Author Topic: Time range for period correctness (Read 11371 times)

kflach · « **on:** August 24, 2009, 02:43:40 PM »

I know one of the goals of NCOWS is to be authentic. I know that certain guns were common within certain time periods. I own a '58 NMA.

I'm trying to figure out how long after the Civil War people would have been using this model so I can narrow down the time range and create a persona that fits within it. Somehow I don't think a character form 1885 would have used 1858 technology - unless perhaps it was a family heirloom.

For the record, I'm a Texan. There's no way I'm going to adopt the persona of a Yankee soldier in any time period.

Ranger Joe · « **Reply #1 on:** August 24, 2009, 02:49:32 PM »

I'm just a newbie to the whole western shooting scene, so I'm no expert, but I'd say that a lot depended on money, and how much of it your character would have had. I'd guess that it would have been perfectly possible for percussion revolvers like yours, or cartridge conversions of them to have been in use in 1885. In fact I'd hazard that they were more common than most of us realise today.

All the best.
Jeff

Daniel Nighteyes · « **Reply #2 on:** August 24, 2009, 03:37:17 PM »

I'm with Martini-Henry on this one.

Generally, folks shot what they could afford, or scrounge, or steal. In the years following the Civil War money was very hard to come by (particularly in the West and the South). So, as long as the pistol(s) kept on doing the job for them, there'd be little motivation for much more than improvements (such as cartridge conversions). Therefore, I'd expect to see NMA- and Colt-conversions in pretty regular use up until the turn of the century, and in some places maybe even later.

The above is my impression/opinion only. I'm sure others,who possess much more knowledge than I do, will chime in shortly.

I shoot a brace of well-worn NMA's with conversion cylinders, BTW.

Regards,

-- Nighteyes

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kflach · « **Reply #3 on:** August 24, 2009, 04:24:42 PM »

That's good news - it'll make it a lot easier to match PC with budget when I buy a rifle and upgrade my clothing.

Hmmmm. Shooting what you afford, scrounge or steal?

...It sounds like things haven't changed much in the last 100 years.

<grin>

p.s. DN, I love that knife!

Ottawa Creek Bill · « **Reply #4 on:** August 24, 2009, 07:12:14 PM »

Keep in mind that wild Bill Hickok used 1851 colt percussion revolvers well into the cartridge era...wasn't he killed in 1881? There is some evidence of southern back woodmen using flintlock muskets during the civil war, that is what they were comfortable with.

You need to pick a persona that in the 1880's would have been using the 1858 Remington.......and appropriate rifle....you wouldn't have been carrying a 1892 Winchester in 1880.

Bill

Delmonico · « **Reply #5 on:** August 24, 2009, 07:15:20 PM »

1876 Bill. Somewhere I've seen a picture of two guys and their six-shooters, one a swing-out cylinder S&W and the other one a 51 Colt Navy, but can't seem to find it when I want it.

Will Ketchum · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2009, 08:03:05 PM »

I believe it is in the book "The Women" of the Time Life Old West series there is a picture of a ranch woman with her horse. She has an 1851 Colt in her belt and is holding either a Wincheste 93 or 97.

Will Ketchum

Ottawa Creek Bill · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:11:18 PM »

Quote from: Will Ketchum on August 24, 2009, 08:03:05 PM

I believe it is in the book "The Women" of the Time Life Old West series there is a picture of a ranch woman with her horse. She has an 1851 Colt in her belt and is holding either a Wincheste 93 or 97.

Will Ketchum

Will...
With that array of fire power I would bet that is a posed photo with what ever was handy at the moment and not a good guide for what was being used.
Del.....
I wasn't sure as I am not a Hickok admirer. But 1876 is still well into the cartridge era.

Bill

kflach · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2009, 09:35:56 PM »

Maybe I could be a "dude" from 'back east' who took his inheritance, came out west, and got suckered into buying all the wrong stuff? <grin>

I'd have to figure out when those old 'dude ranches' I've read about were actually operating though...

Daniel Nighteyes · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2009, 10:41:15 PM »

Quote from: kflach on August 24, 2009, 04:24:42 PM

p.s. DN, I love that knife!

I picked it up at a gun show for about $35 including scabbard. Its too big for "everyday use"

but when I do wear it on my pistol belt it sure gets attention!

Delmonico · « **Reply #10 on:** August 24, 2009, 11:22:08 PM »

I'm guessing this on Will:

It's dated 1900 and is in Cherry County Nebraska up by Valentine and is one of Butcher's.

Steel Horse Bailey · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2009, 04:59:19 AM »

Quote from: Daniel Nighteyes on August 24, 2009, 10:41:15 PM

.... Its too big for "everyday use" but when I do wear it on my pistol belt it sure gets attention!

Too big?
Never!

I'd be proud to wear it - as I'm sure you are. $35 is one of the best deals I've heard about!

J.D. Yellowhammer · « **Reply #12 on:** August 25, 2009, 07:58:33 AM »

Quote from: Delmonico on August 24, 2009, 11:22:08 PM

I'm guessing this on Will:

It's dated 1900 and is in Cherry County Nebraska up by Valentine and is one of Butcher's.

Marry Me!!!

Oh, wait, I'm already married. Oh well....

(sorry fer the hijack. I was just moved by the beauty)

kflach · « **Reply #13 on:** August 25, 2009, 09:19:16 AM »

I sure hope J.D. is looking at the figure on the right...

I love big knifes! I have a 12 inch blade that I'd love to wear but it's not PC. Neither is my K-Bar. I'm hoping that I can figure a way to get a big Bowie - with a coffin handle - and make it go with my persona.

Will Ketchum · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2009, 09:32:52 AM »

That's the one Del. You seem to know a lot about Bucher's photos, did he use props very often? When I first saw the picture I wondered about the lack of a holster and wondered if it was reversed since she appears to be left handed. What material is her outfit made of?

Will Ketchum

Ottawa Creek Bill · « **Reply #15 on:** August 25, 2009, 11:52:05 AM »

Daniel.....that is one hell of a nice knife for $35.00!!

Bill

Daniel Nighteyes · « **Reply #16 on:** August 25, 2009, 02:41:38 PM »

Quote from: Ottawa Creek Bill on August 25, 2009, 11:52:05 AM

Daniel.....that is one hell of a nice knife for $35.00!!

Bill

That's why I grabbed it. It was probably made in India or somewhere like that, but still...

Delmonico · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2009, 05:04:31 PM »

Quote from: Will Ketchum on August 25, 2009, 09:32:52 AM

That's the one Del. You seem to know a lot about Bucher's photos, did he use props very often? When I first saw the picture I wondered about the lack of a holster and wondered if it was reversed since she appears to be left handed. What material is her outfit made of?

Will Ketchum

He did some, but not near as much as others. The top of the dress appears to be buttoned and looks right. I'm guessing the dress is light leather of some sort. I need to dig a bit and find out if there is more info on it.

Context of why she's dressed that way is a bit confusing.

Delmonico · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2009, 05:45:40 PM »

Found this on a Nebraska Studies Website for teachers:

Sadie Austin was a renowned rancher in Cherry County, Nebraska at the end of the 19th century. She rode astride a horse, instead of in the more lady-like side saddle mode, was a crack shot with a gun, and yet, was also a refined musician.

So it must be a work outfit.

River City John · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2009, 06:15:35 PM »

The surface texture looks more like what a fishskin oil slicker has,- a bit too crinkly and shiny overall for leather to me, unless the leather itself was treated for waterproofing like a slicker.
RCJ

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