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mike highgate

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The word 'shootist'.
« on: February 02, 2009, 02:32:11 PM »
Did the word 'shootist' exist in the 19th century? It sounds made-up to me - but I may be wrong.

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 02:48:21 PM »
Yes. Most assuredly it IS a 19th cent. word.

I believe it was either Clay Allison or John Wesley Hardin had a business card made up that touted themselves as a "Shootist".

I'm not sure of the above, though, so one of our more knowledgeable Pards will help me out.
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2009, 08:17:43 PM »
It was Clay Ellison.  He often referred to himself as "A Shootist".


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Re: The word 'shootist'.
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2009, 09:35:11 PM »
Robert Clay Allison

Ellison? Allison?  I get you guys all mixed up ;)

You know I knew it was "Allison" but I have just been hanging around you so long I just typed it wrong.

He was quite a study and a real head case.  Not someone you would want to be around when he was in his cups :o :o

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 02:57:29 AM »
Thanks guys. I'm happy to see the word has a history.

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 03:15:50 AM »
Now go look up the origins of "cowboy".  ;)

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 11:02:19 AM »
Now go look up the origins of "cowboy".  ;)


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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 12:12:12 PM »
Strange, how the word "Cowboys" in original context referred to cattle thieves, and later, "Rustler" was used.  There must have been some P.R. agent at work! ;D ::)
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 04:57:55 PM »
I believe the word "cowboy" was not penned until the 1890's. There are a few fleeting references to "cow boys" before that but the general term was "waddy" I believe. Jump in here if anyone knows different.

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 09:10:03 PM »
The word was used during the Rev. War by the British referring to the cow herders who attempted to drive the cattle from Long Island to prevent them falling into the British hands.  Failing in that, they stole cattle from the British in order to deprive them of any food.  The British called them "Cowboys".
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 09:39:56 PM »
I thought the term "cowboys" came along from when the first Texas herds made it to Kansas, the town folks asked if they were rowdies and one in his this South Texas drawl answered no Mam we are a bunch of "choirboys" and he was misunderstood to have said cowboys and the name stuck....... ;D

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 09:54:43 PM »
I thought the term "cowboys" came along from when the first Texas herds made it to Kansas, the town folks asked if they were rowdies and one in his this South Texas drawl answered no Mam we are a bunch of "choirboys" and he was misunderstood to have said cowboys and the name stuck....... ;D

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2009, 10:38:09 PM »
cow⋅boy
–noun 1. a man who herds and tends cattle on a ranch, esp. in the western U.S., and who traditionally goes about most of his work on horseback.
2. a man who exhibits the skills attributed to such cowboys, esp. in rodeos.
3. Chiefly Northeastern U.S. a reckless or speedy automobile driver.
4. Informal. a reckless or irresponsible person, esp. a show-off or one who undertakes a dangerous or sensitive task heedlessly: They put foreign policy in the hands of cowboys. 
5. (during the American Revolution) a member of a pro-British guerrilla band that operated between the American and British lines near New York City.
–verb (used without object) 6. to work as a cowboy.
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1715–25; cow 1 + boy
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »
Robert Andrew 'Clay' Allison born Sept. 2, 1840 near Waynesboro,TN. Severed in the Confederate Army. Was a scout and spy for Nathan Belford Forrest. After the war he and his family settled in the Brazo Valley of Texas. When asked what was his profession, his reply 'I am a SHOOTIST'. TJ
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2009, 10:43:13 AM »
I believe the word "cowboy" was not penned until the 1890's. There are a few fleeting references to "cow boys" before that but the general term was "waddy" I believe. Jump in here if anyone knows different.

There were many names used, including "drover", "ranch hand", "trail hand" and more.

(Some of my ancestors called 'em "targets.")    ;)

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2009, 06:19:46 PM »
For some reason I thought Teddy Roosevelt was responsible for re-popularizing the term 'cowboys' in general usage after he wrote about his experience ranching on the Northern plains.. . . . ??? :-\
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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2009, 09:06:15 PM »
Daniel,  We of the Cherokee, concur!  There were also other terms touted concerning these folks but none that I know can be printed.

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 01:09:15 AM »
Daniel,  We of the Cherokee, concur!  There were also other terms touted concerning these folks but none that I know can be printed.

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 02:51:34 PM »
I have read the term Cowboy, was originated in Old England, to mean young boys who herded cattle...

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Re: The word 'shootist'.
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2009, 06:18:04 PM »
"Somewhere" I read that the term originated in Ireland, or was it the West Country?  Cows were driven to market by drovers on foot  right from the "beginning", whenever that was.
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