Question about a holster and gun for DCOWS use

[joec]

Now first off I'm new to this stuff but do have some experience with Quick Draw decades ago before it became a national sport. Now I want to do the Quick Draw in addition to DCOWS and SASS stuff till I find out what I really want. So with that said here is my question on the holster. The one I'm looking at is this one http://www.rustedfables.com/Full-Rigs/The-Grizzly-Fighter.html now if that one isn't legal if I simply buy the holster which fits the same rig as shown here http://www.rustedfables.com/Holsters/The-Bear-Hunter-Holster.html. Now if neither of those will work please someone list a site in that price range or less that will work.

Now my second question is I own a Uberti Cattleman 5.5" barrel in 45 LC. I'm looking at a second gun by the same maker that is very much like it however I want it in 4" to 4.75" but is in birds head style grip. If that doesn't work then it will be either another like I have or get this one for other events. Oh and I am right handed with only a left eye so there is no left handed shooting for me so the second will be a cross draw setup using the right hand.

Thanks for some input on this as there are 3 groups I'm aware of in Kentucky. I live in Lexington now.

[jefff]

i got alot of stuff when i started out then found it didn't work well.why don't you come to shoot look around and ask questions before buying something that might not suit you.if you want to contact me i can loan stuff so that you can make a couple of shoots and figure out what works for you.jeff farmer #859-985-3232.i am in berea ky. and shoot with johnson co.rangers in shelbyville

[joec]

i got alot of stuff when i started out then found it didn't work well.why don't you come to shoot look around and ask questions before buying something that might not suit you.if you want to contact me i can loan stuff so that you can make a couple of shoots and figure out what works for you.jeff farmer #859-985-3232.i am in berea ky. and shoot with johnson co.rangers in shelbyville

Thanks Jeff however I do have the gun now with no holster and being tax return time... Well you get the idea on that. I still want to get a holster just for this group if that is what it will take but just trying to buy one fits all so perhaps it doesn't exist. I will give you a call this week end at your convince or you can contact me at 859-272-2301 (Handi Self Storage).

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[Yuma Kid]

Joec,
Anything from Wolfears Leather will meet NCOWS requirements for authenticity.
Yuma

http://www.wolfearsequipment.com/

[joec]

Joec,
Anything from Wolfears Leather will meet NCOWS requirements for authenticity.
Yuma

http://www.wolfearsequipment.com/

Thanks for the link and I saved it. I'm looking at one from here http://www.mernickleholsters.com/auth/aws1.html as well as this on from http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=CB-C&type=store&category=10100

[River City John]

Howdy joec,
Welcome to the NCOWS Forum.
I'll repeat my answer from your same question posted up in the Shooter's Meeting.


The notched belt and the exposed trigger guard will disqualify it for NCOWS. As a minimum, the front leading edge of the trigger guard must be captured by the leather.   
I think trying to pick a rig that advertises itself as designed specifically for Modern Fast Draw is at cross purposes with the philosophy of NCOWS.

I'd look into the work by Trailrider Leather, to be found here on CAS City. http://www.gunfighter.com/trailrider/tr_holster.html


(In addition, I'm sure you read the Birdhead is disallowed also, but plenty of shooting classes calling for only one revolver in NCOWS.)


RCJ

[joec]

Howdy joec,
Welcome to the NCOWS Forum.
I'll repeat my answer from your same question posted up in the Shooter's Meeting.


The notched belt and the exposed trigger guard will disqualify it for NCOWS. As a minimum, the front leading edge of the trigger guard must be captured by the leather.   
I think trying to pick a rig that advertises itself as designed specifically for Modern Fast Draw is at cross purposes with the philosophy of NCOWS.

I'd look into the work by Trailrider Leather, to be found here on CAS City. http://www.gunfighter.com/trailrider/tr_holster.html


(In addition, I'm sure you read the Birdhead is disallowed also, but plenty of shooting classes calling for only one revolver in NCOWS.)


RCJ

Thanks again RCJ and decided on one from here similar to the one you posted with this one being the least. This one by the way is the one I do like. http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=CB-C&type=store&category=10100

[Cliff Fendley]

I guess it's legal but to be 19th century correct the hammer tie down should not be there and the extra keeper on the belt that holds the big end is questionable. I've never seen an original that can be documented prior to 1900 that had those features. You can order a correct custom made rig from a maker for about the same cost and yours wont look like a hundred other peoples.

[joec]

I guess it's legal but to be 19th century correct the hammer tie down should not be there and the extra keeper on the belt that holds the big end is questionable. I've never seen an original that can be documented prior to 1900 that had those features. You can order a correct custom made rig from a maker for about the same cost and yours wont look like a hundred other peoples.

I wasn't aware a hammer loop wasn't considered normal. Extra keeper on the belt, not sure what that is? At any rate I will buy for now from the site you listed. Thanks for your responses though so I'll keep this holster for DCOWS and if I decide to shot some other organizations then I simply go with what can be used there I guess. At any rate I'm committed now to this group so will listen to any advise I can get. 

[RickB]

I got a nice rig (belt and holster) from Will Ghormley a long time ago. Here is his web site. He has made holsters and rigs for movies and yet he is very affordable. I just told him what holster I wanted it modeled after (he used the book packing iron as reference) and he made it for me.

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/

I do have one question for you though. Why do you keep calling it DCOWS when we are NCOWS?

[Tjackstephens]

What is DCOWS? Tj 

[joec]

I got a nice rig (belt and holster) from Will Ghormley a long time ago. Here is his web site. He has made holsters and rigs for movies and yet he is very affordable. I just told him what holster I wanted it modeled after (he used the book packing iron as reference) and he made it for me.

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/

I do have one question for you though. Why do you keep calling it DCOWS when we are NCOWS?

I keep asking myself that I do know it is NCOWS but for some reason I keep typing DCOWS. To be honest I have no idea why I keep doing it other than to say the on set of old timers disease as I don't even notice it when proofing what I write.   

[Cliff Fendley]

What I meant was the extra loop that the big part of the belt slides in that is supposed to keep the belt lined up. Most billeted belts of the 19th century were actually money belts that were usually very supple and fairly wide. I've never seen that on any belt that could be documented before about 1903. It seems most factory belts and many customs today are made with it but I never have a problem keeping it lined up without and never put it on one unless someone asks for it. I did do one a couple weeks ago but the rig was a circa 1920's style. I guess it's all in how accurate you want to be.

[joec]

What I meant was the extra loop that the big part of the belt slides in that is supposed to keep the belt lined up. Most billeted belts of the 19th century were actually money belts that were usually very supple and fairly wide. I've never seen that on any belt that could be documented before about 1903. It seems most factory belts and many customs today are made with it but I never have a problem keeping it lined up without and never put it on one unless someone asks for it. I did do one a couple weeks ago but the rig was a circa 1920's style. I guess it's all in how accurate you want to be.

I'm still not following but I will take your word for it. I figured it is similar two lower belt shown here on the left. http://www.willghormley-maker.com/Belts.html

Really just trying to learn the history is all and when things actually happened is all. 

[Cliff Fendley]

I understand, I'm always looking and trying to learn. See that loop that Will has riveted on the belt under the buckle for the other end of the belt to slide through? If you look at pre 1900 belts you don't see that. Probably because most were money belts and the money belts normally had a slot in the main body in that location for the billet to feed through before going into the buckle. This way it closes up the end of the belt so no valuables get lost. Here is a picture of my personal rig. In the first picture you can see the slot in the belt body for the billet to feed through and close the end.


That one is made from tracings and measurements of an original F.A. Meanea rig circa 1880's or 90's. That is as true to correct as you can get for a Cheyenne holster. The one stamp around the inside is not exact, the outer little flower stamp I had to make in order to get it as close to original as possible. This can be an addiction

[RickB]

No problem. Just wanted to ask cause it kinda made me laugh. Check out Will's page and see all the holsters and belt rigs he has made for some of today's best westerns. He is a local talent and I am proud to say I own one of his early works. My belt and holster are his design. I will be ordering some new items from him once my gain sharing check comes in I guarantee.

[St. George]

You may want to look over Wild Rose Trading Co., offerings, too.

Chuck Burrows makes outstanding gear.

www.wrtcleather.com

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Cliff Fendley]

Chuck Burrows is the master. His work is what inspired me to make period correct gun leather. I wanted a period correct rig and couldn't find any but his that were truly correct in every way. Not only could I not afford it at the time I didn't want to wait.

[Montana Slim]

I'd just like to add that authentically-syled gunleather doesn't have to equate to big $$.
I'm not going to bother listing any...they're all over the internet.

Regards,
Slim

[joec]

I bought the one I liked from here http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/Category.cgi?category=10100&type=store. This gives me something until I settle on a custom. Most of the customs that I've looked at and like cost 2 to 3 times as much as this whole thing did. I also bought some new boots and a hat. I bet I've had 25 hats in my life though none now go figure. While I was at it I order an outfit too. Thanks for the input guys and once I actually go to a meet I will then decide on what I like and want to spend more money on. This can get expensive I see too.