENCE, with all its horrid accessaries.

Now, seriously, the only things, I think,

In which young ladies should instructed be,

Are--stocking-mending, love, and cookery!--

Accomplishments that very soon will sink,

Since Fluxions now, and Sanscrit conversation,

Always form part of female education!


Something good in the way of inculcation may be educed from this rather biting sonnet. If woman so far forgets her "mission," as it is common to term it nowadays, as to choose those accomplishments whose only recommendation is that they are "the vogue," in preference to acquisitions which will fit her to be a better wife and mother, she becomes a fair subject for the shafts of the satirical censor."
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 08, 2005, 07:26:28 AM
HEAR! HEAR!
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 08, 2005, 07:36:45 AM
Quote from: Griff on August 08, 2005, 07:26:28 AM
HEAR! HEAR!

I'd be keerful, Griff, ya might just get thwhacked with Annie's hat if ya keep that up. ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Joyce (AnnieLee) on August 08, 2005, 11:07:49 AM
Naw, no hat there, either, but my reply would be lengthy and drag in the likes of Benjamin Franklin and his wife, worthy, perhaps of its own thread, but...

I'll just say that in many ways women of the frontier HAD to be as capable as the men in many areas in addition to those related to being a wife and mother. If she was not, she would probably perish.

AnnieLee
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 10, 2005, 09:58:39 PM
 ;D Can't disagree Annie, but foregoing one for the other isn't good either.  Heck, my Momma made sure I knew how to sew, cook & clean also. ::)  Ain't so sure she figured I'd never find a gal who'd do such fer me!! ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 10, 2005, 10:50:33 PM
Same here, Griff. I'm no stranger to domestic stuff myself......Buck 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 11, 2005, 10:08:04 AM
Here's a couple fer y'all.
Bazoo

Celestial


Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 11, 2005, 11:46:24 PM
Bazoo Ain't that some fancy musical instrument???? ;D ;D ;D

Celestial That'll be a heavenly body, er.... :-\ maybe an old west term for a person of oriental origins, generally chinese.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: Griff on August 11, 2005, 11:46:24 PM
Bazoo Ain't that some fancy musical instrument???? ;D ;D ;D

Celestial That'll be a heavenly body, er.... :-\ maybe an old west term for a person of oriental origins, generally chinese.
Ya got 1 of 2, Griff.
A Bassoon is a fancy musical instrument, not a Bazoo.  :D
Celestial is a person of Chinese descent. It derives from an old name for China, the "Celestial Empire."

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 12, 2005, 02:35:17 PM
Slim, ya fergot a Greek instrument, the Bazuki, sorta like a soprano guitar! Otherwise, don't have a clue to yer reference....Buck 8) ::) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 12, 2005, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)

Ain't that called a "bass"? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:57:09 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 12, 2005, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)

Ain't that called a "bass"? ;D

Only if'n it's nak'ed! :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)
Only if he's ridin' on his nawgun.  ::) Here's one usage of the word: "Shut your big bazoo."

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 12, 2005, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)
Only if he's ridin' on his nawgun.  ::) Here's one usage of the word: "Shut your big bazoo."

Slim

Was that directed at Russ T, or me ??? ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 12, 2005, 03:43:41 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 12, 2005, 02:44:24 PM
Slim

Would a Bazoo be a portion of a cowboy's anatomy that makes more contact with a horse's saddle than any other part?    ??? ::)
Only if he's ridin' on his nawgun.  ::) Here's one usage of the word: "Shut your big bazoo."

Slim

Was that directed at Russ T, or me ??? ;D
:-X ;)

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 13, 2005, 06:08:07 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 12, 2005, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: Griff on August 11, 2005, 11:46:24 PM
Bazoo Ain't that some fancy musical instrument???? ;D ;D ;D

Celestial That'll be a heavenly body, er.... :-\ maybe an old west term for a person of oriental origins, generally chinese.
Ya got 1 of 2, Griff.
A Bassoon is a fancy musical instrument, not a Bazoo.  :D
Celestial is a person of Chinese descent. It derives from an old name for China, the "Celestial Empire."

Slim


I'll take 1 fer 1, that first'un was jes funnin' ;D ;D ;D  I didna 'ave a clue mate! ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 13, 2005, 11:33:54 AM
Is Bazoo a Norse term for Bezeer? ::) ???  I vaguely remember Ike Clanton slapping the owner/bartender of the Oriental and sayin' somethin' to the effect of:  "See, all it takes is a good smack in the bezeer to get some respect around here"?  ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 14, 2005, 11:54:20 PM
Bazoo - Time for bed for this one.  Slim gave us too easy a clue:  can we say mouth! :D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 15, 2005, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Griff on August 14, 2005, 11:54:20 PM
Bazoo - Time for bed for this one.  Slim gave us too easy a clue:  can we say mouth! :D
2 for 2, Griff.  ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 18, 2005, 09:32:42 AM
How 'bout this these?
fire pony
hep


Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on August 18, 2005, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 18, 2005, 09:32:42 AM
How 'bout this these?
fire pony
hep


Slim

Hep

Would that be like "Hep me!  Hep me!  I'z stuck in quicksand"  ??? ::) ::) ;D

Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 18, 2005, 12:42:55 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on August 18, 2005, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 18, 2005, 09:32:42 AM
How 'bout this these?
fire pony
hep


Slim

Hep

Would that be like "Hep me!  Hep me!  I'z stuck in quicksand"  ??? ::) ::) ;D


Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Nope!

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 18, 2005, 12:56:51 PM
Fire pony= fast horse?............Buck 8) ::) :-\
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 18, 2005, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on August 18, 2005, 12:56:51 PM
Fire pony= fast horse?............Buck 8) ::) :-\
Nope, try again.
Both of these terms I got from an article written by a famous buff runner.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on August 18, 2005, 09:52:55 PM
Fire pony = pony you'd actually fire from

hep = Hop, as in Hep on up here. 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 19, 2005, 10:36:08 AM
We've had some good guesses here. I'll put them out of our misery.

QuoteI was just returning to camp when I thought I saw some low moving objects topping a hill rise beyond the horses. I had Mac's rifle along with a good 'scope, 10-power. I crawled to another hilltop, took a look through the 'scope. I made out two objects. The first was half a dozen bucks, crawling like snakes to a vantage point that would command our camp. The other was three bucks busily engaged in lashing a big quantity of grass and dry brush on the back of a miserable pony, just the other side of the hill, out of sight of our camp. At the time I didn't understand the pony business; but I knew that the crawling bucks were up to no good. I crawled down the hill, hotfooted it to camp, told McRae what I'd seen.

He was hep to the whole game.

"That's a fire pony," he explained. "They're going to set fire to the pony's load (grass), when it's dark enough, and drive it into our horse herd and stampede the whole bunch; then they'll pick off what they can of us."
From The Buffalo Harvest by Frank H. Mayer with Charles B. Roth

hep - a variant of hip. Keenly aware of or knowledgeable about the latest trends or developments.

Slim



Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:44:04 AM
Also short for this:

(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:A309cMxgpjIJ:images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976455411-1.jpg)
A Remington Hepburn.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 19, 2005, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:44:04 AM
Also short for this:

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:WYjkW9thHLMJ:www.nationalcowboymuseum)

A Remington Hepburn.
;D ;D ;D ;D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 19, 2005, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:44:04 AM
Also short for this:

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:WYjkW9thHLMJ:www.nationalcowboymuseum)

A Remington Hepburn.
;D ;D ;D ;D

Slim

Whatchew grinnin' 'bout?
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:51:19 AM
I ain't been postin' no "X" rated pitchures. :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 19, 2005, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on August 19, 2005, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 10:44:04 AM
Also short for this:

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:WYjkW9thHLMJ:www.nationalcowboymuseum)

A Remington Hepburn.
;D ;D ;D ;D

Slim

Whatchew grinnin' 'bout?
'Cuz I'd like ta own one and call it that.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 11:02:44 AM
You an' me too. ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on August 19, 2005, 12:30:13 PM
Got a friend on another board that has one. Beautiful piece.....Buck 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Capt. Hamp Cox on August 19, 2005, 12:41:33 PM
Pickin' up an original M1873 Springfield rifle from an ailin' friend tomorrow.  Finally gonna try my hand at BPCR.  Already have a contempory .45-70, so have the dies.  Also got Wolf's book on how to make one shoot like they were intended, with BP. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on August 19, 2005, 06:42:03 PM
Slim, that's an interesting story on the Fire pony.....
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 22, 2005, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: litl rooster on August 19, 2005, 06:42:03 PM
Slim, that's an interesting story on the Fire pony.....
I thought so too. It was the first time I had heard of such a thing being done.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: litl rooster on August 22, 2005, 07:33:59 PM
Well they claimed the Apache would ride them till they played out kill'em then eat them but, didn't know they'd cook them first.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Backstrap Bill on September 22, 2005, 09:33:28 PM
Can  any one tell me what "Slutting A Gut" means?

I found the phrase in a western novel written in 1954.  Context is, 'getting the wagon across that river was easier that slutting a gut'.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on September 23, 2005, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Backstrap Bill on September 22, 2005, 09:33:28 PM
Can  any one tell me what "Slutting A Gut" means?
I found the phrase in a western novel written in 1954.  Context is, 'getting the wagon across that river was easier that slutting a gut'.

If'n it was "Slitting a gut", it'd be fairly obvious.  I suspect that's what the author meant, but sometimes in those old typeset boxes (which were laid out like the typewriter keyboard), since the "u" and the "i" are right next to each other, the typesetter got it wrong, and the proofreader missed it.  Having family in the printing business, I found out this was much more common that is commonly known.  But... ya know what they say 'bout "assuming" ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: E.R.Beaumont on October 02, 2005, 04:48:36 PM
Pards, a quirley was a ciggarette, a hand made one as opposed to a taylor made,
Regards, Beaumont
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on October 06, 2005, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: E.R.Beaumont on October 02, 2005, 04:48:36 PM
Pards, a quirley was a ciggarette, a hand made one as opposed to a taylor made,
Regards, Beaumont

It'll also be used in reference to a cowpokes bedroll.  Sometimes, you gotta take the context into account.  So I'd have to say both answers are correct.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 15, 2005, 12:59:33 PM
"30 miles to water, 20 miles to wood, 10 miles to hell and I gone there for good." -- Carved on a deserted shack near Chadron,  Nebraska.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 15, 2005, 03:11:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 15, 2005, 12:59:33 PM
"30 miles to water, 20 miles to wood, 10 miles to hell and I gone there for good." -- Carved on a deserted shack near Chadron,  Nebraska.

Was ya'  tryin' ta get ta Del?  ??? ??? ::) ::) ???   He wasn't responding to cuff buttons either!!!! ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on November 15, 2005, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 15, 2005, 03:11:20 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek Slim on November 15, 2005, 12:59:33 PM
"30 miles to water, 20 miles to wood, 10 miles to hell and I gone there for good." -- Carved on a deserted shack near Chadron,  Nebraska.

Was ya'  tryin' ta get ta Del?  ??? ??? ::) ::) ???   He wasn't responding to cuff buttons either!!!! ::) ;D ;D ;D
Yep.  :D

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on November 20, 2005, 12:48:49 AM
Here's a couple I recently learned:
Slantindicular
Snollygoster
sockdologer
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on November 20, 2005, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: Griff on November 20, 2005, 12:48:49 AM
Here's a couple I recently learned:
Slantindicular
Snollygoster
sockdologer

Slantindicular   ---    slightly off plumb?
Snollygoster     ---    a disreputable person
Sockdologer     ---    the clincher on a deal or something that finalizes a decision
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on November 20, 2005, 06:01:40 PM
I believe Del's tied up at the moment and doesn't have access to the 'net...........Buck 8) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on November 20, 2005, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: Russ T Chambers on November 20, 2005, 10:45:13 AM

Slantindicular   ---    slightly off plumb?
Snollygoster     ---    a disreputable person
Sockdologer     ---    the clincher on a deal or something that finalizes a decision


Slantindicular   ---    slightly off plumb?                             Close, I'll give ya this one  slanted or distorted as in speech.
Snollygoster     ---    a disreputable person                       Yep, usually cast in regards to politicans  ;D
Sockdologer     ---    the clincher on a deal or something that finalizes a decision Nope

hey, two outta three is better than I usually come up with.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on November 21, 2005, 10:17:06 AM
Del will probably answer today (Mon) or tomorrow after being released once more from the Looney Bin.  Whoops, that was a Freudian slip, I guess.

Actually, he'll be released from the horse-pistol (hospital) later today.  He's been there since last Tue. or Wed.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on January 13, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
Been awhile since this thread has had some activity, so...

the Great Seize
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on January 13, 2006, 08:14:05 PM
You takin' over, Griff????? 8) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on January 13, 2006, 08:22:22 PM
Naw, but I just saw this in a book and thought... 'hmmm, there's an interesting addition to "Old West Words and Phrases".  Besides I've learned a lot and maybe this thread just needs a little kick in the follow-along :o
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on January 13, 2006, 09:03:34 PM
Okay. I haven't seen Hamp on here for quite awhile, hope he's okay....Buck 8) ::)
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Russ T Chambers on January 15, 2006, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: Griff on January 13, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
Been awhile since this thread has had some activity, so...

the Great Seize

The only thing that comes to mind is a humorous reference to a Sheriff as a "Great Seizer"! 
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on January 15, 2006, 08:16:09 PM
Boy, is it hard to get one by Russ T, or what.  Correct, again.
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on January 16, 2006, 10:52:48 AM
I watched Quigley Down Under the other day, in it Quigley says that he hoped that the kid would pee on Crazy Cora's dress. What would be the period correct slang for urinate?  ??? I don't have the answer, by the way.

Slim
Title: Re: Old West Words and Phrases
Post by: Griff on January 16, 2006, 03:05:52 PM
I don't know the answer either, but... if we can believe "Deadwood", pee isn't correct. :o

Also, American Heritage Dictionary shows that "piss" would have been in use as the vulgar slang of "to urinate".